another abuse gang
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TTwiggy said:
scenario8 said:
I absolutely agree that there is a problem with a culture of indifference towards young people (often white, usually female) within distinct non-indigenous groups (for want of a better description) that has been discussed many times both here and in wider judicial and quasi-judicial circles. I'm not going to dismiss that in the slightest. What I personally find at least as interesting is a more general deterioration of morals or empathy amongst young people not in geographic areas containing high concentrations of muslim/Pakistani subcultures. I have read reports and spoken anecdotally with teacher and health profession friends who talk about young men who somehow or other have developed grotesque perceptions of womens' roles and men's rights in a sexual context and (perhaps equally alarming) young females' distorted and hugely reduced views on their own rights within sexualised relationships (both consensual and otherwise).
All very worrying.
I am concerned that we have taken huge strides backwards in recent years with respect to how 'sex' is represented.All very worrying.
I hate to jump on the 'blame celebrity culture' bandwagon, but it does seem that almost every famous role model for young women is only in the position they are due to an overly-secxualised persona they foster. From Miley twerking to the various sex tapes, it seems that women believe that the only way to be validated is to gyrate around in as little as possible. Then there's the cross-over of porn into mainstream media and fashion. And when you get the likes of Beyonce seeking to redefine feminism as 'bootylisciousness' you know you're on a hiding to nothing.
The flip side is men with absolutely no respect for women. You don't have to stray far on this site to come across plenty of examples of casual misogyny ('kick her back doors in', 'snakes with tits' etc, etc). And this from supposedly middle-class, mildly affluent, largely middle-aged well-educated professionals.
WinstonWolf said:
TTwiggy said:
scenario8 said:
I absolutely agree that there is a problem with a culture of indifference towards young people (often white, usually female) within distinct non-indigenous groups (for want of a better description) that has been discussed many times both here and in wider judicial and quasi-judicial circles. I'm not going to dismiss that in the slightest. What I personally find at least as interesting is a more general deterioration of morals or empathy amongst young people not in geographic areas containing high concentrations of muslim/Pakistani subcultures. I have read reports and spoken anecdotally with teacher and health profession friends who talk about young men who somehow or other have developed grotesque perceptions of womens' roles and men's rights in a sexual context and (perhaps equally alarming) young females' distorted and hugely reduced views on their own rights within sexualised relationships (both consensual and otherwise).
All very worrying.
I am concerned that we have taken huge strides backwards in recent years with respect to how 'sex' is represented.All very worrying.
I hate to jump on the 'blame celebrity culture' bandwagon, but it does seem that almost every famous role model for young women is only in the position they are due to an overly-secxualised persona they foster. From Miley twerking to the various sex tapes, it seems that women believe that the only way to be validated is to gyrate around in as little as possible. Then there's the cross-over of porn into mainstream media and fashion. And when you get the likes of Beyonce seeking to redefine feminism as 'bootylisciousness' you know you're on a hiding to nothing.
The flip side is men with absolutely no respect for women. You don't have to stray far on this site to come across plenty of examples of casual misogyny ('kick her back doors in', 'snakes with tits' etc, etc). And this from supposedly middle-class, mildly affluent, largely middle-aged well-educated professionals.
tloads of sex offences outside of the gang type offences covered in this thread. I don't deny in any way there is a real problem with some/many men from Pakistani-heritage and Muslim subcultures and this element concerns me greatly but their terrible offences are only a small part of the totality of sex offences in this country. Sadly there are abused women and young people up and down the land whose crimes have nothing to do with these gangs. I'd like to think we remember this is a pretty large and complicated subject. For a number of reasons (not all of which are particularly pleasant) I have an interest in this broad subject and wouldn't want us to forget that sex crimes manifest themselves in all sorts of ways. I appreciate the broad thrust of this thread, however, is about sex gangs.FiF said:
I have written about the appalling situation in Rotherham before in this thread and others.
It's important to note that the situation today in SYP is not the same, indeed they were praised for their tenacity in a 2007 investigation.
At the risk of starting it all again there are other parts of the community who need to answer some serious questions. Not just local government and police, but for example taxi drivers. That is a notifiable occupation and it's clear they were fully cognisant of, willing participants in and facilitators for the abuse.
It's important to note that the situation today in SYP is not the same, indeed they were praised for their tenacity in a 2007 investigation.
At the risk of starting it all again there are other parts of the community who need to answer some serious questions. Not just local government and police, but for example taxi drivers. That is a notifiable occupation and it's clear they were fully cognisant of, willing participants in and facilitators for the abuse.
Nom de ploom said:
Digga said:
Sadly, and understandably, what happened to the mines and miners has created an easily abused single party system.
erm...what?????NSIS...
I was thinking beyond simply the police, though they appeared gutless and toothless in the recent documentary 'Uneasy Peace'. Children's Services in Doncaster were castigated not that long ago for numerous failings in various cases. Sheffield City Councils handling of the Sevenstone development and of the Don valley stadium demolition has shown them to be weak and incompetent. The whole area feels slightly like a third world country these days with the state of the roads and half finished developments. When the electorate are voting for people of the intellectual capability of Julie Dore that's hardly a suprise.
