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La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
It's a tragic contrast to see the worst of the police - the lack of action until recently - and some of the best with the brilliant work put into these prosecutions. The middle-ranked officers leading these investigations are hopefully going to be the future leaders who keep 'vulnerability' at the top of the agenda for the future so nothing like this can occur again.
Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
If South Yorks police had focused on dealing with and preventing the crimes that were occurring in Rotherham then perhaps the mess wouldn't have happened in the first place.Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
No excuse for not acting on information of abuse, but is a contributory factor and needs avoiding in the future. The move away towards performance being about 'vulnerabilities' is a much better step in the right direction.
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
It's a tragic contrast to see the worst of the police - the lack of action until recently - and some of the best with the brilliant work put into these prosecutions. The middle-ranked officers leading these investigations are hopefully going to be the future leaders who keep 'vulnerability' at the top of the agenda for the future so nothing like this can occur again.
Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
If South Yorks police had focused on dealing with and preventing the crimes that were occurring in Rotherham then perhaps the mess wouldn't have happened in the first place.Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
No excuse for not acting on information of abuse, but is a contributory factor and needs avoiding in the future. The move away towards performance being about 'vulnerabilities' is a much better step in the right direction.
What does the Constable's Oath say?
Where does police turning a blind eye to industrial scale child rape and exploitation sit with the College of Policing's Code of Ethics?
Is it the job of the police to protect the public and uphold the law or is it to get into politically correct, social engineering and group think?
'Future Leaders'? Someone's blue eyed boy or blue eyed girl that must be supported as if they're found to have done wrong or come up short it'll embarrass those that talent spotted them? It's a bit near to closing ranks to protect the police brand isn't it?
The police have lost their way as they've strayed from Peelian principles and the Constable's Oath. That's not the fault of the public.
Plod would not be happy if it was their daughters or sons raped and groomed for a teenage career as a prostitute but are happy for it to be done to the children of others?
Edited by carinaman on Sunday 28th February 08:36
So you have unpaid police volunteers and Specials putting themselves in harms way to help to protect their communities and socities while paid, sworn officers sit in meetings with Councillors and Council employees that want to excuse it and cover it up.
The police are getting criticised? Whose fault is it that that police in Rotherham failed to uphold the law and protect those vulnerable children?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220650/Vo...
And plod protected that Paedo for 20 years. And not an Asian or Muslim in sight. Possibly a few dodgy handshakes though.
The police are getting criticised? Whose fault is it that that police in Rotherham failed to uphold the law and protect those vulnerable children?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220650/Vo...
And plod protected that Paedo for 20 years. And not an Asian or Muslim in sight. Possibly a few dodgy handshakes though.
Edited by carinaman on Sunday 28th February 08:56
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
It's a tragic contrast to see the worst of the police - the lack of action until recently - and some of the best with the brilliant work put into these prosecutions. The middle-ranked officers leading these investigations are hopefully going to be the future leaders who keep 'vulnerability' at the top of the agenda for the future so nothing like this can occur again.
Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
If South Yorks police had focused on dealing with and preventing the crimes that were occurring in Rotherham then perhaps the mess wouldn't have happened in the first place.Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
No excuse for not acting on information of abuse, but is a contributory factor and needs avoiding in the future. The move away towards performance being about 'vulnerabilities' is a much better step in the right direction.
The rest falls within 'risk and vulnerability'. Mental health, missing people, domestic abuse etc etc. CSE falls within that umbrella. Not much consideration for those things in Peel's principles without some very creative interpretation. Things are going in the right direction.
La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
It's a tragic contrast to see the worst of the police - the lack of action until recently - and some of the best with the brilliant work put into these prosecutions. The middle-ranked officers leading these investigations are hopefully going to be the future leaders who keep 'vulnerability' at the top of the agenda for the future so nothing like this can occur again.
Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
If South Yorks police had focused on dealing with and preventing the crimes that were occurring in Rotherham then perhaps the mess wouldn't have happened in the first place.Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
No excuse for not acting on information of abuse, but is a contributory factor and needs avoiding in the future. The move away towards performance being about 'vulnerabilities' is a much better step in the right direction.
The rest falls within 'risk and vulnerability'. Mental health, missing people, domestic abuse etc etc. CSE falls within that umbrella. Not much consideration for those things in Peel's principles without some very creative interpretation. Things are going in the right direction.
freakybacon said:
We read about this all too often. Forgotten a few minutes later shoulders shrugged.Now if the roles were reversed and a daughter of one of the this taxi drivers had been assaulted .....we'd be hearing about it for a long while.
No doubt this is a hot topic at mosques across the country.
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
It's a tragic contrast to see the worst of the police - the lack of action until recently - and some of the best with the brilliant work put into these prosecutions. The middle-ranked officers leading these investigations are hopefully going to be the future leaders who keep 'vulnerability' at the top of the agenda for the future so nothing like this can occur again.
Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
If South Yorks police had focused on dealing with and preventing the crimes that were occurring in Rotherham then perhaps the mess wouldn't have happened in the first place.Hopefully the police, and more importantly the government, have buried the days of focusing just on crime and simple figures which has contributed to this mess.
No excuse for not acting on information of abuse, but is a contributory factor and needs avoiding in the future. The move away towards performance being about 'vulnerabilities' is a much better step in the right direction.
The rest falls within 'risk and vulnerability'. Mental health, missing people, domestic abuse etc etc. CSE falls within that umbrella. Not much consideration for those things in Peel's principles without some very creative interpretation. Things are going in the right direction.
Those paedo protecting plod won't be getting their comeuppance as quickly as Joe Public gets a NIP.
It's not the fault of the public if Plod have got their priorities wrong.
V8 Fettler said:
The criminal elements of domestic abuse and CSE should be prevented by the police, as per Peel's Principle #1
But you don't uncover / prevent it without significant time, work and effort in the, non-crime, 'softer' side of risk / vulnerability. If you use crime as the ultimate derivative, then take the strategy as a derivative of aiming to reduce crime. Digga said:
anonymous said:
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ISWYM but TBF it does appear that in the Rotherham case, a number of local police officers are within that group comitting the crimes.The anti-police authority stance comes from the investigations about the failings of the police and other authorities in Rotherham, such as the Jay report. The anger the public feel is justified as some of the failings were quite comprehensive.
The important aspect is how to continue and to move forward so it doesn't occur again. Now the difference is most people aren't able to take this constructive approach and would rather continually focus on what has occurred. All such attitudes do is hold-back progression and moving forward.
anonymous said:
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It does. But the way in which the police, social services and a raft of other people and organisations have seemingly turned a wilful blind eye to it is a problem worthy of discussion in itself. Whether due to incompetence and target driven policing (in the wider sense, social services and schools have a policing role here too) or due to manipulation and an over sensitivity to accusations of racism are very much part of the problem. If one lone vermin molests some children it is an unfortunate incident which will sometimes occur in any society, and be dealt with by any authority with some sort of interest in maintaining order.
When a large section of a particular demographic systematically molests thousands of children over decades and nobody does anything to stop it then it is a failing of society as a whole and in particularly of the people whose very role it is to stop such abuse. When they appear to have been actively ignoring it and even covering it up then it is a grotesque and unforgivable failure which deserves the harshest criticism, the most thorough investigation and the strongest sanctions for those who were negligent or malicious in their actions.
La Liga said:
Digga said:
Understood; IIPC says it is working to investigate 100 police officers.
Nothing proven yet, but nonetheless it does not look good.
You're quite right. It's likely there'll be some wrong-doing amongst that number.Nothing proven yet, but nonetheless it does not look good.
RobinOakapple said:
anonymous said:
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Because Carinaman. It's his raison d'être. They wouldn't let him join.The Council and the police in Rotherham didn't cover it up or look the other way?
Who raided the premises of Risky Business and removed evidence? Was that South Yorks. Police?
BBC News website said:
Panorama also spoke to Dr Angie Heal, who was employed by South Yorkshire Police to investigate drugs crime in 2003. She quickly identified links with sexual exploitation.
"It really didn't make any sense as to why there weren't major police operations that were being launched to investigate these issues," she said.
She wrote a report that pointed to a lack of convictions and named offenders, which was sent to senior police officers and council managers, but nothing happened.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi..."It really didn't make any sense as to why there weren't major police operations that were being launched to investigate these issues," she said.
She wrote a report that pointed to a lack of convictions and named offenders, which was sent to senior police officers and council managers, but nothing happened.
The police failed to do the job they signed up for because they were on the take?
Edited by carinaman on Monday 29th February 19:31
drivetrain said:
La Liga said:
he speculation some of the officers committed crime is just that since they are allegations the IPCC are looking into. Carinaman is unable to tell the difference but others should be able to.
The anti-police authority stance comes from the investigations about the failings of the police and other authorities in Rotherham, such as the Jay report. The anger the public feel is justified as some of the failings were quite comprehensive.
The important aspect is how to continue and to move forward so it doesn't occur again. Now the difference is most people aren't able to take this constructive approach and would rather continually focus on what has occurred. All such attitudes do is hold-back progression and moving forward.
I expect 'lessons will be learned' then.The anti-police authority stance comes from the investigations about the failings of the police and other authorities in Rotherham, such as the Jay report. The anger the public feel is justified as some of the failings were quite comprehensive.
The important aspect is how to continue and to move forward so it doesn't occur again. Now the difference is most people aren't able to take this constructive approach and would rather continually focus on what has occurred. All such attitudes do is hold-back progression and moving forward.
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