another abuse gang

[Transmat]

andymadmak said:

Well, those determined to brand with the R word have today stepped things up a fair bit. I was called on my mobile just after 8.00am by an individual who refused to give his name, but who wanted to tell me I was a racist who spent all my time on Pistonheads attacking Muslims. He threatened to tell the Police and tell anybody involved in with my business that they were dealing with a dangerous racist ( his words)

So, 07500 705869 I just want you to know that your little abusive call will have cost you more than you imagined - I am on holiday in Italy!

What, they didn't even withhold their number?!?

How did they get yours?

[Transmat]

jshell said:

Of course not, and according to your statistics there should be more than 10 times the number of white grooming gangs than muslim gangs. Are there?

Your quoted statistics do not differentiate types of sexual criminality. I would suggest that there is a higher proportion of sexual assault & date rape offences within the white community - particularly given that demographics propensity for clubbing, binge drinking, drug taking and pub culture which is less prevalent in the muslim community for obvious reasons. If true would that leave a higher proportion of violent muslim grooming gangs beating, raping and trafficking children?

Does anyone feel that my asking the above makes me a racist, as I'd genuinely like to know if anyone takes it that way...

Oh dear lord.

I have no idea if there are 10 times as many grooming gags, they may be more or there am be less. But 1 gang of 5 groomers is not worse than 5 separate groomers is it?!? It's the same st different shovel.

It would be quite hard to determine the different types of sexual criminality, because there could be multiple factors, for example drink and drugs and grooming and inter family all in the same offence (as an example)

The quoted stats do show some breakdown though, including offences against a minor, which shows a HIGHER percentage of white offenders than the overall statistics.

[Mermaid]

Transmat said:

I have no idea if there are 10 times as many grooming gags, they may be more or there am be less. But 1 gang of 5 groomers is not worse than 5 separate groomers is it?!? It's the same st different shovel.

Not reported in the news so far, so less.

And there is a difference - snorting & peddling on a big scale.

[MX7]

Transmat, do you think there is no foundation for this thread then?

[M159V8]

Pesty said:

Yes of course they are brought up and taught Islam is the only way and perfect, anything else is against god and causes problems.

Well, not really. Tolerance and community cohesion, and working together is a huge, huge part of Islam.

Pesty said:

When you know that is the way some of them think its understandable that they believe it Wouldn't happen if we had sharia and lived by gods law.

Don't particularly want or think we need Sharia Law, however the fact of the matter is that this simply wouldn't have happened if Sharia Law was in place. Not that living in a country without Sharia is any reason to justify the atrocities committed.

[Pesty]

Simply wouldn't ave happened?

So there are no rapes in countries with sharia?

Edited by Pesty on Friday 28th June 21:35

[M159V8]

Pesty said:

Simply wouldn't ave happened?

A grooming gang operating to this extent and on a scale this large wouldn't have got as far as they have here, no.

Pesty said:

So there are no rapes in countries with sharia?

I wouldn't go that far

[smegmore]

Pesty said:

Simply wouldn't ave happened?

So there are no rapes in countries with sharia?

And what would be the punishment be for rape under sharia law?

...Exactly.

[M159V8]

smegmore said:

And what would be the punishment be for rape under sharia law?

...Exactly.

The punishment would be execution/death, however, only if 4 people witness actual penetration, for example, if four people saw a man on top of a woman it wouldn't be a strong enough case, all 4 have to testify that they witnessed penetration, and if any of the four witnesses is unreliable/has a 'dodgy' history then this is also taken into account. So the fact of the matter is, it rarely ever happens however it's still a large enough deterrent to stop people from raping and suchlike

ETA: Just realised, what I typed above is referring to adultery/fornication

However my point that one of the bases on which Sharia is formed is deterrence still stands

Edited by M159V8 on Friday 28th June 22:35

[Jessicus]

smegmore said:

And what would be the punishment be for rape under sharia law?

...Exactly.

The victim would likely be killed for allowing it to happen

[Mr_B]

With the sermon also came a reinforcement of values of no sex before marriage etc etc and lots of views about western values regarding attitudes towards sex.
Sadly, some of these men seem like the most sexually repressed people on the planet, and frankly, in dire need of a blow job - just not from forcing a 12 year old do it under threat of being beaten or drugged.

I don't imagine many of those arrested and jailed were down at the Mosque on a Friday. They were probably brought up with such backward views and many which are just so far out of touch with living in the UK today though.

