another abuse gang
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freakybacon said:
A "no procesution deal??? I wonder how that works?? If its true, he is "only" a councillor. They may think they hold offices of high authority, but they dont really...La Liga said:
It's a tragic contrast to see the worst of the police - the lack of action until recently - and some of the best with the brilliant work put into these prosecutions. The middle-ranked officers leading these investigations are hopefully going to be the future leaders who keep 'vulnerability' at the top of the agenda for the future so nothing like this can occur again.
Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
If South Yorks police had focused on dealing with and preventing the crimes that were occurring in Rotherham then perhaps the mess wouldn't have happened in the first place.Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
Sam All said:
It is a given that the victims suffer. In addition law abiding citizens of the Pakistani community also suffer, including innocent taxi-drivers (plenty of them out there) and many other groups.
What are Imams saying about this subject when the community meet on Fridays?
The innocent local taxi drivers would only suffer because of narrow minded people like you. Do you think all Middle aged white women should also apologise? Surely this case is not doing their "community" much good either using your "logic".What are Imams saying about this subject when the community meet on Fridays?
Why does an Imam have any responsibility over some animals who clearly have no moral compass?
Anyone else you'd like to blame because XYZ?
Unhelpful.
anonymous said:
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Where does an atheist rapist get their beliefs from? Where did the (potentially complicit) police officers get theirs from, where did the 2 women in this case get theirs from? Etc etc. it's the fault of the perpetrators/facilitators of the crimes. Or should it be someone else's fault?As far as their disregard for women, you have noted that 2 women were involved? And as far as white women being the victims, you have noted that non white women were also victims?
This sort of analysis is just pure bigotry. By all means call a spade a spade, but that doesn't make every other garden tool a spade.
Followers of Islam are supposed to follow the Koran as well as the example of the prophet Muhammad. He married Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9. Muslims believe that this forms part of Sharia, which overrides the civil law of all countries.
Obviously Westernised Muslims try everything to brush this under the carpet, but the primitive, uneducated, barbaric Muslims who Blair and Mandleson mass imported into the country have no such qualms.
The same applies to forced marriage, honour crimes, female genital mutilation and much more utterly unacceptable behaviour. The leftie cultures of multiculturalism and diversity have actually encouraged this and Theresa May has done far too little, far too late to fix the problems. If immigrants don't want to integrate, accept Western liberalism, our laws and our way of life then they should be kicked out. There are many other countries where they would fit in better.
Obviously Westernised Muslims try everything to brush this under the carpet, but the primitive, uneducated, barbaric Muslims who Blair and Mandleson mass imported into the country have no such qualms.
The same applies to forced marriage, honour crimes, female genital mutilation and much more utterly unacceptable behaviour. The leftie cultures of multiculturalism and diversity have actually encouraged this and Theresa May has done far too little, far too late to fix the problems. If immigrants don't want to integrate, accept Western liberalism, our laws and our way of life then they should be kicked out. There are many other countries where they would fit in better.
anonymous said:
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No one is pretending there's not a problem. Perhaps explain why, let's say an English Imam has any responsibility? Why does every Pakistani man have a responsibility? The problem is with SOME Pakistani men. Perhaps have a read of some of the facts. Grooming in the UK is largely a Pakistani male problem. Paedophilia in the UK not involving grooming is mainly a crime committed by White men. Maybe you should be asking all men to take responsibility, or at least all White men for kiddy fiddling?
Adam Ansel said:
Followers of Islam are supposed to follow the Koran as well as the example of the prophet Muhammad. He married Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9. Muslims believe that this forms part of Sharia, which overrides the civil law of all countries.
Obviously Westernised Muslims try everything to brush this under the carpet, but the primitive, uneducated, barbaric Muslims who Blair and Mandleson mass imported into the country have no such qualms.
