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Europa1 said:
del mar said:
No, if you read back through the thread there are Iran Iraq Turkey Syrians Somalians Kurds, how do you explain these if it is just a Pakistani issue ?
We deem it to be a Pakistani issue as we have a large Pakistani population.
Holland has suffered with loverboys for years in their Moroccan population, how can this be if it is only a Pakistani issue ?
Germany school girls were told to cover up when walking home from school, Germany has just taken in thousands of young Syrian men, not Pakistani.
No doubt France sees it in their Algerian population as well.
My geography may not be as good as some, but theses countries are several miles apart, but they are all muslim.
Their communities are just unhealthy places for your men. Their mothers and sisters walk around covered head to toe, they have probably never seen a muslim girls knee or shoulder. they are told that good women cover up.
I think it was redtrident who said his mosque said men should take note of what their women wear. Is it any wonder things go wrong when they are faced with young girls showing skin and commuting other horrendous sins like being out by themselves !!!
The religious controls with which their women live by can give young men a unusual picture of women.
It is not written in the book to rape young white girls, so not a direct part of Islam. But the controls they live by make it too easy for it to become a muslim issue.
And if YOU read the relevant post, they said "largely" a Pakistani issue, not exclusively, which your rant was predicated on.We deem it to be a Pakistani issue as we have a large Pakistani population.
Holland has suffered with loverboys for years in their Moroccan population, how can this be if it is only a Pakistani issue ?
Germany school girls were told to cover up when walking home from school, Germany has just taken in thousands of young Syrian men, not Pakistani.
No doubt France sees it in their Algerian population as well.
My geography may not be as good as some, but theses countries are several miles apart, but they are all muslim.
Their communities are just unhealthy places for your men. Their mothers and sisters walk around covered head to toe, they have probably never seen a muslim girls knee or shoulder. they are told that good women cover up.
I think it was redtrident who said his mosque said men should take note of what their women wear. Is it any wonder things go wrong when they are faced with young girls showing skin and commuting other horrendous sins like being out by themselves !!!
The religious controls with which their women live by can give young men a unusual picture of women.
It is not written in the book to rape young white girls, so not a direct part of Islam. But the controls they live by make it too easy for it to become a muslim issue.
The issue is cultural, racist in this case, and because of a lack of respect for women generally. It's pretty rife in the Indian sub continent, where most of the population are not Muslim, and where respect for women is generally very low compared to our British standards.
It's also interesting that Del makes a distinction between "good" Muslim women, but doesn't recognise that the perpetrators demonstrated no "Muslim" behaviour by drinking, drugs and rape. Using selective facts to argue a point. Often know as confirmation bias.
Alpinestars said:
The issue is cultural, racist in this case, and because of a lack of respect for women generally. It's pretty rife in the Indian sub continent, where most of the population are not Muslim, and where respect for women is generally very low compared to our British standards.
^This. For a single example, do a bit of research (if, of course, you don't know) about the problems Indian women experience on trains. In that region, it is not just a Muslim issue.scenario8 said:
An interesting discussion on Newsnight tonight. Being repeated right now on the BBC News channel. Although I appreciate the BBC and the media generally never talk about these things yadda yadda.
I saw some of it on Newsnight, and (jaded cynic that I am) was initially refreshed by Evan Davis' bold opening. However, most of the panellists then seemed to descend into a mixture of denial and deflection, so I switched channels.Europa1 said:
scenario8 said:
An interesting discussion on Newsnight tonight. Being repeated right now on the BBC News channel. Although I appreciate the BBC and the media generally never talk about these things yadda yadda.
I saw some of it on Newsnight, and (jaded cynic that I am) was initially refreshed by Evan Davis' bold opening. However, most of the panellists then seemed to descend into a mixture of denial and deflection, so I switched channels.Which bits didn't you like?
I was listening to R4 early evening news yesterday on my way home and there was a bod being interviewed (retired senior Policeman or some such) who basically said that the Newcastle convictions and others such as Rochdale/Derby/Oxford etc etc were in the main part a Pakistani Muslim issue. I have to say I was very surprised that he was as explicit as he was.
He went on to say that, aside from the blind eye being turned by the public services (fear of being branded racist etc) one of the reasons why there are so many of these guys and so many victims is that the wider community of families and friends who in many many cases actually knew what was a going on, did not come forward and report the offences because of some sort of "honour code" . Whilst you may not approve of your uncle Ali shagging a 12 year old white girl, apparently it is considered more important to preserve the honour and reputation of your family and your community rather than bring shame upon them by reporting the offences. How much truth there is in that I don't know, but it does seem to chime with comments made by more than a few posters over the years - posters who were almost always branded as racists for expressing such views.
He went on to say that, aside from the blind eye being turned by the public services (fear of being branded racist etc) one of the reasons why there are so many of these guys and so many victims is that the wider community of families and friends who in many many cases actually knew what was a going on, did not come forward and report the offences because of some sort of "honour code" . Whilst you may not approve of your uncle Ali shagging a 12 year old white girl, apparently it is considered more important to preserve the honour and reputation of your family and your community rather than bring shame upon them by reporting the offences. How much truth there is in that I don't know, but it does seem to chime with comments made by more than a few posters over the years - posters who were almost always branded as racists for expressing such views.