Nom de ploom said:
They originally said mainly of Pakistani origin - or was that changed before?
They have been forced to convert 
Really, it is people of Pakistani origin that are the subject of this, and other similar investigations. Someone mentioned taxi drivers who are aiding/abetting - I expect a high percentage of Pakistani drivers. That is reality - not a question of PC right or wrong. If there is a wrong, it it to use the term Asians.
Just been watching the News (BBC) where child services, the police, council members are to blame, yet no-one has mentioned the perpetrators.
I am disgusted with the way this is being reported.
Yes the police and child services have failed but only after an illegal act by one part of the community.
The head of the council felt a need to resign, I have yet to hear that the local Imam has done the same.
I am disgusted with the way this is being reported.
Yes the police and child services have failed but only after an illegal act by one part of the community.
The head of the council felt a need to resign, I have yet to hear that the local Imam has done the same.
scenario8 said:
I wasn't trying to be condescending whatsoever. Honestly, I was just typing as I had the news channel on in the background and didn't want conspiracy theories to develop! I thought I was helping out Nom de Ploom. Sorry if I was misinterpreted.
Well, that was a remarkably mature and considered response to what was actually a pretty knee-jerk post from me.Edited by scenario8 on Tuesday 26th August 17:03
Have one of these sir!
Ethnicity.
Let's be clear about this and do the job that the BBC et al should do.
Whilst acknowledging that across the UK the majority of perpetrators of Child Sexual Exploitation are white, the report makes it absolutely clear that in the case of Rotherham the Asian tag is due to data references. In reality the majority of the perpetrators were originally of Pakistani origin, one Afghan offender and in recent times there has been significant influence of Roma-Slovak origin offenders.
So let's cut the crap and point the offending bds out and cut the cancer out together with all connected, even if they failed to speak up.
Just as with Smith and Savile knowing and not saying is, to me, just as much complicit.
Let's be clear about this and do the job that the BBC et al should do.
Whilst acknowledging that across the UK the majority of perpetrators of Child Sexual Exploitation are white, the report makes it absolutely clear that in the case of Rotherham the Asian tag is due to data references. In reality the majority of the perpetrators were originally of Pakistani origin, one Afghan offender and in recent times there has been significant influence of Roma-Slovak origin offenders.
So let's cut the crap and point the offending b
ds out and cut the cancer out together with all connected, even if they failed to speak up. Just as with Smith and Savile knowing and not saying is, to me, just as much complicit.
Article said:
"The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' description of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men."
Ignoring for the moment how this has morphed from a specific culture into an all-encompassing "Asian men" label, it is easy to understand their fears of being called racists - just look at an average thread here. The word 'racist' must be one of the most commonly used on PH by the painfully right on, and it seems certain now that people with a similar attitude have contributed in a big way to the continued abuse of the most vulnerable in our society.I just can't get y head around the fact that these are organised gangs. What sort of person when approached by a mate who says 'I've got this 11 yr old girl half drunk in my flat, want to have a go with her after me?' thinks about it and goes 'Yeah why not?'
And it's not just one person, but reportedly hundreds. There is something very sick and rotten at the heart of this.
I'm practically a commie by some standards on here, but I cannot think of a punishment severe enough for these people. Death would be a release by the time I had finished with them if I had the chance.
The worse thing is that all I can do is write impotently on a chat forum knowing that somewhere some person is suffering right now at the hands of these people.
It has to stop. It must stop.
And it's not just one person, but reportedly hundreds. There is something very sick and rotten at the heart of this.
I'm practically a commie by some standards on here, but I cannot think of a punishment severe enough for these people. Death would be a release by the time I had finished with them if I had the chance.
The worse thing is that all I can do is write impotently on a chat forum knowing that somewhere some person is suffering right now at the hands of these people.
It has to stop. It must stop.
No more likely to inform on their menfolk for being part of a paedophile grooming gang then they would if they were fighting for ISIS in the Middle East.
When I lived in Bradford their was a saying amongst my school friends "we are not British Muslims, we are Muslims who happen to live in Britain".
This will only get worse before it gets better, if indeed it ever does get better.
When I lived in Bradford their was a saying amongst my school friends "we are not British Muslims, we are Muslims who happen to live in Britain".
This will only get worse before it gets better, if indeed it ever does get better.
Mermaid said:
vonuber said:
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It has to stop. It must stop.
Comes back to the Muslim community, they have to engage - await the apologists.It has to stop. It must stop.
I've read and listened to various reports on this tonight with a complete sense of disbelief. I can't even put forward a coherent reply to this but I'll just list some of my thoughts.
People are still working for Rotherham Council who clearly thought their wages, their pension and their fear of being called a racist and therefore losing their wages and pensions were more important than 13 year old girls getting gang raped.
I'm just going to type that again.