The same applies to forced marriage, honour crimes, female genital mutilation and much more utterly unacceptable behaviour. The leftie cultures of multiculturalism and diversity have actually encouraged this and Theresa May has done far too little, far too late to fix the problems. If immigrants don't want to integrate, accept Western liberalism, our laws and our way of life then they should be kicked out. There are many other countries where they would fit in better.
English kings of that era married girls of the same or younger age. That was relatively normal then.Obviously Westernised Muslims try everything to brush this under the carpet, but the primitive, uneducated, barbaric Muslims who Blair and Mandleson mass imported into the country have no such qualms.
The same applies to forced marriage, honour crimes, female genital mutilation and much more utterly unacceptable behaviour. The leftie cultures of multiculturalism and diversity have actually encouraged this and Theresa May has done far too little, far too late to fix the problems. If immigrants don't want to integrate, accept Western liberalism, our laws and our way of life then they should be kicked out. There are many other countries where they would fit in better.
Fgm is a major problem, but isn't exclusively a Muslim one. It's common amongst both Muslims and Christians in certain geographical areas
No one's denying there are problems with some followers of Islam (or those who claim to be, in the case of ISIS) but blaming that one group for all the problems of society achieves nothing, other than further reducing the likelihood of proper integration between cultures.
Adam Ansel said:
Followers of Islam are supposed to follow the Koran as well as the example of the prophet Muhammad. He married Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9. Muslims believe that this forms part of Sharia, which overrides the civil law of all countries.
Obviously Westernised Muslims try everything to brush this under the carpet, but the primitive, uneducated, barbaric Muslims who Blair and Mandleson mass imported into the country have no such qualms.
This is bull5hit. For several reasons. Firstly the "Muhammad married a 9 year old so all muslims think paedophilia is OK". This isn't something that muslims are generally taught so to suggest that has influenced the grooming gangs is pretty imbecilic. Secondly (as I've said before, repeatedly) what the grooming gangs have done is completely contrary to the main stuff that most muslim are taught at mosque i.e. don't drink, don't do drugs, don't have sex outside of marriage. That is certainly the main if not only thing I remember from my mosque classes. And yet people like you seem determined to prove that there ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY must be a link between what these perverts did and Islam, because it fits in with your personal prejudices. Thirdly, have a look at the age profile of those who have been convicted. They are either UK born and raised OR they'be been here since the 60's and 70's. It's got sweet foxtrot alpha to do with Blair and Brown and yet, again, you seem determined to twist the facts to suit your own bitter little agenda. Obviously Westernised Muslims try everything to brush this under the carpet, but the primitive, uneducated, barbaric Muslims who Blair and Mandleson mass imported into the country have no such qualms.
in the 70's and 80's it used to be scoutmasters who were the perverts du jour. It wasn't anything to do with scouting that turned them into paedophiles, it was simply a job that enabled them to get access to kids. Then, after that it was RC priests - again, it wasn't anything in catholicism that made them paedophiles, it was a job that enabled them access to kids. And the stuff about celebs such as Saville, harris, and Hall - there is nothing about being a celebrity that turns you into a pervert but it does tend to give you access to vulnerable females. Most of the grooming gangs seem to have been taxi drivers, drug dealers or other types of criminals. They had access to vulnerable girls whom they were able to abuse. It's as simple as that. It's got nothing to do with religion.
Adam Ansel said:
The same applies to forced marriage, honour crimes, female genital mutilation and much more utterly unacceptable behaviour. The leftie cultures of multiculturalism and diversity have actually encouraged this and Theresa May has done far too little, far too late to fix the problems. If immigrants don't want to integrate, accept Western liberalism, our laws and our way of life then they should be kicked out. There are many other countries where they would fit in better.
And yet more hairy sphericals. Forced marriage, honour crime, FGM have noting to do with islam or muslims. All 3 are cultural rather than religious, FGM especially is prevalent across North african communities but that doesn't fit in with your agenda, does it?anonymous said:
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Do you even know what straw man means?Where is this "significant proportion"? Can you prove a significant proportion of Pakistani men don't think "grooming and raping white girls, is a) filth or b) wrong"? Straw man, or facts?
