another abuse gang

[jas xjr]

WinstonWolf said:

But why are Pakistani's so over-represented?

Us whites have absolutely no problem denouncing rapists yet the Pakistani community appears to try and brush the problem under the carpet. That needs to change...

there seems to be a similar problem in the Pakistani community with drug dealing. nobody appears to condemn it from within. it just appears to be tolerated.

[PotatoSalad]

WinstonWolf said:

Tonberry said:

Alpinestars said:

Whilst the majority of child sex abuse in the UK is carried out by white men, gang abuse appears to be generally carried out by British men of Asian origin (generally, but not limited to, Pakistani origin).

There is a racist element that will cling on to these crimes and want to make political capital, let's not overlook that most of the victims are white girls, who I suspect are deliberately targeted because the perpetrators have little regard or respect for white girls - there's a huge amount of racism involved in the crimes.

The sentences in the Newcastle case don't appear to be long enough, unless I'm missing something.

And this is my point. It is deeply unfair and also damaging to attempt to link minority groups as the sole perpetrators of negative and/or criminal behaviour whilst overlooking or failing to draw enough emphasis on the fact that these behaviours are actually pravalent within all sections of society, regardless of ethnic group or religious persuasion.

To do so suggests an attempt to create a narative for certain sections of society which other groups with an agenda then exploit for their own gain. This in itself will do nothing except to further marginalise people and perpetuate the "us and them mentality". Britain First and the like take great pleasure in protesting outside Mosques and harassing Imaans in the street but I've never seen them confront a member of the Clergy.

I think we're all agreed that we as a society should be concentrating on the prevention of these crimes, wherever they pervade. If these crimes follow a pattern, e.g. choice of victim, then it should be highlighted and explored. I don't think anyone would see an issue there. But I can see why asian men who just so happen to be Muslim take offence to finding themselves under the suspicion of society when white men who are just as likely to offend don't carry the same baggage.

I know a fair few Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi men and woman, and I can tell you, they're all perfectly normal people and find these crimes just as abhorrent.

But why are Pakistani's so over-represented?

Us whites have absolutely no problem denouncing rapists yet the Pakistani community appears to try and brush the problem under the carpet. That needs to change...

My guess is on the firm belief that a man in his 50s sleeping with a 9yr old child is the only true prophet and following him can guarantee a fast track ticket to heaven.

[rscott]

PotatoSalad said:

Any sex scandal in the Catholic church is clearly called that on the news.

Hardly ever a sex scandal involving a gang of Muslims mentions the word Islam. Just like this time. It's always some vaguely named "abuse gang" of "minority background individuals".

Go away being ignorant somewhere else.

Edited by PotatoSalad on Thursday 10th August 13:19

Why are they a 'gang of Muslims', not a 'gang of Pakistani origin' ? Do we know if any/all were practising Muslims, or do you just make that assumption?

[Digga]

rscott said:

PotatoSalad said:

Any sex scandal in the Catholic church is clearly called that on the news.

Hardly ever a sex scandal involving a gang of Muslims mentions the word Islam. Just like this time. It's always some vaguely named "abuse gang" of "minority background individuals".

Go away being ignorant somewhere else.

Edited by PotatoSalad on Thursday 10th August 13:19

Why are they a 'gang of Muslims', not a 'gang of Pakistani origin' ? Do we know if any/all were practising Muslims, or do you just make that assumption?

Well, for a start, they were not all Pakistani.

As for being practicing or not, that's of less relevance than the general religious background; not too many Imams would overtly encourage abuse in any case. Even though there is a very high incidence of Muslim (background) perpetrators in these types of gang-grooming offences, it is still not, by any means prevalent.

[Sylvaforever]

rscott said:

Why are they a 'gang of Muslims', not a 'gang of Pakistani origin' ? Do we know if any/all were practising Muslims, or do you just make that assumption?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-40886658

"Former director of public prosecutions Lord Macdonald said there had been a reluctance in the past to investigate gangs from some Asian communities targeting vulnerable white girls.
"Some recognition that this is a problem" was needed, he said.
All communities needed to address it, "not pretending it's something else, not shying away from it, recognising it for what it is, which is profoundly racist crime", he said"

Sorry for edits tablet ...

Edited by Sylvaforever on Thursday 10th August 15:02

[PotatoSalad]

Sylvaforever said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-40886658

"Former director of public prosecutions Lord Macdonald said there had been a reluctance in the past to investigate gangs from some Asian communities targeting vulnerable white girls.
"Some recognition that this is a problem" was needed, he said.
All communities needed to address it, "not pretending it's something else, not shying away from it, recognising it for what it is, which is profoundly racist crime", he said"

Sorry for edits tablet ...

Edited by Sylvaforever on Thursday 10th August 15:02

Silly you, it's only racism when white people do it.

[Alpinestars]

PotatoSalad said:

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

Any sex scandal in the Catholic church is clearly called that on the news.

Hardly ever a sex scandal involving a gang of Muslims mentions the word Islam. Just like this time. It's always some vaguely named "abuse gang" of "minority background individuals".

Go away being ignorant somewhere else.

Edited by PotatoSalad on Thursday 10th August 13:19

You're comparing leaders of a faith, with people labelled as following a faith. You'd have to be pretty dense not to recognise the difference. The perpetrators are no more a Muslim than you or I. They are drug dealers, generally low life scum, racist, paedophiles. Call it out by all means, but don't use it to further your own prejudices.

[PotatoSalad]

Alpinestars said:

PotatoSalad said:

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

Any sex scandal in the Catholic church is clearly called that on the news.

Hardly ever a sex scandal involving a gang of Muslims mentions the word Islam. Just like this time. It's always some vaguely named "abuse gang" of "minority background individuals".

Go away being ignorant somewhere else.

Edited by PotatoSalad on Thursday 10th August 13:19

You're comparing leaders of a faith, with people labelled as following a faith. You'd have to be pretty dense not to recognise the difference. The perpetrators are no more a Muslim than you or I. They are drug dealers, generally low life scum, racist, paedophiles. Call it out by all means, but don't use it to further your own prejudices.

Well, most countries that follow the said faith seem to have serious issues with human rights, gender equality, freedom of speech, and are in general not places I'd move to. It's not a prejudice, it's a fact.

You're saying that following a brutal religious leader sleeping with little girls has no impact on those cultures and people?

[Alpinestars]

PotatoSalad said:

Alpinestars said:

PotatoSalad said:

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

Any sex scandal in the Catholic church is clearly called that on the news.

Hardly ever a sex scandal involving a gang of Muslims mentions the word Islam. Just like this time. It's always some vaguely named "abuse gang" of "minority background individuals".

Go away being ignorant somewhere else.

Edited by PotatoSalad on Thursday 10th August 13:19

You're comparing leaders of a faith, with people labelled as following a faith. You'd have to be pretty dense not to recognise the difference. The perpetrators are no more a Muslim than you or I. They are drug dealers, generally low life scum, racist, paedophiles. Call it out by all means, but don't use it to further your own prejudices.

Well, most countries that follow the said faith seem to have serious issues with human rights, gender equality, freedom of speech, and are in general not places I'd move to. It's not a prejudice, it's a fact.

You're saying that following a brutal religious leader sleeping with little girls has no impact on those cultures and people?

I think it's a thoroughly stupid comment. How many perpetrators have you ever seen cite that as the reason? How many prominent leaders have married what we now consider under aged girls, including many Monarchs, one of which married a 6 year old? Is this the excuse a British paedophile needs and uses to justify their sick behaviour?

[PotatoSalad]

Alpinestars said:

PotatoSalad said:

Alpinestars said:

PotatoSalad said:

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

Any sex scandal in the Catholic church is clearly called that on the news.

Hardly ever a sex scandal involving a gang of Muslims mentions the word Islam. Just like this time. It's always some vaguely named "abuse gang" of "minority background individuals".

Go away being ignorant somewhere else.

Edited by PotatoSalad on Thursday 10th August 13:19

You're comparing leaders of a faith, with people labelled as following a faith. You'd have to be pretty dense not to recognise the difference. The perpetrators are no more a Muslim than you or I. They are drug dealers, generally low life scum, racist, paedophiles. Call it out by all means, but don't use it to further your own prejudices.

Well, most countries that follow the said faith seem to have serious issues with human rights, gender equality, freedom of speech, and are in general not places I'd move to. It's not a prejudice, it's a fact.

You're saying that following a brutal religious leader sleeping with little girls has no impact on those cultures and people?

I think it's a thoroughly stupid comment. How many perpetrators have you ever seen cite that as the reason? How many prominent leaders have married what we now consider under aged girls, including many Monarchs, one of which married a 6 year old? Is this the excuse a British paedophile needs and uses to justify their sick behaviour?

Monarchs often married young girls but hardly ever consumed the marriage. It was common several centuries ago while many Muslims still arrange marriages for young girls today.

