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James_B said:
rscott said:
Serious question - what evidence/research can you supply that they carried out those disgusting crimes because of their Muslim background, not their Pakistani roots?
If it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
Where the fIf it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
k are you claiming that we have high areas of Indonesian immigration?This just beggars belief.
andymc said:
James_B said:
rscott said:
Serious question - what evidence/research can you supply that they carried out those disgusting crimes because of their Muslim background, not their Pakistani roots?
If it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
Where the fIf it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
k are you claiming that we have high areas of Indonesian immigration?This just beggars belief.
br d said:
Alpinestars said:
br d said:
Alpinestars said:
I think it's a thoroughly stupid comment. How many perpetrators have you ever seen cite that as the reason? How many prominent leaders have married what we now consider under aged girls, including many Monarchs, one of which married a 6 year old? Is this the excuse a British paedophile needs and uses to justify their sick behaviour?
Well what you say is true, powerful men of all persuasions have indulged their twisted perversions for having sex with children throughout recorded history.There is however a very large elephant in the room. Mo enjoyed his little indulgences with the full acceptance and compliance form the creator of the universe, the most powerful, all knowing, all merciful being to have ever existed.
I never understand this "Yeah, well Kings married young girls" nonsense. Yes they did but they hadn't been picked by god to be their representative in the universe.
The big point here is that apparently god himself thought that a fat 50 year old f
king a child was just fine and dandy, this may have a teensy weensy bearing on the behaviour of some of these lovable rogues from his chosen people.Why is/was the issue so prevalent with Catholic Priests? Did their religion condone/command it? Or do you think it's down to sexual perversion, racism, cultural background and opportunism?
king children and the lord sanctioning it? Do you not think that would cast a slightly different hue on things for christians?And it's worse than that anyway, far worse. Christianity is still largely mythological, there isn't any historical evidence that christ even existed whereas mohammed definitely did and he definitely f
ked children. You can ignore the ascending up to heaven on a winged horse and all that old cobblers at your leisure but he definitely fked children while god was watching. That has to cause ripples in the faithful.andymc said:
James_B said:
rscott said:
Serious question - what evidence/research can you supply that they carried out those disgusting crimes because of their Muslim background, not their Pakistani roots?
If it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
Where the fIf it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
k are you claiming that we have high areas of Indonesian immigration?This just beggars belief.
andymc said:
andymc said:
James_B said:
rscott said:
Serious question - what evidence/research can you supply that they carried out those disgusting crimes because of their Muslim background, not their Pakistani roots?
If it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
Where the fIf it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
k are you claiming that we have high areas of Indonesian immigration?This just beggars belief.
James_B said:
rscott said:
Serious question - what evidence/research can you supply that they carried out those disgusting crimes because of their Muslim background, not their Pakistani roots?
If it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
Where the fIf it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
k are you claiming that we have high areas of Indonesian immigration?This just beggars belief.
rscott said:
There are around 1.8 million in the Netherlands - any reports of similar crimes by those ?
So in a conversation about Muslim rape gang she in the U.K. You try to divert attention by talking about a community in the Netherlands?The answer is that I don't know, I don't read the Dutch press, as a matter of course. Now, as I've politely answered your question, will you answer mine?
When we have a vast number of Muslim rape gangs operating in the U.K. Then why, instead of condemning them, do you try to divert attention?
James_B said:
rscott said:
There are around 1.8 million in the Netherlands - any reports of similar crimes by those ?
So in a conversation about Muslim rape gang she in the U.K. You try to divert attention by talking about a community in the Netherlands?The answer is that I don't know, I don't read the Dutch press, as a matter of course. Now, as I've politely answered your question, will you answer mine?
When we have a vast number of Muslim rape gangs operating in the U.K. Then why, instead of condemning them, do you try to divert attention?
As others have said though, why only label them Muslim? Why not Pakistani (which is the origin of the vast majority of those convicted)?
Claiming they're doing it only because they're Muslims seems odd considering many were known drug/alcohol users which is against their faith..
rscott said:
James_B said:
rscott said:
There are around 1.8 million in the Netherlands - any reports of similar crimes by those ?
So in a conversation about Muslim rape gang she in the U.K. You try to divert attention by talking about a community in the Netherlands?The answer is that I don't know, I don't read the Dutch press, as a matter of course. Now, as I've politely answered your question, will you answer mine?
When we have a vast number of Muslim rape gangs operating in the U.K. Then why, instead of condemning them, do you try to divert attention?
As others have said though, why only label them Muslim? Why not Pakistani (which is the origin of the vast majority of those convicted)?
Claiming they're doing it only because they're Muslims seems odd considering many were known drug/alcohol users which is against their faith..
Shouldn't they be in fear of their lives having turned their backs?? or maybe, just maybe this "non practising" only counts when they are raping white girls???
Alpinestars said:
andymc said:
James_B said:
rscott said:
Serious question - what evidence/research can you supply that they carried out those disgusting crimes because of their Muslim background, not their Pakistani roots?
If it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
Where the fIf it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
k are you claiming that we have high areas of Indonesian immigration?This just beggars belief.
We deem it to be a Pakistani issue as we have a large Pakistani population.
Holland has suffered with loverboys for years in their Moroccan population, how can this be if it is only a Pakistani issue ?
Germany school girls were told to cover up when walking home from school, Germany has just taken in thousands of young Syrian men, not Pakistani.
No doubt France sees it in their Algerian population as well.
My geography may not be as good as some, but theses countries are several miles apart, but they are all muslim.
Their communities are just unhealthy places for your men. Their mothers and sisters walk around covered head to toe, they have probably never seen a muslim girls knee or shoulder. they are told that good women cover up.
I think it was redtrident who said his mosque said men should take note of what their women wear. Is it any wonder things go wrong when they are faced with young girls showing skin and commuting other horrendous sins like being out by themselves !!!
The religious controls with which their women live by can give young men a unusual picture of women.
It is not written in the book to rape young white girls, so not a direct part of Islam. But the controls they live by make it too easy for it to become a muslim issue.
br d said:
Alpinestars said:
I think it's a thoroughly stupid comment. How many perpetrators have you ever seen cite that as the reason? How many prominent leaders have married what we now consider under aged girls, including many Monarchs, one of which married a 6 year old? Is this the excuse a British paedophile needs and uses to justify their sick behaviour?
Well what you say is true, powerful men of all persuasions have indulged their twisted perversions for having sex with children throughout recorded history.There is however a very large elephant in the room. Mo enjoyed his little indulgences with the full acceptance and compliance form the creator of the universe, the most powerful, all knowing, all merciful being to have ever existed.
I never understand this "Yeah, well Kings married young girls" nonsense. Yes they did but they hadn't been picked by god to be their representative in the universe.
The big point here is that apparently god himself thought that a fat 50 year old f
king a child was just fine and dandy, this may have a teensy weensy bearing on the behaviour of some of these lovable rogues from his chosen people.However, and this is where the argument perhaps does become relevant; the lives and actions of these people have not been elevated to anything near the same cultural status - they are not exemplars of some dogma.
Clearly, most contemporary Muslims acknowledge this historic quirk for what it is - a practice that made some sense many centuries ago, but not in the present time - but perhaps some do see it in a different light?
del mar said:
Alpinestars said:
andymc said:
James_B said:
rscott said:
Serious question - what evidence/research can you supply that they carried out those disgusting crimes because of their Muslim background, not their Pakistani roots?
If it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
Where the fIf it's only because they're Muslims, why doesn't it appear to be happening in areas of high Indonesian settllement (for example) .
k are you claiming that we have high areas of Indonesian immigration?This just beggars belief.
rscott said:
I've condemned those who commit these disgusting crimes several times.
As others have said though, why only label them Muslim? Why not Pakistani (which is the origin of the vast majority of those convicted)?
Claiming they're doing it only because they're Muslims seems odd considering many were known drug/alcohol users which is against their faith..
We have had this before, possibly even said by yourself.As others have said though, why only label them Muslim? Why not Pakistani (which is the origin of the vast majority of those convicted)?
Claiming they're doing it only because they're Muslims seems odd considering many were known drug/alcohol users which is against their faith..
"You don't need to follow the book to the word, to be a good muslim"
They pick and choose the parts that work for their life, otherwise they would be killing non believers all over the place !
del mar said:
rscott said:
I've condemned those who commit these disgusting crimes several times.
