another abuse gang

[Bill]

graphene said:

And fewer posts, as some seem to have been deleted?

Yep. Including one of yours.

[heppers75]

magnum555 said:

You know that's rubbish you and others have clearly said the whole community is to blame as they must have known about these abuses.

No I have not and if you believe I have then please link directly and quote my post where I say this?

FYI I have had no posts deleted and I have only been contributing in the last 48 hours so all my posts are easy to find.

I have in fact repeatedly said quite the opposite if you actually read what I have posted.

[magnum555]

anonymous said:

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More insults showing your true colours.

Why don't you want to meet and discuss these issues?

[magnum555]

Oakey said:

magnum555 said:

Another Keyboard warrior, that's right you sit in your bedroom spouting rubbish on the internet.

There's no bigger oxymoron than someone posting on the internet and calling someone else on the internet a 'keyboard warrior'.

Why don't you post up your hardman credentials?

Oakey I've suggested meeting and discussing the issues directly with the communities that are being blamed.

[s1962a]

heppers75 said:

s1962a said:

heppers75 said:

What is being stated is that there is clearly an issue within certain communities as the statistics are showing us such, is that right or wrong and/or true or false?

I posted some opinions regarding this scum. As you mention it's an issue within certain parts of the Pakistani community - so how do we tackle that?

I think personally that if it were acknowledged by whichever community it might be then they would probably be quite effective at being a greater part of the solution.

Right now it does smack somewhat of almost the addict mentality who is in denial and until that first step of acknowledgment is taken it will be a very painful uphill battle.

Yeah I agree. Around my parts (London) and within my social circle (which includes Pakistani's, mostly professionals) there is absolute disgust at what these men did. This kind of mentality doesn't exist in Pakistani's in our 'communities' so apart from voicing our disgust, what else can we do to fix it? I believe the change needs to come from within the actual Pakistani communities within the towns affected - not much the entire Pakistani UK population can do other than voice disgust and make sure their kids/families don't have that kind of shallow, narrow minded, bigoted attitudes.

[heppers75]

magnum555 said:

You know that's rubbish you and others have clearly said the whole community is to blame as they must have known about these abuses.

I also note that you are still not providing any response to the sources & facts you asked for and were presented with.

[Bill]

heppers75 said:

I have to be honest Bill I and I do not believe others are pointing a finger at an 'entire' community at all.

What is being stated is that there is clearly an issue within certain communities as the statistics are showing us such, is that right or wrong and/or true or false?

And then two posts below:

Twincharge said:

I agree with this point, however ignorance is not an excuse. The community has a moral responsibility and should be held accountable. After all, it could be anyone's child.

[magnum555]

andymadmak said:

OpulentBob said:

Who in their right mind wants to sit with defenders of child abuse (who knows, maybe even the perpetrators of it) and "discuss" the issues aka listen to why it's the white slag bhes fault?

Somebody has to talk to these people. Somebody has to keep repeating the basic truths until they start to listen. Until we get these people to understand then the potential for the problem to remain well into the future is there.
Magnum and his mates are either a part of the problem (directly or indirectly) or they can maybe form part of the solution. Thousands of kids is worth making the effort for. If talking fails then it fails, but we have to make the effort do we not? Otherwise we're just hypocrites imho.
I'll willingly get my hands in the muck if it saves a few kids

Magnum and his mates? another insult.

[heppers75]

Bill said:

heppers75 said:

I have to be honest Bill I and I do not believe others are pointing a finger at an 'entire' community at all.

What is being stated is that there is clearly an issue within certain communities as the statistics are showing us such, is that right or wrong and/or true or false?

And then two posts below:

Twincharge said:

I agree with this point, however ignorance is not an excuse. The community has a moral responsibility and should be held accountable. After all, it could be anyone's child.

Sorry what is that supposed to be showing me?

[s1962a]

Twincharge said:

Bill said:

The point I'm trying to make is that it's not unreasonable to believe that most of the law abiding majority had little or no idea what was going on and pointing fingers at the community as a whole will get people's backs up.

I agree with this point, however ignorance is not an excuse. The community has a moral responsibility and should be held accountable. After all, it could be anyone's child.

Do you refer to the entire Pakistani community in the UK, or the local Pakistani communities in the towns affected?

