another abuse gang
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bobdole said:
Lol!!!! what answer do expect to get from:
"The question asked was how on earth a group of blokes ( of any race) can decide to set up an abuse gang. Who asks who what in order to get started? It beggars belief that someone says " hey guys, great idea i have just had, lets groom and rape some 12 year olds, i know just where to find some vulnerable ones". "
Do you think if we discuss that long enough we will get some idea of why? Or maybe someone will admit that they are in such a gang?
Get real. The salacious angle that the papers and knuckle dragger's want to focus on is "Gangs of Asian men abuse white girls"
No answers as to how to stop it happening in first place, the real link is young girls not cared for properly, let down by families, let down by police let down by social services.
To help kids not to get run over by a car they made a zebra crossing....they didnt ban cars.
The danger is there, what we need to do is build that zebra crossing for those young girls in care....THAT is what social services and the police are there for! But in these cases they weren't.
To find a solution, you must first identify (not deny) the problem. To expand on your pointless analogy; you mate could not find the road in the first place. "The question asked was how on earth a group of blokes ( of any race) can decide to set up an abuse gang. Who asks who what in order to get started? It beggars belief that someone says " hey guys, great idea i have just had, lets groom and rape some 12 year olds, i know just where to find some vulnerable ones". "
Do you think if we discuss that long enough we will get some idea of why? Or maybe someone will admit that they are in such a gang?
Get real. The salacious angle that the papers and knuckle dragger's want to focus on is "Gangs of Asian men abuse white girls"
No answers as to how to stop it happening in first place, the real link is young girls not cared for properly, let down by families, let down by police let down by social services.
To help kids not to get run over by a car they made a zebra crossing....they didnt ban cars.
The danger is there, what we need to do is build that zebra crossing for those young girls in care....THAT is what social services and the police are there for! But in these cases they weren't.
bobdole said:
Maybe research a bit more about frat parties. Abuse of women and girls is not specific to one race or religion or colour of people. My point is its all bad. So why in this thread is all the snide remarks of 'what a surprise' cause it was Asian men ?
Before you fall off your PC soapbox, go and find the statistics which show that Asian men are over represented in sexual crimes compare to the total number of Asians in the population, hence the "what a surprise" remarks.Damn, there I go doing what the media do and lumping these Pakistani Muslims into a larger group
Please replace "Asians" above with Pakistani Muslims.Abuse of women at Frat parties isn't really a big problem in the UK because we don't have fraternities an sororities in Britain, we actually trust our uni age teenagers to live together and behave like adults, unlike the US where you're treated like a child till you're 25.
If you wish to start a thread about Frat house abuse of women in the US, go right ahead, but don't try and deflect the thread away from the problem we have in the UK by holding up an example of abuse which doesn't occur in this country.
Edited by Marf on Sunday 9th December 10:03
Edited by Marf on Sunday 9th December 10:04
SMGB said:
bobdole said:
CaptainSlow said:
Shall I hold the carpet up whilst you sweep?
Huh?So children get abused all around the UK daily, some by family or friends of family (most in fact), some by teachers, care workers, etc etc.
Why should it matter what race or colour does the abusing?
Why more outrage that its Asian men?!
Can some just answer that simple question....why is it worse if an Asian man abuses a white girl?
As a manager of a kids football team i've had some abuse on the side lines from rival parents of being 'a peado', you know the usual knuckle dragger stuff. Thats calmed down abit now because the new bogie men are no longer Scout leaders, train spotters, weird men at parks in rain coats, RC priests its Asian taxi drivers and the blokes at the local Chicken Fast.
Abuse is abuse, dont think its only one group of men who are doing it as all the publicity will hang on that and as it does who helps the girls getting abused at home by Dad? or Uncle X, or by the Scout leader? etc etc.
Marf said:
bobdole said:
Maybe research a bit more about frat parties. Abuse of women and girls is not specific to one race or religion or colour of people. My point is its all bad. So why in this thread is all the snide remarks of 'what a surprise' cause it was Asian men ?