People are still working for Rotherham Council who clearly thought their wages, their pension and their fear of being called a racist and therefore losing their wages and pensions were more important than 13 year old girls getting gang raped.
These are the same council workers that were ignoring organised gang rape of underage girls on an industrial scale, who thought it was more important to try and remove children from a Rotherham family and place them into care because their parents were members of UKIP
Again, lets look at that again.
These are the same council workers that were ignoring organised gang rape of underage girls on an industrial scale, who thought it was more important to try and remove children from a Rotherham family and place them into care because their parents were members of UKIP.
The South Yorkshire Police ignored any attempt to bring to light these allegations for as long as they could. One girl reported to them that she and her friends were being raped on a regular basis and named names. She then got her friends to name names. The police came round and took statements & took some of her clothing for forensic tests. She heard nothing for a week then they came back to her,
"Sorry but we've lost the bag containing your clothing so without that there is no evidence so that's that,"
The girl was then taken under the care of Social Services. The same Social Services that were ignoring what was going on.
So is that action by the police collusion? Is that fear of being called racist? Is it that the view was that all the girls were basically wes and were getting what they deserved so it could be ignored? Or were payments being made to the policeman's ball fund which someone had to take care of?
Where was the local MP when all this was going on? Well he was Mr Denis McShane, the principal piggy in the trough of the expenses scandal so while this was happening I'm guessing where his mind was focused elsewhere. But perhaps he was organising gaining extra electoral campaigning funds from certain sectors of the community & that distracted him from any complaints he received from any of his other constituents who didn't have anything to hide.
6 members of Rotherham council who have direct responsibility in the chain of command with regard to these events earn over £165,000 per annum. I wonder how many of them actually live in Rotherham? I wonder how many of them if they stand down, will find jobs in local government elsewhere.
Coming back to the police. Odd that just before this report was issued, this is the same force which requested that the home of one celebrity who might have groped one boy back in the midst of time be raided and somehow the BBC had enough notice that it was about to happen that they managed to have a helicopter on site to record it. Do we think that these events might be related in any way?
Seriously.
WHAT THE JUDDERING fk IS GOING ON IN MY COUNTRY?
As someone mentioned on Guido Fawkes, if this some other country the local people would be on the streets tonight burning down Rotherham Town Hall.
But don't worry.....
Its already being reported....
That...
"LESSONS WILL BE LEARNED."
This country is fked.
People are still working for Rotherham Council who clearly thought their wages, their pension and their fear of being called a racist and therefore losing their wages and pensions were more important than 13 year old girls getting gang raped.
I'm just going to type that again.
People are still working for Rotherham Council who clearly thought their wages, their pension and their fear of being called a racist and therefore losing their wages and pensions were more important than 13 year old girls getting gang raped.
These are the same council workers that were ignoring organised gang rape of underage girls on an industrial scale, who thought it was more important to try and remove children from a Rotherham family and place them into care because their parents were members of UKIP
Again, lets look at that again.
These are the same council workers that were ignoring organised gang rape of underage girls on an industrial scale, who thought it was more important to try and remove children from a Rotherham family and place them into care because their parents were members of UKIP.
The South Yorkshire Police ignored any attempt to bring to light these allegations for as long as they could. One girl reported to them that she and her friends were being raped on a regular basis and named names. She then got her friends to name names. The police came round and took statements & took some of her clothing for forensic tests. She heard nothing for a week then they came back to her,
"Sorry but we've lost the bag containing your clothing so without that there is no evidence so that's that,"
The girl was then taken under the care of Social Services. The same Social Services that were ignoring what was going on.
So is that action by the police collusion? Is that fear of being called racist? Is it that the view was that all the girls were basically w
es and were getting what they deserved so it could be ignored? Or were payments being made to the policeman's ball fund which someone had to take care of?Where was the local MP when all this was going on? Well he was Mr Denis McShane, the principal piggy in the trough of the expenses scandal so while this was happening I'm guessing where his mind was focused elsewhere. But perhaps he was organising gaining extra electoral campaigning funds from certain sectors of the community & that distracted him from any complaints he received from any of his other constituents who didn't have anything to hide.
6 members of Rotherham council who have direct responsibility in the chain of command with regard to these events earn over £165,000 per annum. I wonder how many of them actually live in Rotherham? I wonder how many of them if they stand down, will find jobs in local government elsewhere.
Coming back to the police. Odd that just before this report was issued, this is the same force which requested that the home of one celebrity who might have groped one boy back in the midst of time be raided and somehow the BBC had enough notice that it was about to happen that they managed to have a helicopter on site to record it. Do we think that these events might be related in any way?
Seriously.
WHAT THE JUDDERING f
k IS GOING ON IN MY COUNTRY?As someone mentioned on Guido Fawkes, if this some other country the local people would be on the streets tonight burning down Rotherham Town Hall.
But don't worry.....
Its already being reported....
That...
"LESSONS WILL BE LEARNED."
This country is f
ked.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff