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Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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rollondeath said:
Asterix said:
Quick question from those in the know - What's Rotherham actually like?

Having read the news and threads like this one, I expect it to be an absolute sthole, doom & gloom, massive non-white population but from what I can find it seems quite prosperous with a relatively low Asian immigrant population, compared to the likes of Bradford etc...

I've not spent much time in that part of the world and certainly not for a long while.
Think of the 1800's and you're not far off. S**t hole.
The 1800s in Pakistan that is. I work there & it's often a game of spot the whitey.

rollondeath

317 posts

119 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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FiF said:
rollondeath said:
Asterix said:
Quick question from those in the know - What's Rotherham actually like?

Having read the news and threads like this one, I expect it to be an absolute sthole, doom & gloom, massive non-white population but from what I can find it seems quite prosperous with a relatively low Asian immigrant population, compared to the likes of Bradford etc...

I've not spent much time in that part of the world and certainly not for a long while.
Think of the 1800's and you're not far off. S**t hole.
It's stupid funking inaccurate bks like that which really doesn't help the situation.
It's like a lot of towns there are areas which by most standards are decent and areas that frankly are dives. With pretty much every shade of the spectrum in between.

Of course it depends upon what you call Rotherham, much like that stupid discussion in the London is ace everywhere else is st thread.

Is it just the town centre, or include immediate adjacent areas which are a bit grim tbh. Then if you start to include areas to the south and east and north to the boundary things change.

Again things vary. You will not find enclaves like the Cheshire footballer compound. You also don't find some of the worst areas seen in other places.

So it's much like any other town which grew up with industry where much of it has moved on. It's populated by mostly decent people with decent values trying to succeed in life and live in pleasant as possible surroundings.

I don't and have never lived there but have connections.

Pricks with smart arse inaccurate twaddle like the above need to stfu.
What if I live there? binned

Edited by rollondeath on Wednesday 27th August 18:54


Mod note: tone it down please.

Edited by Bill on Wednesday 27th August 19:25

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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In a week, this will be forgotten. Business as usual.

FiF

44,078 posts

251 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Don't give a stuff where you live. If it's like the 1800's and a sthole where you live you have my sympathies.

But there is a bigger picture.

Most PHers are intelligent enough to recognise the sensationalist soundbite for what it is.

Anyway you carry on if you wish but absolutely anything you write in future will be discounted by me as probably not that accurate.

wavey

Pushes ignore button.

andymc

7,353 posts

207 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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But it won't vanish, up in Newcastle operation sanctuary is gathering steam and so far over 100 Pakistani men have been arrested on abuse and rape charges, their ethnicity has yet to be commented on by local media

JensenA

5,671 posts

230 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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TTwiggy said:
WinstonWolf said:
The difference here is if I, and I expect the great majority of posters found out a friend had been doing this they'd be shunned and excommunicated immediately. The attitude amongst this group seems to be "Bagsy I have a turn when you're done".

Do you think Magnum has a point, they're out on the streets, they must be gagging for it, right?
I think Magnum had done himself no favours on this thread, and if he is Pakistani, then he's done little to improve the image of that culture. I do understand some of his frustrations however, as it can be hard to remain cogent when you're trying to engage logically and politley with some people while others are just popping up and selectively (mis)quoting something you may have said pages back, just to pick a fight.

For clarity, no, I would never accuse any woman or girl of 'asking for it'. Remember, I'm the resident lefty feminist after all smile
There are plenty of girls who go out 'asking for it'. Where the hell do you live?? Or do you never go out? However even a girl who goes out 'asking for it, does not mean she is asking for it from every single male she meets (just like males) and she has every right to refuse, and furthermore, asking for it does not mean she is willing to be drugged, gang raped, and forced to repeat it every Saturday night for fear of being beaten.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Does anyone know if any young Muslim girls involved -drugged/gang raped etc etc.
















No ignore that, for the matter would have been raised in the UN by now. Awaits Malala's response on this abuse of children

http://www.ibtimes.com/delhi-gang-rape-victim-dies...

julianm

1,535 posts

201 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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It seems Wright still won`t resign.
Interesting summary:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/27/rot...