This article almost needs a thread to itself: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/10/abuse-t...
Trevor Phillips (yes, the often derided former chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission) finishes with this paragraph:
"If we are going to call a spade a spade, then we should do so without embarrassment. But our elites have replaced their old fear of being called racist with a new bogey. It comes to something when the BBC prefers to risk being condemned for racism than expose itself to the charge of Islamophobia."
The article is a Telegraph Premium article (one per week with a free account) - but it's worth signing up for.
Trevor Phillips (yes, the often derided former chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission) finishes with this paragraph:
"If we are going to call a spade a spade, then we should do so without embarrassment. But our elites have replaced their old fear of being called racist with a new bogey. It comes to something when the BBC prefers to risk being condemned for racism than expose itself to the charge of Islamophobia."
The article is a Telegraph Premium article (one per week with a free account) - but it's worth signing up for.
andymadmak said:
I was listening to R4 early evening news yesterday on my way home and there was a bod being interviewed (retired senior Policeman or some such) who basically said that the Newcastle convictions and others such as Rochdale/Derby/Oxford etc etc were in the main part a Pakistani Muslim issue. I have to say I was very surprised that he was as explicit as he was.
He went on to say that, aside from the blind eye being turned by the public services (fear of being branded racist etc) one of the reasons why there are so many of these guys and so many victims is that the wider community of families and friends who in many many cases actually knew what was a going on, did not come forward and report the offences because of some sort of "honour code" . Whilst you may not approve of your uncle Ali shagging a 12 year old white girl, apparently it is considered more important to preserve the honour and reputation of your family and your community rather than bring shame upon them by reporting the offences. How much truth there is in that I don't know, but it does seem to chime with comments made by more than a few posters over the years - posters who were almost always branded as racists for expressing such views.
Heard that too - thought it was very good interview with many decent points (including the one you mentioned).He went on to say that, aside from the blind eye being turned by the public services (fear of being branded racist etc) one of the reasons why there are so many of these guys and so many victims is that the wider community of families and friends who in many many cases actually knew what was a going on, did not come forward and report the offences because of some sort of "honour code" . Whilst you may not approve of your uncle Ali shagging a 12 year old white girl, apparently it is considered more important to preserve the honour and reputation of your family and your community rather than bring shame upon them by reporting the offences. How much truth there is in that I don't know, but it does seem to chime with comments made by more than a few posters over the years - posters who were almost always branded as racists for expressing such views.
What wasn't discussed was origin of the "honour code" - whether it was religious only (as some here seem to think) or a cultural issue as well/instead.
andymadmak said:
I was listening to R4 early evening news yesterday on my way home and there was a bod being interviewed (retired senior Policeman or some such) who basically said that the Newcastle convictions and others such as Rochdale/Derby/Oxford etc etc were in the main part a Pakistani Muslim issue. I have to say I was very surprised that he was as explicit as he was.
He went on to say that, aside from the blind eye being turned by the public services (fear of being branded racist etc) one of the reasons why there are so many of these guys and so many victims is that the wider community of families and friends who in many many cases actually knew what was a going on, did not come forward and report the offences because of some sort of "honour code" . Whilst you may not approve of your uncle Ali shagging a 12 year old white girl, apparently it is considered more important to preserve the honour and reputation of your family and your community rather than bring shame upon them by reporting the offences. How much truth there is in that I don't know, but it does seem to chime with comments made by more than a few posters over the years - posters who were almost always branded as racists for expressing such views.
There's no racism there. The honour code also applies to the asian girls who have been raped, c10% of the total that the gangs have raped AFAIK. But we don't hear about that as much, partly because it's apparently underreported/not publicised because it's seen as more important to maintain honour than to get justice. Again, this is a big Indian sub continent issue. It all arises from a lack of equality and respect for women. He went on to say that, aside from the blind eye being turned by the public services (fear of being branded racist etc) one of the reasons why there are so many of these guys and so many victims is that the wider community of families and friends who in many many cases actually knew what was a going on, did not come forward and report the offences because of some sort of "honour code" . Whilst you may not approve of your uncle Ali shagging a 12 year old white girl, apparently it is considered more important to preserve the honour and reputation of your family and your community rather than bring shame upon them by reporting the offences. How much truth there is in that I don't know, but it does seem to chime with comments made by more than a few posters over the years - posters who were almost always branded as racists for expressing such views.
Alpinestars said:
It's really not an argument I'd put forward per se. I highlight it because a) many leaders of churches/religion/country have in the past married what we now consider children, b) age is a temporal thing. No doubt there were many "child" marriages hundreds of years ago when life expectancy might have been in the 20s. It's easy to be contemporary about these things.