And how many British people pray to those monarchs several times a day and study their diaries extensively? How many Brits believe that Henry the 8th was a messenger of some omnipotent astral being and we should all follow his moral guidelines and way of life?

Not many I'd say.

[rscott]

Sylvaforever said:

rscott said:

Why are they a 'gang of Muslims', not a 'gang of Pakistani origin' ? Do we know if any/all were practising Muslims, or do you just make that assumption?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-40886658

"Former director of public prosecutions Lord Macdonald said there had been a reluctance in the past to investigate gangs from some Asian communities targeting vulnerable white girls.
"Some recognition that this is a problem" was needed, he said.
All communities needed to address it, "not pretending it's something else, not shying away from it, recognising it for what it is, which is profoundly racist crime", he said"

Sorry for edits tablet ...

Edited by Sylvaforever on Thursday 10th August 15:02

Serious question - what evidence/research can you supply that they carried out those disgusting crimes because of their Muslim background, not their Pakistani roots?
If it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .

[Alpinestars]

PotatoSalad said:

Alpinestars said:

PotatoSalad said:

Alpinestars said:

PotatoSalad said:

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

Any sex scandal in the Catholic church is clearly called that on the news.

Hardly ever a sex scandal involving a gang of Muslims mentions the word Islam. Just like this time. It's always some vaguely named "abuse gang" of "minority background individuals".

Go away being ignorant somewhere else.

Edited by PotatoSalad on Thursday 10th August 13:19

You're comparing leaders of a faith, with people labelled as following a faith. You'd have to be pretty dense not to recognise the difference. The perpetrators are no more a Muslim than you or I. They are drug dealers, generally low life scum, racist, paedophiles. Call it out by all means, but don't use it to further your own prejudices.

Well, most countries that follow the said faith seem to have serious issues with human rights, gender equality, freedom of speech, and are in general not places I'd move to. It's not a prejudice, it's a fact.

You're saying that following a brutal religious leader sleeping with little girls has no impact on those cultures and people?

I think it's a thoroughly stupid comment. How many perpetrators have you ever seen cite that as the reason? How many prominent leaders have married what we now consider under aged girls, including many Monarchs, one of which married a 6 year old? Is this the excuse a British paedophile needs and uses to justify their sick behaviour?

Monarchs often married young girls but hardly ever consumed the marriage. It was common several centuries ago while many Muslims still arrange marriages for young girls today.

And how many British people pray to those monarchs several times a day and study their diaries extensively? How many Brits believe that Henry the 8th was a messenger of some omnipotent astral being and we should all follow his moral guidelines and way of life?

Not many I'd say.

Sorry, but you're really conflating the issues - probably willfully. How many catholics go on to commit paedophilia because some of their leaders commit it?

[Pesty]

del mar said:

The article makes reference to several nationalities, it is not just Pakistanis, they are all muslim countries though....
That said Pakistan was the first modern country set up for Islam, due to their inability to separate state and religion I don't see how you can separate the culture from the religion.

It has always been accepted that culture is born or at least guided by religion. Every book or study on Europe or anywhere else this was always accepted as a given.

The only reason it's now suddenly separate well I'm sure you can imagine why these mental gymnastics are taking place.

Even Taking a fking live pipe bomb on a plane and you can still carry on flying and motives will never be known.

White girls are slags just for fking I've heard from hundreds of Muslims in various regions all thinking and saying the things as if learned by rote.
I've never heard a Jew,Sikh,Hindu,Buddhist etc etc at these things yet constantly heard it in factories in the mainlands and Lancashire. Heard in the street It was said to my face over and over.

But motives will never be known it's a fking mystery. We need columbo on this one.

Edited by Pesty on Thursday 10th August 18:06

[br d]

Alpinestars said:

I think it's a thoroughly stupid comment. How many perpetrators have you ever seen cite that as the reason? How many prominent leaders have married what we now consider under aged girls, including many Monarchs, one of which married a 6 year old? Is this the excuse a British paedophile needs and uses to justify their sick behaviour?

Well what you say is true, powerful men of all persuasions have indulged their twisted perversions for having sex with children throughout recorded history.

There is however a very large elephant in the room. Mo enjoyed his little indulgences with the full acceptance and compliance form the creator of the universe, the most powerful, all knowing, all merciful being to have ever existed.

I never understand this "Yeah, well Kings married young girls" nonsense. Yes they did but they hadn't been picked by god to be their representative in the universe.

The big point here is that apparently god himself thought that a fat 50 year old fking a child was just fine and dandy, this may have a teensy weensy bearing on the behaviour of some of these lovable rogues from his chosen people.

