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magnum555 said:
Blame is being put on Pakistani culture, but ask yourself why the majority of the vulnerable girls are white? Is there an a problem within white english culture?
Non-sequitur. The majority of victims were vulnerable white girls does not equal the majority of all vulnerable girls are white. It could merely be the predilection of the Pakistani Rape Gangs.magnum555 said:
Since you've dished the dirt on Pakistani's and Bengalis what about Indians?
As above - to what do you attribute the difference between Indian and Pakistani immigrants re their integration into and position in society? Religion? Education? Socio-economic background?I was always bemused by an Indian friend's father's pathological hatred of Pakistanis, but I can see now it goes both ways.
anonymous said:
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I think there's definitely something in the 'low socio-economic' angle. While these particular cases involving Pakistani men are both widespread and shocking, there are similar issues among poor black youths. And while it's trickier to find such a distinctive pattern among the poor white (due to their high numbers) there is certainly a very casual attitude to sex among the white poor that leads to multiple births from multiple partners, underage sex, spreading of STDs, and young women who don't really understand the proper definition of rape.magnum555 said:
Jinx said:
magnum555 said:
There is no cultural problem, the report clearly states that asian females were targeted. They dont care about colour, they will abuse their own. This then leads to the question why are these white girls so vulnerable to this sort of crime? The white english community needs to address these issues.
Being vulnerable is not a crime. Rape is.
king . I half expect you to start spouting bks like she was wearing her training bra in a provocative way, or her nappy not being properly adjusted made me do it. Wrong - they are evil bds end of. There is no excuse whether the girls concerned are white, black, oriental or fking Martian wrong is wrong and if you can't grasp that then really you need to examine your own viewpointsirocfan said:
to be honest fella you are coming across as an pig-ignorant fking . I half expect you to start spouting bks like she was wearing her training bra in a provocative way, or her nappy not being properly adjusted made me do it. Wrong - they are evil bds end of. There is no excuse whether the girls concerned are white, black, oriental or fking Martian wrong is wrong and if you can't grasp that then really you need to examine your own viewpoints
Im not siding here, but you cant have it both ways.king . I half expect you to start spouting bks like she was wearing her training bra in a provocative way, or her nappy not being properly adjusted made me do it. Wrong - they are evil bds end of. There is no excuse whether the girls concerned are white, black, oriental or fking Martian wrong is wrong and if you can't grasp that then really you need to examine your own viewpointsEither
a) You feel it is essential to single it out as a Pakistani problem as you need to pigeon hole it so you can address the root causes of this. THis being the case the reason the victims are so susceptible to it is equally relevant or
b) 'They are evil b
ds end of' thus their race is irrelevant.magnum555 said:
Blame is being put on Pakistani culture, but ask yourself why the majority of the vulnerable girls are white? Is there an a problem within white english culture?
The fact that you could ask such a question demonstrates that there is a major problem within your culture.It is becoming clear that (some/many) muslims feel nothing but contempt for all non-muslims. We are seeing daily examples of rape, mass murder and beheadings - all of which will lead to a backlash. We hear very little condemnation from senior muslims.
The catholic priests have been roundly condemned and the pope has apologised. During the troubles in Northern Ireland, almost every religious leader, on both sides, condemned the violence.
magnum555 said:
Blame is being put on Pakistani culture, but ask yourself why the majority of the vulnerable girls are white? Is there an a problem within white english culture?
I note you put a large smiley on this post - appropriate? Anyways, please can you explain why you think your question is even relevant to this debate? If you are not seeking to deflect blame from the perpetrators of these crimes then why is it even relevant to mention the causes of the vulnerability of the girls?
Surely you would have to accept that a normal bloke does not rape a 12 year old just because he thinks she's a bit vulnerable? Or have I got that wrong? Do you and your mates look at a vulnerable 12 year old and think "hey, she's a bit needy so lets all have a go? " Please do enlighten me as to your thought processes.
Also, can you explain how these gangs could be under the community radar, yet be well enough organised and in contact with each other to be able to traffic the girls from city to city to meet up with other Pakistani males across the UK to play swapsies with their respective sex toys? (sex toys = the children in case you misunderstand)
magnum555 said:
Blame is being put on Pakistani culture, but ask yourself why the majority of the vulnerable girls are white? Is there an a problem within white english culture?
Ok, so let's say there is a problem within in "White English Culture", resulting in many disaffected, poor and low-educated white girls who skive off school to go and have a good time. How does accepting that, placing one hand on our chins and musing it, solve young Pakistani men gang-raping them?
Enjoying rides in fast cars, receiving bling, and dressing seductively (this applies to some Harvard-educated women too you know) is not a pre-cursor for being penetrated without consent.
blindswelledrat said:
Im not siding here, but you cant have it both ways.
Either
a) You feel it is essential to single it out as a Pakistani problem as you need to pigeon hole it so you can address the root causes of this. THis being the case the reason the victims are so susceptible to it is equally relevant
nope that does not follow. The victims vulnerability (or otherwise) is entirely irrelevant to why the group feels the need to take advantage of them! Either
a) You feel it is essential to single it out as a Pakistani problem as you need to pigeon hole it so you can address the root causes of this. THis being the case the reason the victims are so susceptible to it is equally relevant
blindswelledrat said:
or
b) 'They are evil bds end of' thus their race is irrelevant.
Nope, Pakistanis are not all evil bb) 'They are evil b
ds end of' thus their race is irrelevant.ds. BUT, a disproportionately high number of Pakistani males are involved in this kind of activity. The reasons for this must be explored, but to do that means that people like Magnum have to accept that such exploration is justified. He cannot bring himself to do this. Instead he keeps running back to a thinly veiled "it's all the victims fault and the fault of their parents" mantra. If in the Parkgate area of Rotherham intelligence showed that there were a group of white males engaged in distraction burglary of properties in Ravenfield then action would be taken and the community made aware and asked to be on their guard and to help with information.
If in the Eastwood area there was intelligence of a similar gang from say Bosnia engaged in car theft by burglaries for the keys then the same would be implemented.
There wouldn't be a denial of these crimes.
Plus it wouldn't be the fault of the victims for living in nice houses or running decent cars.
So why the difference here?
And why the 'Oh look a squirrel' tactics?
Identify a pattern. Investigate without fear or favour. Go where the evidence leads. Obviously as a nation we have not been too good at this as some seem to not get an even break whilst others get more than a fair chance.
If in the Eastwood area there was intelligence of a similar gang from say Bosnia engaged in car theft by burglaries for the keys then the same would be implemented.
There wouldn't be a denial of these crimes.
Plus it wouldn't be the fault of the victims for living in nice houses or running decent cars.
So why the difference here?
And why the 'Oh look a squirrel' tactics?
Identify a pattern. Investigate without fear or favour. Go where the evidence leads. Obviously as a nation we have not been too good at this as some seem to not get an even break whilst others get more than a fair chance.
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