Before you fall off your PC soapbox, go and find the statistics which show that Asian men are over represented in sexual crimes compare to the total number of Asians in the population, hence the "what a surprise" remarks.Damn, there I go doing what the media do and lumping these Pakistani Muslims into a larger group
Please replace "Asians" above with Pakistani Muslims.Abuse of women at Frat parties isn't really a big problem in the UK because we don't have fraternities an sororities in Britain, we actually trust our uni age teenagers to live together and behave like adults, unlike the US where you're treated like a child till you're 25.
If you wish to start a thread about Frat house abuse of women in the US, go right ahead, but don't try and deflect the thread away from the problem we have in the UK by holding up an example of abuse which doesn't occur in this country.
Edited by Marf on Sunday 9th December 10:03
Edited by Marf on Sunday 9th December 10:04
If then Asian men are in your opinion more likely to abuse young girls.... what's your answer? What do you suggest we do? lock all Asian men up just in case? Label them all child abusers and as someone on this thread suggested "send them back to Jordan"?
Or simply take BETTER care of our young white girls in care homes so they dont hang around streets at night....
Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 10:17
Marf said:
No offense, but given how you interact with people on here you're not worth debating with. You twist what people say and make out they've said something they haven't. As such I am done with you.
Enjoy your Sunday.
Whats the wink for? Enjoy your Sunday.
Read the whole thread.
I'm still yet to get an answer why its worse that they are an Asian group of men as opposed to a white group of men.
Marf said:
I've read it thanks, something you seem to be failing to do. You appear to skim over people's posts, take offense no matter what they've read then go off on a froth mouthed rant at them.
Would you like a hanky to wipe away the spittle from the corner of your mouth?
Not once have i ranted, not once. Im calm as anything thanks trying to get a simple answer as to why when faced with a terrible story about abuse of young girls at the hands a male gang some people await the race and colour with relish. Surely you should care more about men abusing girls rather than what heritage those men are......child abuse cant be any worse than it already is can it?Would you like a hanky to wipe away the spittle from the corner of your mouth?
Lost_BMW said:
I'll risk going even further. If you don't think there is a cultural (well, religious) element to the ease with which groups of men feel it OK to abuse women - and manage to mass organise and get away with abuse - you should catch a replay of the Channel 4 report on Egypt, shown yesterday.
You simply would not find so many men/youths together behaving so awfully and brazenly as they did in a city with a different religious and cultural background. I defy anyone to think of anywhere this would have been seen outside of a war zone in any European country for example.
If you didn't/don't see it, masses (dozens at times) of men abusing, taunting, touching, chasing and even raping women black and blue in the street with no fear of the consequence. Justified with the line that those who went out uncovered or in western dress were w
es, asking for it. Until the journalist asked why they also abused women in veils, to which one scumbag actually had the stupidity to say, "just because she is wearing the veil does not mean she is pure..." (or very near, to that clear meaning) and that they couldn't tell anymore. So that's OK then - abuse all women on the grounds they are likely to be worthless wes. Only in Cairo... and...
This was the only real rant in this whole thread.. this guy sounds like he ripped hi t shirt of half way through and chewed a chunk out of his desk!You simply would not find so many men/youths together behaving so awfully and brazenly as they did in a city with a different religious and cultural background. I defy anyone to think of anywhere this would have been seen outside of a war zone in any European country for example.
If you didn't/don't see it, masses (dozens at times) of men abusing, taunting, touching, chasing and even raping women black and blue in the street with no fear of the consequence. Justified with the line that those who went out uncovered or in western dress were w
es, asking for it. Until the journalist asked why they also abused women in veils, to which one scumbag actually had the stupidity to say, "just because she is wearing the veil does not mean she is pure..." (or very near, to that clear meaning) and that they couldn't tell anymore. So that's OK then - abuse all women on the grounds they are likely to be worthless wes. Only in Cairo... and...
bobdole said:
Get real. The salacious angle that the papers and knuckle dragger's want to focus on is "Gangs of Asian men abuse white girls.
