another abuse gang

[SKP555]

Just that the thread is about abuse gangs (or rings.) Maybe he was but the story linked doesn't seem to mention that aspect.

ETA: It's a horrible case and he seems like a vile individual who abused a position of trust and deserves the harshest sentence available. It just appears to be a different issue to the systematic gang abuse discussed in the rest of the thread.

Edited by SKP555 on Friday 4th November 20:43

[andymc]

rscott said:

andymc said:

rscott said:

Just popped up as breaking news on the BBC site - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wale...

well that'll cheer you up, they're not Pakistani Muslims for once

Maybe in your zcrewed up world. It just depresses me that another person abused the trust their position earned them.

you highlighted it as they aren't Muslim, nothing more nothing less

[anonymous-user]

It is quite clear he was part of a ring/gang.

[Countdown]

andymc said:

you highlighted it as they aren't Muslim, nothing more nothing less

Jesus wept. So fking what? Is it really that important that they are or aren't Muslim?

[rscott]

SKP555 said:

rscott said:

Just popped up as breaking news on the BBC site - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wale...

Doesn't seem to have been part of a gang, does he?

One of 9 charged following Operation Pallial, so there's obviously something going on there..

[anonymous-user]

rscott said:

One of 9 charged following Operation Pallial, so there's obviously something going on there..

People want to ignore that fact because it doesn't fit the message.

[Alpinestars]

Countdown said:

Jesus wept. So fking what? Is it really that important that they are or aren't Muslim?

Of course it is.

To some.

It makes one wonder (rhetorically) whether there is real concern for the victims of these heinous crimes, or whether the real game in town is the political capital made out of the demographic of the perpetrators.

[rscott]

andymc said:

rscott said:

andymc said:

rscott said:

Just popped up as breaking news on the BBC site - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wale...

well that'll cheer you up, they're not Pakistani Muslims for once

Maybe in your zcrewed up world. It just depresses me that another person abused the trust their position earned them.

you highlighted it as they aren't Muslim, nothing more nothing less

Er, I didn't even mention their religion. I simply included a link to the prosecution of someone for sexual offences. Someone who'd already received a libel layout for a similar accusation.

[grumbledoak]

The BBC can stick their "news" up their arse, but I assume it was this one:
http://www.policeprofessional.com/news.aspx?id=276...
We should throw him from Beachy Head. And his friends.

"Ooh look, a squirrel"

[Transmitter Man]

Digga said:

That's a big scalp and sends out a clear message - no one is going to evade justice. He can rot with the rest of them.

Digga,

Some would only consider him low to medium level scalp.

Not exactly top brass is he.

You know what I mean.

Phil

[WinstonWolf]

rscott said:

andymc said:

rscott said:

andymc said:

rscott said:

Just popped up as breaking news on the BBC site - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wale...

well that'll cheer you up, they're not Pakistani Muslims for once

Maybe in your zcrewed up world. It just depresses me that another person abused the trust their position earned them.

you highlighted it as they aren't Muslim, nothing more nothing less

Er, I didn't even mention their religion. I simply included a link to the prosecution of someone for sexual offences. Someone who'd already received a libel layout for a similar accusation.

Ooh look, a squirrel.

Well done, you've diverted attention away from the Rotherham groomers. Achievement unlocked.

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

Ooh look, a squirrel.

Well done, you've diverted attention away from the Rotherham groomers. Achievement unlocked.

Do you not think the fact that a police officer was found to be part of a paedophile ring could add something to the debate?

Could be part of the reason these gangs seems to have got away with it for so long.

[WinstonWolf]

desolate said:

WinstonWolf said:

Ooh look, a squirrel.

Well done, you've diverted attention away from the Rotherham groomers. Achievement unlocked.

Do you not think the fact that a police officer was found to be part of a paedophile ring could add something to the debate?

Could be part of the reason these gangs seems to have got away with it for so long.

I think fear of being thought to be un-PC is what allowed things to escalate. There are assholes in every society, none should be above criticism or investigation.

[Smiler.]

WinstonWolf said:

rscott said:

andymc said:

rscott said:

andymc said:

rscott said:

Just popped up as breaking news on the BBC site - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wale...

well that'll cheer you up, they're not Pakistani Muslims for once

Maybe in your zcrewed up world. It just depresses me that another person abused the trust their position earned them.

you highlighted it as they aren't Muslim, nothing more nothing less

Er, I didn't even mention their religion. I simply included a link to the prosecution of someone for sexual offences. Someone who'd already received a libel layout for a similar accusation.

Ooh look, a squirrel.

Well done, you've diverted attention away from the Rotherham groomers. Achievement unlocked.

To be fair to rscott, I didn't read anything into what he posted & how he posted it other than the explanation he gave.

It does add to the debate as not so long ago, the perp in question fitted the archetypal profile of a nonce.

Times have since changed.