[AnonSpoilSport]

Skinley said:

andymadmak said:

Well, those determined to brand with the R word have today stepped things up a fair bit. I was called on my mobile just after 8.00am by an individual who refused to give his name, but who wanted to tell me I was a racist who spent all my time on Pistonheads attacking Muslims. He threatened to tell the Police and tell anybody involved in with my business that they were dealing with a dangerous racist ( his words)

So, 07500 705869 I just want you to know that your little abusive call will have cost you more than you imagined - I am on holiday in Italy!

How pathetic, report the tt to the police.

Given previous PH sleuthing abilities I'd expect someone on here might end up being able to trace that tt. Wonder if it's a poster on here - if so you should have the balls to show yourself - or a lurker, or someone pt on to the site/thread by someone else?

[Silent1]

AnonSpoilSport said:

Skinley said:

andymadmak said:

Well, those determined to brand with the R word have today stepped things up a fair bit. I was called on my mobile just after 8.00am by an individual who refused to give his name, but who wanted to tell me I was a racist who spent all my time on Pistonheads attacking Muslims. He threatened to tell the Police and tell anybody involved in with my business that they were dealing with a dangerous racist ( his words)

So, 07500 705869 I just want you to know that your little abusive call will have cost you more than you imagined - I am on holiday in Italy!

How pathetic, report the tt to the police.

Given previous PH sleuthing abilities I'd expect someone on here might end up being able to trace that tt. Wonder if it's a poster on here - if so you should have the balls to show yourself - or a lurker, or someone pt on to the site/thread by someone else?

I'm working on it.

[WinstonWolf]

Silent1 said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

Skinley said:

andymadmak said:

Well, those determined to brand with the R word have today stepped things up a fair bit. I was called on my mobile just after 8.00am by an individual who refused to give his name, but who wanted to tell me I was a racist who spent all my time on Pistonheads attacking Muslims. He threatened to tell the Police and tell anybody involved in with my business that they were dealing with a dangerous racist ( his words)

So, 07500 705869 I just want you to know that your little abusive call will have cost you more than you imagined - I am on holiday in Italy!

How pathetic, report the tt to the police.

Given previous PH sleuthing abilities I'd expect someone on here might end up being able to trace that tt. Wonder if it's a poster on here - if so you should have the balls to show yourself - or a lurker, or someone pt on to the site/thread by someone else?

I'm working on it.

Release the PH hounds

[andymadmak]

Sorry been off line. Dont worry about my little stalker. He does not worry me! He probably got my number from my profile which links through to an old business of mine.
The point is, I am sure he thought he was saying something I should be worried by, but he just sounded silly.
It is certainly someone from one of these threads, he mentioned PH specifically.
And yes, he was silly enough to allow his number to be seen!
Come out, come out, whoever you are!

[jas xjr]

andymadmak said:

Sorry been off line. Dont worry about my little stalker. He does not worry me! He probably got my number from my profile which links through to an old business of mine.
The point is, I am sure he thought he was saying something I should be worried by, but he just sounded silly.
It is certainly someone from one of these threads, he mentioned PH specifically.
And yes, he was silly enough to allow his number to be seen!
Come out, come out, whoever you are!

does what he has done , re the phone call , constitute as some kind of hate crime ?

[Transmat]

Mermaid said:

Not reported in the news so far, so less.

And there is a difference - snorting & peddling on a big scale.

Wrong!

I put links up for news articles where it has happened before with white gangs. Do you not remember the nursery school cases for a start? That was a ring with paedos from different parts of the country.

[WinstonWolf]

Transmat said:

Mermaid said:

Not reported in the news so far, so less.

And there is a difference - snorting & peddling on a big scale.

Wrong!

I put links up for news articles where it has happened before with white gangs. Do you not remember the nursery school cases for a start? That was a ring with paedos from different parts of the country.

So does that excuse these Muslim gangs then?

[M159V8]

WinstonWolf said:

So does that excuse these Muslim gangs then?

Nothing excuses any example of this type of crime, no matter what religious or ethnic background the offenders are from.

[Transmat]

WinstonWolf said:

So does that excuse these Muslim gangs then?

Come again?

That's a bit like saying do these Muslim gangs excuse the white gangs. Which is obviously not the case as I've just posted links to white gangs too. Of course it doesn't you fool.

Just out of interest do you find one worse than the other?