Given that i am the OP on this thread, I think I have a pretty good idea what the original question was! This thread is not about a salacious angle. Christ on a bike, if you think there is a salacious angle to child abuse then you're not right in the head.
Read my original post carefully. Get someone to read it to you if you're not sure as to its meaning.
As to your other posts, well, you seem determined to shoot the messengers rather than deal with the message. It is undoubtedly true that children in care are more vulnerable, and that our bloated, PC riddled social services seem unable to focus on the most imprtant elements, namely the care and protection of the children. It is also tru that the Police seem to have, in too many cases, chosen to ignore what was going onunder their noses. For the avoidance of any doubt both the Social Services and the Police need to look at themselves and work out better ways to ensure the protection of the young and vulnerable in society's care.
But none of that detracts from the initial question... Which is why a group of men do this. The individual paedo like Savile or Glitter is bad enough, but what is the group dynamic? How on earth does that work? Why does no one close to the group say ' this is wrong' ?
As i posted before, it has been observed that Asian ( Pakistani Muslim) men form a disproportionately large number of these gangs and are represented in the majority within them. To ignore that is to ignore one of the key issues. Set aside your determination to be PC about this. Forget the multicultural right on enraged double speak, and focus on the facts.
If we could understand why Pakistani Muslim men are disproportionately represented in paedo gangs then perhaps we could address some of the problem at source.
The task here is to protect the children, Its not to avoid offending your PC sensibilities.
Marf said:
The answers have been given, you have chosen to ignore them and instead throw up strawmen about frat houses.
Your comprehension skills appear to be stunted, ergo there is little point debating with you.
The last word is yours bob, go for it.
Frat party wasn't in reference to child abuse, but you'd know that if you could read to a half decent level. It was in reference to above rant from LostBMW actually about bloke in egypt doing what alot of blokes do Friday and Saturday nights in towns across the country...and at frat parties...treat women like objects and rubbish.Your comprehension skills appear to be stunted, ergo there is little point debating with you.
The last word is yours bob, go for it.
andymadmak said:
bobdole said:
Get real. The salacious angle that the papers and knuckle dragger's want to focus on is "Gangs of Asian men abuse white girls.
Given that i am the OP on this thread, I think I have a pretty good idea what the original question was! This thread is not about a salacious angle. Christ on a bike, if you think there is a salacious angle to child abuse then you're not right in the head.
Read my original post carefully. Get someone to read it to you if you're not sure as to its meaning.
As to your other posts, well, you seem determined to shoot the messengers rather than deal with the message. It is undoubtedly true that children in care are more vulnerable, and that our bloated, PC riddled social services seem unable to focus on the most imprtant elements, namely the care and protection of the children. It is also tru that the Police seem to have, in too many cases, chosen to ignore what was going onunder their noses. For the avoidance of any doubt both the Social Services and the Police need to look at themselves and work out better ways to ensure the protection of the young and vulnerable in society's care.
But none of that detracts from the initial question... Which is why a group of men do this. The individual paedo like Savile or Glitter is bad enough, but what is the group dynamic? How on earth does that work? Why does no one close to the group say ' this is wrong' ?
As i posted before, it has been observed that Asian ( Pakistani Muslim) men form a disproportionately large number of these gangs and are represented in the majority within them. To ignore that is to ignore one of the key issues. Set aside your determination to be PC about this. Forget the multicultural right on enraged double speak, and focus on the facts.
If we could understand why Pakistani Muslim men are disproportionately represented in paedo gangs then perhaps we could address some of the problem at source.
The task here is to protect the children, Its not to avoid offending your PC sensibilities.
To understand why is surely addressed early on in the thead... i'll find it..