[Alpinestars]

br d said:

Alpinestars said:

I think it's a thoroughly stupid comment. How many perpetrators have you ever seen cite that as the reason? How many prominent leaders have married what we now consider under aged girls, including many Monarchs, one of which married a 6 year old? Is this the excuse a British paedophile needs and uses to justify their sick behaviour?

Well what you say is true, powerful men of all persuasions have indulged their twisted perversions for having sex with children throughout recorded history.

There is however a very large elephant in the room. Mo enjoyed his little indulgences with the full acceptance and compliance form the creator of the universe, the most powerful, all knowing, all merciful being to have ever existed.

I never understand this "Yeah, well Kings married young girls" nonsense. Yes they did but they hadn't been picked by god to be their representative in the universe.

The big point here is that apparently god himself thought that a fat 50 year old fking a child was just fine and dandy, this may have a teensy weensy bearing on the behaviour of some of these lovable rogues from his chosen people.

Do you have any evidence that this is a religious issue? Have any of the perpetrators ever justified it via religion? Given there seem to be so many of them, surely we'd have some evidence? Were they religious in your view, given they seem to be partial to drugs and alcohol as well?

Why is/was the issue so prevalent with Catholic Priests? Did their religion condone/command it? Or do you think it's down to sexual perversion, racism, cultural background and opportunism?

[br d]

Alpinestars said:

br d said:

Alpinestars said:

I think it's a thoroughly stupid comment. How many perpetrators have you ever seen cite that as the reason? How many prominent leaders have married what we now consider under aged girls, including many Monarchs, one of which married a 6 year old? Is this the excuse a British paedophile needs and uses to justify their sick behaviour?

Well what you say is true, powerful men of all persuasions have indulged their twisted perversions for having sex with children throughout recorded history.

There is however a very large elephant in the room. Mo enjoyed his little indulgences with the full acceptance and compliance form the creator of the universe, the most powerful, all knowing, all merciful being to have ever existed.

I never understand this "Yeah, well Kings married young girls" nonsense. Yes they did but they hadn't been picked by god to be their representative in the universe.

The big point here is that apparently god himself thought that a fat 50 year old fking a child was just fine and dandy, this may have a teensy weensy bearing on the behaviour of some of these lovable rogues from his chosen people.

Do you have any evidence that this is a religious issue? Have any of the perpetrators ever justified it via religion? Given there seem to be so many of them, surely we'd have some evidence? Were they religious in your view, given they seem to be partial to drugs and alcohol as well?

Why is/was the issue so prevalent with Catholic Priests? Did their religion condone/command it? Or do you think it's down to sexual perversion, racism, cultural background and opportunism?

I'm not getting into all the "racism" guff, you might as well divide people on the colour of their eyes it would be just as infantile. It's the religion. Can you imagine if along with all the other biblical doctrine that had come down through the christian tradition we had jesus fking children and the lord sanctioning it? Do you not think that would cast a slightly different hue on things for christians?

And it's worse than that anyway, far worse. Christianity is still largely mythological, there isn't any historical evidence that christ even existed whereas mohammed definitely did and he definitely fked children. You can ignore the ascending up to heaven on a winged horse and all that old cobblers at your leisure but he definitely fked children while god was watching. That has to cause ripples in the faithful.

[Boosted LS1]

Sheep, baaa. Another reason not to eat halal.

I think there's plenty of evidence that Jesus existed but he seemed to be a good bloke. Turn the other cheek and be nice to everybody was his ethos. The pervy bloke that islam admires wanted to kill everybody that wasn't a muslim or enslave them. If you weren't in his gang you were sub human. Charming bloke that he was. His folowers still think non followers are sub human. They don't touch your hand when giving out change at the shop.

Edited by Boosted LS1 on Thursday 10th August 20:19

[James_B]

WinstonWolf said:

Standard I'm afraid, every time one of these gangs are outed you just know someone is going to mention a squirrel rather than discuss the problem.

It's just bizarre. Another. Muslim rape gang is convicted and a set of useful idiots appear trying to make everyone look at something else.

Little children have been raped, systematically, in huge numbers, and some people come on here trying to divert attention.

What do they actually think that they are doing?

[Boosted LS1]

Shoving it under the carpet instead of accepting they have a cultural issue.

[James_B]

rscott said:

Serious question - what evidence/research can you supply that they carried out those disgusting crimes because of their Muslim background, not their Pakistani roots?
If it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .

Where the fk are you claiming that we have high areas of Indonesian immigration?

This just beggars belief.