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freakybacon

549 posts

162 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Labour M.P. suggesting the government should take over running of South Yorkshire Police if Shaun Wright doesn't quit.Nowt about a clean sweep in rotten Rotherham Council itself.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/28/rot...

Report also states anti-ukip child snatcher & common purpose drone Joyce Thacker intends to keep her job.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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FredClogs said:
Smiler. said:
Anyhow, did Pakistan exist before partition?
Well... I checked Wikipedia and it says...
Hellish complex question.

You can summarise how hard it is to explain by recounting the experience of the East India Corporation officer's experience as they moved through the North West Frontier Province. As they moved westwards, scouts would report back with sketch maps of the next bit territory they were heading into. A short way in, these maps began to resemble graph paper and the officers question what, exactly, they were looking at - the reply was each 'square' was effectively a walled village or citadel, each in some sort of conflict with one or more of its neighbours.

You can also further complicate matter by considering that at the time, the EIC was mainly groups of locals, led by a British officer. The were drawn from virtually all local religions - Sikh, Hindu, Muslim - and were united in helping the British to reform what was a fairly corrupt and unfair law and tax regime.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Digga said:
....and were united in helping the British to reform what was a fairly corrupt and unfair law and tax regime.
How things change wink

Jinx

11,345 posts

259 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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FiF said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Nice to see that Ed Milliband has finally come out to express his disgust at.....

Oh sorry no, he hasn't yet. He's just hit his Twitter feed to mock the Tories for the defecting UKIP MP.

Because lets face it, that is far more important than 1400 raped girls.

Offences that were carried out from 1997 onward, when the Labour party came to power.

Offences that were carried out under a Labour council.

Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour run Social Services Department.

Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour party member who was head of child services and is now Police Commissioner for the area and is now refusing to resign fuelling the disgust of the whole nation. Why there is even a photograph of Milliband shaking his hand while campaigning for that scumbags election.

Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour MP who was later found out to be guilty of defrauding the electorate and seemingly doesn't seem to feel even the remotest iota of guilt for it.

But its ok, laughing at the Tories and saying that they don't care for hard working families is far more important than addressing those issues, eh Ed?

You .
As much as I hate Miliband and Labour, particularly the South Yorkshire lot, a bit of that comment is unfair.

There is the inference above that the offences were committed from 1997 and thus implying that prior to Labour coming into power all was sweetness and light.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

It was 1997 when the Risky Business project was set up as a team of social workers in an outreach project to children at risk of CSE. It could be argued that it was Labour who responded to staff reports of significant CSE and it wasdown to Labour that tthe council was able to give continuous financial support.

One suspects that the recent report starts the timeline at 1997 because this was when the project started. However the abuse itself started under a Tory government.

Did they not provide the funds or was it the usual case where local councils run by the party in opposition nationally make very political but unwise funding decisions. I don't know the answer to this.

However it makes it worse that having recognised the problem they then fked it up so spectacularly.
I'm with HT on this one - this is a direct consequence of Labour's social experiment and a direct consequence of Labour's (and Lib-dums) political correctness obsession. Is ethnic diversity worth 1400 childhoods?

FiF

43,964 posts

250 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Samira Ahmed a must read.
http://gu.com/p/4x4a6

Also a comment which may or may not be valid in respect of a certain poster's continual attempts to offer out discussions on the ground. The press conference to announce the report was called at very short notice during a banl holiday. Many media organisations had trouble attending. However the few that made it, including TV crews were hassled by significant gatherings of the 'usual suspects' in an attempt to prevent coverage.

Finally if the issue of the SYP PCC with not only his own party but the Home Secretary suggesting he should fall on his sword isn't enough to damage Cameron's useless policy we now have the Bedfordshire PCC suspended.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Jinx said:
I'm with HT on this one - this is a direct consequence of Labour's social experiment and a direct consequence of Labour's (and Lib-dums) political correctness obsession. Is ethnic diversity worth 1400 childhoods?
& to think there is good chance they will be back in power soon. frown

1400 is just the ones we know about in Rotherham. I expect the total tally will be much higher.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Mermaid said:
Digga said:
....and were united in helping the British to reform what was a fairly corrupt and unfair law and tax regime.
How things change wink
My potted history was the roughest of broadbrush sketches on the back of a postage stamp, and the area now known as Pakistan is huge, but I do think one of the great failures of the British empire was India.

Had other events - two world wars - not conspired to derail our resolve and resources, we might have paved the way for better integration and, who knows, perhaps the success might have shown the good side of colonialism. Partition might have been avoided and that part of the world map might still have been pink.

heebeegeetee

28,596 posts

247 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Countdown said:
Sorry, I'm not with you. Yes, literacy rates are variable in Pakistan but I would be surprised if the majority of these criminals werent UK born and raised.
I agree, but they're born and raised in families with entrenched views on the world, which clearly have not changed in the younger generations.

They are also firmly enmeshed within a strong religion which has many perverse views on life and how societies should function.

Plus people continue to come from the region, people who are unlikely to be fully literate and will have been brought up in such a way that they will not assimilate to a western lifestyle.

heebeegeetee

28,596 posts

247 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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I'm thinking a bit about the record of the South Yorkshire Police too.

I'm thinking miners strike, Hillsborough, Rotherham and Sir Cliff Richard.

Is there anything else I should be thinking of, and am I right in thinking it a completely dysfunctional police service?

irocfan

40,153 posts

189 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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I can't believe I'm saying this but.... Diane Abbottttt has a good article about this below

http://www.leftfutures.org/2014/08/avoiding-charge...

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Guam said:
heebeegeetee said:
I'm thinking a bit about the record of the South Yorkshire Police too.

I'm thinking miners strike, Hillsborough, Rotherham and Sir Cliff Richard.

Is there anything else I should be thinking of, and am I right in thinking it a completely dysfunctional police service?
This one has just appeared, seriously how messed up are the Police these days?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2736845/BR...
The heaven and hell joke from the 70's/80's comes to mind:

Heaven: Brits are the policemen, Germans the mechanics, Italians the Lovers, French the cooks & and Swiss the organisers.

Hell: Brits the cooks, Germans the Policemen, Italians the organisers, Swiss the lovers and French the Mechanics.


& now? Brit cooking has improved. smile

FiF

43,964 posts

250 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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heebeegeetee said:
I'm thinking a bit about the record of the South Yorkshire Police too.

I'm thinking miners strike, Hillsborough, Rotherham and Sir Cliff Richard.

Is there anything else I should be thinking of, and am I right in thinking it a completely dysfunctional police service?
Buggered off to Derbyshire in 79, realised with the Bookbinder shambles life was no better there. Political interference by tts is the problem.

FiF

43,964 posts

250 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Jinx said:
FiF said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Nice to see that Ed Milliband has finally come out to express his disgust at.....

Oh sorry no, he hasn't yet. He's just hit his Twitter feed to mock the Tories for the defecting UKIP MP.

Because lets face it, that is far more important than 1400 raped girls.

Offences that were carried out from 1997 onward, when the Labour party came to power.

Offences that were carried out under a Labour council.

Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour run Social Services Department.

Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour party member who was head of child services and is now Police Commissioner for the area and is now refusing to resign fuelling the disgust of the whole nation. Why there is even a photograph of Milliband shaking his hand while campaigning for that scumbags election.

Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour MP who was later found out to be guilty of defrauding the electorate and seemingly doesn't seem to feel even the remotest iota of guilt for it.

But its ok, laughing at the Tories and saying that they don't care for hard working families is far more important than addressing those issues, eh Ed?

You .
As much as I hate Miliband and Labour, particularly the South Yorkshire lot, a bit of that comment is unfair.

There is the inference above that the offences were committed from 1997 and thus implying that prior to Labour coming into power all was sweetness and light.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

It was 1997 when the Risky Business project was set up as a team of social workers in an outreach project to children at risk of CSE. It could be argued that it was Labour who responded to staff reports of significant CSE and it wasdown to Labour that tthe council was able to give continuous financial support.

One suspects that the recent report starts the timeline at 1997 because this was when the project started. However the abuse itself started under a Tory government.

Did they not provide the funds or was it the usual case where local councils run by the party in opposition nationally make very political but unwise funding decisions. I don't know the answer to this.

However it makes it worse that having recognised the problem they then fked it up so spectacularly.
I'm with HT on this one - this is a direct consequence of Labour's social experiment and a direct consequence of Labour's (and Lib-dums) political correctness obsession. Is ethnic diversity worth 1400 childhoods?
No argument but the abuse didn't start under a Labour government which was my point. The clusterfk in failing to deal with it due to PC fright was and remains at the door of Labour and the left however.

MrCarPark

528 posts

140 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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irocfan said:
I can't believe I'm saying this but.... Diane Abbottttt has a good article about this below

http://www.leftfutures.org/2014/08/avoiding-charge...
I hope she does what a good MP should do and use all her powers to get the main players in this tragedy in front of Parliament and the cameras.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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MrCarPark said:
irocfan said:
I can't believe I'm saying this but.... Diane Abbottttt has a good article about this below

http://www.leftfutures.org/2014/08/avoiding-charge...
I hope she does what a good MP should do and use all her powers to get the main players in this tragedy in front of Parliament and the cameras.
TBH, that piece is as good an example of PC buzzword bingo as anything. It is not a solution, but a perpetuation of the language of eggshell-treading pandering to the habitually offended.

We don't need to consider words like racism or mysogyny, it's not helpful and diverts from the basic failings; people not doing their jobs and people not treating others like human beings. Until or unless there are seen to be consequences for all involved, nothing will change.

The Hypno-Toad

12,249 posts

204 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Those interesting 'gentlemen' the EDL have just announced they will be holding a demonstration in Rotherham on the 13th of September @ 14.00

That could get interesting..

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Looks like Magnum has got his wish after all hehe


Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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heebeegeetee said:
I agree, but they're born and raised in families with entrenched views on the world, which clearly have not changed in the younger generations.
I agree with you to an extent. As far as I can see the ones who were involved just wanted sex, a big taboo in the muslim community. The Asian taxi driving community isn't exactly overflowing with the casanova types, combined with the fact that they will be seeing attractive women dressed to the nines every weekend who wouldn't give them the time of day. So they wanted women, and the only women they could "get" were young vulnerable girls.

Why did it go on unreported for so long? My guess is that it wasn't common knowledge among the wider community. Those that were aware of the girls being involved would have been told by the perpetrators that they were just (a) "girlfriends" or (b) prostitutes. The cultural taboo around "sex" led to all this being ignored or brushed under the carpet.

heebeegeetee said:
They are also firmly enmeshed within a strong religion which has many perverse views on life and how societies should function.
I don't think religion played a part in this. What they did was pretty much the exact opposite of what the imams tend to teach.

heebeegeetee said:
Plus people continue to come from the region, people who are unlikely to be fully literate and will have been brought up in such a way that they will not assimilate to a western lifestyle.
Fortunately it's become much more difficult to move from the Indian sub-continent to the UK. Once they close the student loophole it will hopefully become even harder.

heebeegeetee

28,596 posts

247 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Countdown said:
I don't think religion played a part in this. What they did was pretty much the exact opposite of what the imams tend to teach.
Again I agree, but it seems to be that when people live under a strong religion then their humanity seems to go out of the window.

I think we see this everywhere that strong religion prevails.

We are seeing it in the middle east at the moment, where we're told the British born and bred jihadis are the worst; we see it in places like Rotherham; we saw it in Ireland where the behaviour of the catholic church could hardly have been worse.

I often fear that under strong religion their is no protection for children, and nothing about the Rotherham case is dissuading me of this.

PorkInsider

5,877 posts

140 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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WinstonWolf said:
Looks like Magnum has got his wish after all hehe
Indeed.

And I would envisage a huge turnout with neither 'side' doing themselves any favours in the eyes of the wider public.

What really isn't needed is something like this to detract from the issue and give the wrong people the chance to proclaim themselves 'victims'.