Pit Pony

8,557 posts

121 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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WinstonWolf said:
How Politically Correct of you... This isn't part of male culture, it's more specific than that.
What stops YOU or ME, from adopting this as part of our culture ? It's an upbringing where all people are equally valued, and everyone's rights are respected. It's where my mother and father made it clear to be what my responsibilities in society were, and it included speaking up when I thought things were wrong and stepping up and intervening when others were treated unjustly.

milu

2,353 posts

266 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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To answer 'what's Rotherham like?'
I was born (1969)in an area that Is now completely swamped by immigrants,who have taken over from the previous Muslim population who in turn took over from the locals in the 70's
That area is now a slum as far as I'm concerned. It's a real shame because it was once full of decent hardworking folk and families.
The town is struggling like many others although a recent bit of work round the church yard is a big improvement.
But many areas that come under the Rotherham borough are perfectly fine with nice villages and of course easy access to the countryside.

However the influx of immigrants is a real problem. They're often not working,forming large gangs and generally making the locals feel uneasy about the numbers.

You'll notice I haven't mentioned the main topic. Sufficed to say I'm disgusted by the perpetrators,the useless council and equally useless police. But I'm not surprised!

rollondeath

317 posts

119 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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FiF said:
It's stupid funking inaccurate bks like that which really doesn't help the situation.
It's like a lot of towns there are areas which by most standards are decent and areas that frankly are dives. With pretty much every shade of the spectrum in between.

Of course it depends upon what you call Rotherham, much like that stupid discussion in the London is ace everywhere else is st thread.

Is it just the town centre, or include immediate adjacent areas which are a bit grim tbh. Then if you start to include areas to the south and east and north to the boundary things change.

Again things vary. You will not find enclaves like the Cheshire footballer compound. You also don't find some of the worst areas seen in other places.

So it's much like any other town which grew up with industry where much of it has moved on. It's populated by mostly decent people with decent values trying to succeed in life and live in pleasant as possible surroundings.

I don't and have never lived there but have connections.

Pricks with smart arse inaccurate twaddle like the above need to stfu.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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milu said:
To answer 'what's Rotherham like?'
I was born (1969)in an area that Is now completely swamped by immigrants,who have taken over from the previous Muslim population who in turn took over from the locals in the 70's
That area is now a slum as far as I'm concerned. It's a real shame because it was once full of decent hardworking folk and families.
The town is struggling like many others although a recent bit of work round the church yard is a big improvement.
But many areas that come under the Rotherham borough are perfectly fine with nice villages and of course easy access to the countryside.

However the influx of immigrants is a real problem. They're often not working,forming large gangs and generally making the locals feel uneasy about the numbers.

You'll notice I haven't mentioned the main topic. Sufficed to say I'm disgusted by the perpetrators,the useless council and equally useless police. But I'm not surprised!
Exactly like Doncaster then, which is no surprise.

9xxNick

928 posts

214 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article41861...

This hasn't been mentioned yet but could provide insight into ISIS's (and by extension Islamic) views concerning women, especially those who are not Muslim or who don't subscribe to their particular brand of Islam.

"Cardiff fighter boasts of women selling for £1,200

British fighters in Syria have boasted of trading in slave women selling for up to $2,000 (£1,200) each.
One key Isis recruiter from Cardiff has claimed that hundreds of Yazidi women are being kept as slaves, and others have bragged of the appeal the women will have for young men considering joining the fight.
Shortly before James Foley’s murder Nasser Muthana, a British extremist from Cardiff, tweeted: “We have hundreds of Yazidi slave women now in Syria, how about that for news!”
Since then, Muthana has attempted to explain why he believes Islam justifies keeping a saabiyah, a slave with whom her master is free to have sex.
On Twitter, a social media site, he wrote: “When I spoke about slaves everyone jumped on me muslims and non muslims alike . . . So I stayed quiet and will stay quiet but everyone will soon find out when I get my own concubines lool, slave markets are on full blast.”
However, on ask.fm, another social media site many British fighters are using, Muthana denied having taken his own “concubine”.
“They’re very obedient but I don’t have one,” he wrote. Asked what he would do if his slave woman rebelled, he wrote: “I would speak to a judge and see what I can do.”
Muthana, 20, travelled to Syria with his brother, Aseel, 17. Muthana has acquired bomb-making skills and is now threatening to return to the UK. The brothers travelled with Reyaad Khan, a friend, also 20, who has claimed via Twitter he has executed enemies and described slow beheadings.
One of Muthana’s associates using the name Abu Dhar Almuhajir is thought to be a Briton of Somali origin who has become an Isis fighter. He claimed that though there was a high price on the women, they will serve to motivate westerners to join the jihad.
He wrote: “The sunnah has been revived, Buying & selling of saabiyah (concubines) in Iraq & it surrounding areas.#whowants1? The price of one slave girl is about $1,500-2,000. I think female captives/slaves would entice alot of people.”"