The reason I raised it is that it's a thoroughly poor argument to say Mo married a 9 year old and that's the justification that the perpetrators use. They don't. There's zero evidence of that. It's put forward as an argument by those who harbour their own racism.
If that last sentence was aimed at me Alpine then please put your accusations in a clear form straight at me please (if I have misinterpreted your meaning then apologies) The reason I raised it is that it's a thoroughly poor argument to say Mo married a 9 year old and that's the justification that the perpetrators use. They don't. There's zero evidence of that. It's put forward as an argument by those who harbour their own racism.
I certainly haven't said anything about justification, I have simply said that if your most holy prophet, the very source of your life's meaning and adoration is known for having sex with a 9 year old girl then that is bound to affect your thinking.
Surely Alpine you can't be suggesting that pious people are not influenced by the actions and utterances of their gods and prophets? That's the whole bloody point of it!
Anyway I don't offer proof, I don't have any, it's just my opinion, religion doesn't stand up well to reasoned analysis so looking for cut and dried conclusions would be pissing in the wind.
Alpinestars said:
There's no racism there. The honour code also applies to the asian girls who have been raped, c10% of the total that the gangs have raped AFAIK. But we don't hear about that as much, partly because it's apparently underreported/not publicised because it's seen as more important to maintain honour than to get justice. Again, this is a big Indian sub continent issue. It all arises from a lack of equality and respect for women.
Any links to the 10% figure? As you say it isn't a frequently heard aspect of the narrative presented. When the authorities and media have argued that this is not a race issue, one would have thought a stat like that would have been far wider reported to argue against the 'Asians attacking white girls' perception.
br d said:
Alpinestars said:
It's really not an argument I'd put forward per se. I highlight it because a) many leaders of churches/religion/country have in the past married what we now consider children, b) age is a temporal thing. No doubt there were many "child" marriages hundreds of years ago when life expectancy might have been in the 20s. It's easy to be contemporary about these things.
The reason I raised it is that it's a thoroughly poor argument to say Mo married a 9 year old and that's the justification that the perpetrators use. They don't. There's zero evidence of that. It's put forward as an argument by those who harbour their own racism.
If that last sentence was aimed at me Alpine then please put your accusations in a clear form straight at me please (if I have misinterpreted your meaning then apologies) The reason I raised it is that it's a thoroughly poor argument to say Mo married a 9 year old and that's the justification that the perpetrators use. They don't. There's zero evidence of that. It's put forward as an argument by those who harbour their own racism.
I certainly haven't said anything about justification, I have simply said that if your most holy prophet, the very source of your life's meaning and adoration is known for having sex with a 9 year old girl then that is bound to affect your thinking.
Surely Alpine you can't be suggesting that pious people are not influenced by the actions and utterances of their gods and prophets? That's the whole bloody point of it!
Anyway I don't offer proof, I don't have any, it's just my opinion, religion doesn't stand up well to reasoned analysis so looking for cut and dried conclusions would be pissing in the wind.
Justayellowbadge said:
Alpinestars said:
There's no racism there. The honour code also applies to the asian girls who have been raped, c10% of the total that the gangs have raped AFAIK. But we don't hear about that as much, partly because it's apparently underreported/not publicised because it's seen as more important to maintain honour than to get justice. Again, this is a big Indian sub continent issue. It all arises from a lack of equality and respect for women.
Any links to the 10% figure? As you say it isn't a frequently heard aspect of the narrative presented. When the authorities and media have argued that this is not a race issue, one would have thought a stat like that would have been far wider reported to argue against the 'Asians attacking white girls' perception.
file:///C:/Users/843591/Downloads/Independent_inquiry_CSE_in_Rotherham%20(2).pdf
anonymous said:
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Nope, do not appear to. In fact, WRT to Muslim grooming gangs, a Sikh school friend had explained the issue to me (it seems to me issue may have first began preying on Sikh girls, by abusers pretending themselves to be Sikh) way back in the late 80s. At the time his cousin (lovely girl) was seeing a local Muslim lad and he was not too happy because of stuff his cousins in Birmingham had been up against with grooming.In fact, the Sikh Council appear to have been earliest and most proactive in warning girls of the hazards.
I find it really astonishing and frightening how some people claim that worshipping an elderly warmonger shagging his prepubescent wife has absolutely no impact on his followers' attitude towards women and try to divert the attention away from this issue.
What's next? Defending nazi ideology because their leader's actions don't speak for the whole community? After all not all of them kill jews and disabled people.
What's next? Defending nazi ideology because their leader's actions don't speak for the whole community? After all not all of them kill jews and disabled people.
This does look like a case of reeling them all in gradually. Each case being used to hone the method of most effective prosecution.
I should be surprised but I guess im not surprised to see them sat about slack jawed awaiting arrest .
Maybe the upside of gambling on arrest in the UK trumps the downside of clearing off to somewhere with
awful tea making facilities.
I should be surprised but I guess im not surprised to see them sat about slack jawed awaiting arrest .
Maybe the upside of gambling on arrest in the UK trumps the downside of clearing off to somewhere with
awful tea making facilities.
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