What is further remarkable about this case is that he was successful in libel cases against multiple media outlets. Well, staggering actually.


I do acknowledge that some posters are instantaneous with the "whataboutism" strategy & it is indeed nauseating. I think one prolific poster of such has been barred from NP&E.

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

I think fear of being thought to be un-PC is what allowed things to escalate. There are assholes in every society, none should be above criticism or investigation.

I definitely think that contributed.
As did bent coppers.

[Alpinestars]

Majid Nawaz discussing this topic on LBC in a bit. I doubt any punches will be pulled.

[carinaman]

Transmitter Man said:

Digga said:

That's a big scalp and sends out a clear message - no one is going to evade justice. He can rot with the rest of them.

Digga,

Some would only consider him low to medium level scalp.

Not exactly top brass is he.

You know what I mean.

Phil

Haven't they said that's Operation Pallial completed. So they must have got every breathing paedophile that abused boys in care in North Wales mustn't they?

I wonder why they never investigated it before.

[Digga]

carinaman said:

Transmitter Man said:

Digga said:

That's a big scalp and sends out a clear message - no one is going to evade justice. He can rot with the rest of them.

Digga,

Some would only consider him low to medium level scalp.

Not exactly top brass is he.

You know what I mean.

Phil

Haven't they said that's Operation Pallial completed. So they must have got every breathing paedophile that abused boys in care in North Wales mustn't they?

I wonder why they never investigated it before.

Sadly, I guess you're right.

Whilst most abuse is conducted by those with relative power over their victims, the perversion of office and establishment is even more inexcusable in some regards, than the crimes of criminals and nobodies; these people most certainly knew better.

[del mar]

techiedave said:

del mar said:

I have written to both my MP and the Abuse inquiry website I made reference to above.

I asked my MP what they were doing about the increased number of Muslim grooming gangs.

I received a response from Sahara Newton MP for Safeguarding the Vulnerable, giving the usual waffle about;

"Race age and gender are irrelevant", in the instances on this thread I would say they most certainly are, but granted all grooming needs to be addressed.

She was unable to use the "M" word.

I also raised the same points as per my post above to the abuse site as to why they can say Catholic and Priest etc, but not the "M" word.

I have not yet had a response, i will post when i get it.

On the off chance it takes a while for you to get a response may I wish you a very Merry Christmas

I have had another response - this time from the IICSA.

I asked why their entire website threw up no hits for, Muslim, Islam, Pakistani etc, yet could mention all manner of other abuses.

The response was....

The usual nothing. It made reference to 13 lines of inquiry - which is too great hence people keep resigning, and the fact that the Chair is aware of Rotherham.

I don't see how you can fully investigate the causes of a problem and how to address it, if you cant actual mention it.

[carinaman]

del mar said:

I have had another response - this time from the IICSA.

I asked why their entire website threw up no hits for, Muslim, Islam, Pakistani etc, yet could mention all manner of other abuses.

The response was....

The usual nothing. It made reference to 13 lines of inquiry - which is too great hence people keep resigning, and the fact that the Chair is aware of Rotherham.

I don't see how you can fully investigate the causes of a problem and how to address it, if you cant actual mention it.

Same point made from 14 minutes 30 seconds in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cAVbJEx_ME

Relevance is MPs and Ministers doing nothing about a child sex abuse victim being incarcerated in solitary confinement without a trial for 7 months because they are not allowed to look at individual cases.

It reads like your dealings with Sarah Newton MP, a PPS at the Home Office, may be rather like trying to get an answer from Bob Neill, Chair of the Justice Committee that Keith Vaz MP is now on, when he's not on fact finding missions in Romania or Tunisia.

We've had the BBC breathlessly reporting more and more revelations about child sex abuse in Football by Football Coaches and how it's good for victims to come forward, but if you've been a victim of child sex abuse in the care system you can be put in prison without trial for not shutting up?

There's been an ongoing investigation into child sex offences in childrens homes in Nottinghamshire for about 6 years. The Detective Superintendent on the case, that's gained the trust of the victims has been pulled from the case due to some complaint by someone in the Council about a breach in a 'communication protocol'.

That Detective Superintendent being pulled from an historic child sex abuse investigation in Nottinghamshire could sound like former Detective Chief Inspector Clive Driscoll being pulled from a case looking at the child sexual exploitation of boys in childrens homes in London:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173883/Cr...

If children in Council children's homes in Nottinghamshire were being sexually abused, with some of the offenders abusing their position to have sex with vulnerable kids in children's homes how can the Council make any complaint about a police investigation into that? Seems like an obvious conflict of interest to me.

There are gangs of politicians, Council officials and police obfuscating historic child sex offences meanwhile the BBC is kicking Football and the FA for the same thing?

Councils trying to cover up historic child sex offences on their premises is like you or I not admitting fault when we've just had a prang on the road?:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31594120

Edited by carinaman on Friday 9th December 16:31