Presumably you're not that fussed about non white girls from that comment?
Have a read of this. Type 2 paedophile gangs are exclusively white. Do you think all white men have a problem?
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-groo...
Alpinestars said:
Sam All said:
It is a given that the victims suffer. In addition law abiding citizens of the Pakistani community also suffer, including innocent taxi-drivers (plenty of them out there) and many other groups.
What are Imams saying about this subject when the community meet on Fridays?
The innocent local taxi drivers would only suffer because of narrow minded people like you. Do you think all Middle aged white women should also apologise? Surely this case is not doing their "community" much good either using your "logic".What are Imams saying about this subject when the community meet on Fridays?
Why does an Imam have any responsibility over some animals who clearly have no moral compass?
Anyone else you'd like to blame because XYZ?
Unhelpful.
How often have you heard Imams speak on this issue? And what has been the message that affects their flock far more than others?
community leaders are quick to attack anything they consider anti Muslim. I believe this is and unhelpful you find it necessary to "look over there".
Sam All said:
Your defence of your community is admirable. Ever wondered why other minority communities do not feature? And in that community, naive to believe far more did not know. Any self regulation going on in that well organised community.
How often have you heard Imams speak on this issue? And what has been the message that affects their flock far more than others?
community leaders are quick to attack anything they consider anti Muslim. I believe this is and unhelpful you find it necessary to "look over there".
Now if I were to tell you I'm English and not Muslim, would that blow a large hole in your bigoted views? How often have you heard Imams speak on this issue? And what has been the message that affects their flock far more than others?
community leaders are quick to attack anything they consider anti Muslim. I believe this is and unhelpful you find it necessary to "look over there".
Don't ever let facts get in the way.
The cousin of the Rotherham groomers "The root cause lies in the British Pakistani community itself. The sad truth is that for years some British Pakistanis have deliberately buried their heads in the sand about these predatory grooming gangs"
"From 2009 to 2011, out of 77 convictions for grooming, rape and other predatory sex crimes in the UK, no fewer than 67 involved Pakistani men"
"From 2009 to 2011, out of 77 convictions for grooming, rape and other predatory sex crimes in the UK, no fewer than 67 involved Pakistani men"
Enjoy the week-end. Sam All said:
Alpinestars said:
Sam All said:
It is a given that the victims suffer. In addition law abiding citizens of the Pakistani community also suffer, including innocent taxi-drivers (plenty of them out there) and many other groups.
What are Imams saying about this subject when the community meet on Fridays?
The innocent local taxi drivers would only suffer because of narrow minded people like you. Do you think all Middle aged white women should also apologise? Surely this case is not doing their "community" much good either using your "logic".What are Imams saying about this subject when the community meet on Fridays?
Why does an Imam have any responsibility over some animals who clearly have no moral compass?
Anyone else you'd like to blame because XYZ?
Unhelpful.
How often have you heard Imams speak on this issue? And what has been the message that affects their flock far more than others?
community leaders are quick to attack anything they consider anti Muslim. I believe this is and unhelpful you find it necessary to "look over there".
Isn't it more likely that these criminals don't actually have a strong faith (and so aren't overly bothered about breaking their religion's teachings). They probably only attended services ( if that is, they actually did - not seen reports either way) for social reasons - to be seen as 'good' members of their community.
. V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
It's a tragic contrast to see the worst of the police - the lack of action until recently - and some of the best with the brilliant work put into these prosecutions. The middle-ranked officers leading these investigations are hopefully going to be the future leaders who keep 'vulnerability' at the top of the agenda for the future so nothing like this can occur again.
Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
If South Yorks police had focused on dealing with and preventing the crimes that were occurring in Rotherham then perhaps the mess wouldn't have happened in the first place.Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
No excuse for not acting on information of abuse, but is a contributory factor and needs avoiding in the future. The move away towards performance being about 'vulnerabilities' is a much better step in the right direction.
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