milu

2,353 posts

266 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Hooli said:
Exactly like Doncaster then, which is no surprise.
Yeah I live in Doncaster!!( much better town centre it has to be said)

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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9xxNick said:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article41861...

This hasn't been mentioned yet but could provide insight into ISIS's (and by extension Islamic) views concerning women, especially those who are not Muslim or who don't subscribe to their particular brand of Islam.

"Cardiff fighter boasts of women selling for £1,200

British fighters in Syria have boasted of trading in slave women selling for up to $2,000 (£1,200) each.
One key Isis recruiter from Cardiff has claimed that hundreds of Yazidi women are being kept as slaves, and others have bragged of the appeal the women will have for young men considering joining the fight.
Shortly before James Foley’s murder Nasser Muthana, a British extremist from Cardiff, tweeted: “We have hundreds of Yazidi slave women now in Syria, how about that for news!”
Since then, Muthana has attempted to explain why he believes Islam justifies keeping a saabiyah, a slave with whom her master is free to have sex.
On Twitter, a social media site, he wrote: “When I spoke about slaves everyone jumped on me muslims and non muslims alike . . . So I stayed quiet and will stay quiet but everyone will soon find out when I get my own concubines lool, slave markets are on full blast.”
However, on ask.fm, another social media site many British fighters are using, Muthana denied having taken his own “concubine”.
“They’re very obedient but I don’t have one,” he wrote. Asked what he would do if his slave woman rebelled, he wrote: “I would speak to a judge and see what I can do.”
Muthana, 20, travelled to Syria with his brother, Aseel, 17. Muthana has acquired bomb-making skills and is now threatening to return to the UK. The brothers travelled with Reyaad Khan, a friend, also 20, who has claimed via Twitter he has executed enemies and described slow beheadings.
One of Muthana’s associates using the name Abu Dhar Almuhajir is thought to be a Briton of Somali origin who has become an Isis fighter. He claimed that though there was a high price on the women, they will serve to motivate westerners to join the jihad.
He wrote: “The sunnah has been revived, Buying & selling of saabiyah (concubines) in Iraq & it surrounding areas.#whowants1? The price of one slave girl is about $1,500-2,000. I think female captives/slaves would entice alot of people.”"
I wonder how many of the Muslims fighting in Syria/Iraq are of Pakistani origin?

smegmore

3,091 posts

176 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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From the Guardian article..........

"Professor Alexis Jay said reports to the council and police 'could not have been clearer' about child abuse in Rotherham.

As calls intensified on Wednesday for Shaun Wright to step down as police commissioner, his record as Rotherham council's cabinet member for children and young people's services came under uncomfortable scrutiny.

Wright took up the post in April 2005, staying in the job until 2010, and served 12 years in total as a Labour councillor in Rotherham. Shortly after he took over responsibility for children and young people, an Ofsted inspection in 2006 declared Rotherham's children's services department to be "good".

Three years into his tenure, following an unannounced inspection in August 2009, Ofsted downgraded the department to "performs poorly" – its lowest rating – saying there was "sufficient concern that the safety of children cannot be assured". As a result, Dawn Primarolo, the then minister for children and families, decided the government should take control of children's services from Rotherham council. Only 13 months later the council was deemed fit to run these services again.

Inside the council, there were grumbles about Wright's reluctance to delegate in the face of enormous problems.

Michael Sylvester, a parish councillor in the Rotherham district who opposed Wright's election as PCC, said on the Rotherham Politics blog in 2012 that: "I've had council officers contact me before stating he has a habit of micro-managing officers to such an extent they can't get on with performing their roles.

"If he is successful in getting the nomination, Cllr Wright must prove after the 2009 failings that his abilities have caught up with his ambition."

Wright told BBC's Look North programme on Wednesday that he was "surprised" by the scale of sexual exploitation suffered by children in Rotherham since 1997. Yet according to Professor Alexis Jay's investigation, he commissioned a series of reports directly addressing the problem of child sexual exploitation (CSE) in the town while in office. All made abundantly clear that large numbers of children were being groomed for sex by gangs of mainly Asian males.

In June 2007 he received a report on the "Protection of Young People from Sexual Assault in Rotherham". The report was referred to the children and young people's scrutiny panel and to the safeguarding board, which decided that a training seminar would be held in July for council members.

In July 2008, after receiving the annual report on the protection of young people in Rotherham from sexual exploitation, Wright called for a further report on the budget of Risky Business, a specialist unit of youth workers set up to tackle CSE in 1997.

In November 2008 yet another CSE report appeared on his desk, followed by another in January 2009, by the director of targeted services.

Jay said that by 2005, when Wright took over responsibility for the protection of vulnerable young people, neither councillors nor senior officers in the council could say "we didn't know" about CSE. Seminars for elected members and senior officers in 2004-05 presented the abuse "in the most explicit terms", said Jay.

In her report, Jay notes that executives within Rotherham children's social care services formally recognised the problem of child sexual exploitation back in 2001, though there were many known cases of CSE in the years before then.

She said the council and police ignored "stark evidence" from reports in 2002, 2003 and 2006, which "could not have been clearer in their description of the situation in Rotherham. The first of these reports was effectively suppressed because some senior officers disbelieved the data it contained. This had led to suggestions of cover-up. The other two reports set out the links between child sexual exploitation and drugs, guns and criminality in the borough. These reports were ignored and no action was taken to deal with the issues that were identified in them."

In a statement on Tuesday, Wright apologised to Rotherham's victims.

His spokeswoman said: "The commissioner has previously apologised for the failure of Rotherham council while he was in its cabinet from 2005 to 2010. He repeats that apology today and he fully accepts that there was more that everyone at Rotherham council should have done to tackle this terrible crime.

"Since becoming police and crime commissioner he has repeatedly publicly made tackling child sexual exploitation his number one priority."



This individual is a fking disgrace and not fit to hold public office in any shape or form. His obfuscation on TV today is a telling indictment of the cancer of 'political correctness' which is all too prevalent in the left-wing 'right on' council mentality which will mask, nay, protect, criminals from a certain ethnic background for fear of causing 'racial disharmony' and going against the ethos of 'multi-culturalism' whatever that means.

These bds should hang their heads in shame but they won't of course, reputations, future promotions and pensions are at risk here. Bullst, denial and downright lying are the order of the day.

Disgusting.

carinaman

21,292 posts

172 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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There's a petition on change.org to get him gone.

essayer

9,066 posts

194 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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carinaman said:
There's a petition on change.org to get him gone.
He has resigned from the Labour Party but not as PCC confused

Politics 101: When you become the story, it's time to go

Trax

1,537 posts

232 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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anonymous said:
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But it's the wrong question. Maybe a question for another thread, but it isn't the point here.

The question is, of these 1400 girls/children, of which a proportion could be argued as vulnerable, why were they predominately, to the point of almost all, raped/abused, dowsed with petrol, beat up, sold to friends etc, by Pakistani Men and not white men?

Trax

1,537 posts

232 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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essayer said:
carinaman said:
There's a petition on change.org to get him gone.
He has resigned from the Labour Party but not as PCC confused

Politics 101: When you become the story, it's time to go
Was he not told to resign from his PCC role by Labour, and would be kicked out from the Labour Party if he didn't?

This man is as responsible as the rapists, he facilitated them, as well as many more council officials, including people in the Police. Unfortunately I doubt any of them will be held accountable, be sacked or lose pensions.