Don't be shy - explain what you mean so it can be discussed and debated.

[billzeebub]

magnum555 said:

OpulentBob said:

Who in their right mind wants to sit with defenders of child abuse (who knows, maybe even the perpetrators of it) and "discuss" the issues aka listen to why it's the white slag bhes fault?

Another Keyboard warrior, that's right you sit in your bedroom spouting rubbish on the internet.

Magnum your views are as misguided as your choice of vehicle, but rather more dangerous

[Twincharge]

I think we have to remember that it is a very small minority, a gang of sorts that are carrying on with this crap. It is not the 'community' at all, however, the community should have a handle on these issues and not ignore them or fear to tackle them.

[Bill]

NomduJour said:

Bill said:

it's not unreasonable to believe that most of the law abiding majority had little or no idea what was going on and pointing fingers at the community as a whole will get people's backs up.

Suspect that might be a rather naive assumption viewed from a very different standpoint.

Inevitable that an awful lot of blind eyes have been turned.

Quite possibly. I'll admit I assumed initially that the police and authorities couldn't possibly have ignored the problem for years and have been proved wrong. But these are ordinary people and it's quite a leap for them to go from wondering if their neighbour or family member is up to a bit of tax fiddling or visits prostitutes to suspect them of trafficking children for sex.

[PRTVR]

anonymous said:

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Could I ask why you want tonker to discuss the issues ?
When it has been reported today, that the Pakistani councillors are refusing to speak to the press or anyone about what has gone on, people at the centre of the problem keeping quite, the problem may be deeper than just the people who carried out the crime.

[Twincharge]

s1962a said:

Do you refer to the entire Pakistani community in the UK, or the local Pakistani communities in the towns affected?

Don't be shy - explain what you mean so it can be discussed and debated.

I think all large Pakistani communities need to ensure this does not happen, and to be vigilant. As for Rotherham, the community has obviously failed to identify or acknowledge the problem. They need a wake up call, and need to start tackling the issue head on, to ensure it can never happen again.

[Rude-boy]

magnum555 said:

Resorting to insults now?

How about we all meet in this town and discuss the issues with the community? Any takers or are you all keyboard warriors?

I'm not likely to be much use in the debate as it's not a topic I have a vast knowledge off, nor a town I have any connection to. I would however be happy to offer my services as a Chairperson for the discussions.

It would be nice to hear what 'The Community' has to say about this and what actions they are taking to remove the individuals responsible for such vile crimes.

[Bill]

graphene said:

I know, but considering you have told people not to goad and insult, my post contained neither, yet others that are obviously doing both, remain.

I disagree, it seemed a fairly clear insinuation, but I apologise if I was wrong. Either way it's gone now so let's move on.

[MrCarPark]

Twincharge said:

I think we have to remember that it is a very small minority, a gang of sorts that are carrying on with this crap. It is not the 'community' at all, however, the community should have a handle on these issues and not ignore them or fear to tackle them.
...
I think all large Pakistani communities need to ensure this does not happen, and to be vigilant. As for Rotherham, the community has obviously failed to identify or acknowledge the problem. They need a wake up call, and need to start tackling the issue head on, to ensure it can never happen again.

How can they 'have a handle' on organised crime? On gangs that rule by violence?

I'm genuinely intrigued to know what people think is possible in this case. Expecting 'the community' to address the issues seems too nebulous.

[simes43]

Rude-boy said:

I'm not likely to be much use in the debate as it's not a topic I have a vast knowledge off, nor a town I have any connection to. I would however be happy to offer my services as a Chairperson for the discussions.

It would be nice to hear what 'The Community' has to say about this and what actions they are taking to remove the individuals responsible for such vile crimes.

The little white girls corrupted our honourable sons......

[Twincharge]

MrCarPark said:

How can they 'have a handle' on organised crime? On gangs that rule by violence?

I'm genuinely intrigued to know what people think is possible in this case. Expecting 'the community' to address the issues seems too nebulous.

Well, starting by talking about the issues and not ignoring them is a step in the right direction, to make others aware that they are being watched.

It has been proven that it is not always organised crime gangs that do this, sometimes it is just a group of individuals who are all from the same background.