IanMorewood said:
Can I suggest that this is a possible scenario;
Girl befriended in takeaway by the all male staff, given small gifts, enjoys attention, flirts with all the staff, one of the lads has a cheeky grope she doesn’t object, next time its not one of the lads (lets say the uncle) but as the girl ended up with something to eat she happy enough to sit on his knee whilst he has a rummage under her top. Fast forward a week or three and she’s upstairs watching TV with a bottle of Vodka and a supply of chips when from time to time one of the staff from the takeaway comes upstairs for some R&R with her.
Here it is. Girl befriended in takeaway by the all male staff, given small gifts, enjoys attention, flirts with all the staff, one of the lads has a cheeky grope she doesn’t object, next time its not one of the lads (lets say the uncle) but as the girl ended up with something to eat she happy enough to sit on his knee whilst he has a rummage under her top. Fast forward a week or three and she’s upstairs watching TV with a bottle of Vodka and a supply of chips when from time to time one of the staff from the takeaway comes upstairs for some R&R with her.
bobdole said:
IanMorewood said:
Can I suggest that this is a possible scenario;
Girl befriended in takeaway by the all male staff, given small gifts, enjoys attention, flirts with all the staff, one of the lads has a cheeky grope she doesn’t object, next time its not one of the lads (lets say the uncle) but as the girl ended up with something to eat she happy enough to sit on his knee whilst he has a rummage under her top. Fast forward a week or three and she’s upstairs watching TV with a bottle of Vodka and a supply of chips when from time to time one of the staff from the takeaway comes upstairs for some R&R with her.
Here it is. Girl befriended in takeaway by the all male staff, given small gifts, enjoys attention, flirts with all the staff, one of the lads has a cheeky grope she doesn’t object, next time its not one of the lads (lets say the uncle) but as the girl ended up with something to eat she happy enough to sit on his knee whilst he has a rummage under her top. Fast forward a week or three and she’s upstairs watching TV with a bottle of Vodka and a supply of chips when from time to time one of the staff from the takeaway comes upstairs for some R&R with her.
bobdole said:
Whats the wink for?
Read the whole thread.
I'm still yet to get an answer why its worse that they are an Asian group of men as opposed to a white group of men.
You are the only person saying it is worse, no one else is. You then ask a question about why that is. You have asserted something that is only in your mind and are asking people to explain why that is.Read the whole thread.
I'm still yet to get an answer why its worse that they are an Asian group of men as opposed to a white group of men.
bobdole said:
Whats the wink for?
Read the whole thread.
I'm still yet to get an answer why its worse that they are an Asian group of men as opposed to a white group of men.
Again, point me to a link to similar number of any similarly organised group of White men abusing young girls on such a large scale with such brazen arrogance?Read the whole thread.
I'm still yet to get an answer why its worse that they are an Asian group of men as opposed to a white group of men.
I think it's time you came clean and declared your motives and interest in trying to steer this thread to suit your own goals.
Is it that you are one of those who would crawl over hot coals for the joy of calling someone a racist?
bobdole are you autistic or heavily religious?
I get the feeling that you're not a troll you just appear to have an inability to debate without dragging it down to "you said x therefore you're being x" and appear to read different meanings in things people said than what is actually there, to the extent that you remind me of 2 aspies i know.
I get the feeling that you're not a troll you just appear to have an inability to debate without dragging it down to "you said x therefore you're being x" and appear to read different meanings in things people said than what is actually there, to the extent that you remind me of 2 aspies i know.
odyssey2200 said:
bobdole said:
Whats the wink for?
Read the whole thread.
I'm still yet to get an answer why its worse that they are an Asian group of men as opposed to a white group of men.
Again, point me to a link to similar number of any similarly organised group of White men abusing young girls on such a large scale with such brazen arrogance?Read the whole thread.
I'm still yet to get an answer why its worse that they are an Asian group of men as opposed to a white group of men.
I think it's time you came clean and declared your motives and interest in trying to steer this thread to suit your own goals.
Is it that you are one of those who would crawl over hot coals for the joy of calling someone a racist?
I give up. Really do.
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