As others have said though, why only label them Muslim? Why not Pakistani (which is the origin of the vast majority of those convicted)?
Claiming they're doing it only because they're Muslims seems odd considering many were known drug/alcohol users which is against their faith..
We have had this before, possibly even said by yourself.As others have said though, why only label them Muslim? Why not Pakistani (which is the origin of the vast majority of those convicted)?
Claiming they're doing it only because they're Muslims seems odd considering many were known drug/alcohol users which is against their faith..
"You don't need to follow the book to the word, to be a good muslim"
They pick and choose the parts that work for their life, otherwise they would be killing non believers all over the place !
del mar said:
No, if you read back through the thread there are Iran Iraq Turkey Syrians Somalians Kurds, how do you explain these if it is just a Pakistani issue ?
We deem it to be a Pakistani issue as we have a large Pakistani population.
Holland has suffered with loverboys for years in their Moroccan population, how can this be if it is only a Pakistani issue ?
Germany school girls were told to cover up when walking home from school, Germany has just taken in thousands of young Syrian men, not Pakistani.
No doubt France sees it in their Algerian population as well.
My geography may not be as good as some, but theses countries are several miles apart, but they are all muslim.
Their communities are just unhealthy places for your men. Their mothers and sisters walk around covered head to toe, they have probably never seen a muslim girls knee or shoulder. they are told that good women cover up.
I think it was redtrident who said his mosque said men should take note of what their women wear. Is it any wonder things go wrong when they are faced with young girls showing skin and commuting other horrendous sins like being out by themselves !!!
The religious controls with which their women live by can give young men a unusual picture of women.
It is not written in the book to rape young white girls, so not a direct part of Islam. But the controls they live by make it too easy for it to become a muslim issue.
And if YOU read the relevant post, they said "largely" a Pakistani issue, not exclusively, which your rant was predicated on.We deem it to be a Pakistani issue as we have a large Pakistani population.
Holland has suffered with loverboys for years in their Moroccan population, how can this be if it is only a Pakistani issue ?
Germany school girls were told to cover up when walking home from school, Germany has just taken in thousands of young Syrian men, not Pakistani.
No doubt France sees it in their Algerian population as well.
My geography may not be as good as some, but theses countries are several miles apart, but they are all muslim.
Their communities are just unhealthy places for your men. Their mothers and sisters walk around covered head to toe, they have probably never seen a muslim girls knee or shoulder. they are told that good women cover up.
I think it was redtrident who said his mosque said men should take note of what their women wear. Is it any wonder things go wrong when they are faced with young girls showing skin and commuting other horrendous sins like being out by themselves !!!
The religious controls with which their women live by can give young men a unusual picture of women.
It is not written in the book to rape young white girls, so not a direct part of Islam. But the controls they live by make it too easy for it to become a muslim issue.
Digga said:
br d said:
Alpinestars said:
I think it's a thoroughly stupid comment. How many perpetrators have you ever seen cite that as the reason? How many prominent leaders have married what we now consider under aged girls, including many Monarchs, one of which married a 6 year old? Is this the excuse a British paedophile needs and uses to justify their sick behaviour?
Well what you say is true, powerful men of all persuasions have indulged their twisted perversions for having sex with children throughout recorded history.There is however a very large elephant in the room. Mo enjoyed his little indulgences with the full acceptance and compliance form the creator of the universe, the most powerful, all knowing, all merciful being to have ever existed.
I never understand this "Yeah, well Kings married young girls" nonsense. Yes they did but they hadn't been picked by god to be their representative in the universe.
The big point here is that apparently god himself thought that a fat 50 year old f
king a child was just fine and dandy, this may have a teensy weensy bearing on the behaviour of some of these lovable rogues from his chosen people.However, and this is where the argument perhaps does become relevant; the lives and actions of these people have not been elevated to anything near the same cultural status - they are not exemplars of some dogma.
Clearly, most contemporary Muslims acknowledge this historic quirk for what it is - a practice that made some sense many centuries ago, but not in the present time - but perhaps some do see it in a different light?
The reason I raised it is that it's a thoroughly poor argument to say Mo married a 9 year old and that's the justification that the perpetrators use. They don't. There's zero evidence of that. It's put forward as an argument by those who harbour their own racism.
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