Foster Children removed from couple for UKIP membership

Foster Children removed from couple for UKIP membership

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smegmore

3,091 posts

176 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Blib said:
thinfourth2 said:
Lesson 1

When anyone in officialdom asks what your political leanings are the only correct answer is Labour

Anything else is seen as being wrong
nono

When anyone in officaldom asks, tell them to fk right off.
This. Nobody's business but yours.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Blib said:
thinfourth2 said:
Lesson 1

When anyone in officialdom asks what your political leanings are the only correct answer is Labour

Anything else is seen as being wrong
nono

When anyone in officaldom asks, tell them to fk right off.
While I applaud the sentiment that is unlikely to be advantageous to your status as a foster carer.

Blib

44,141 posts

197 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Einion Yrth said:
Blib said:
thinfourth2 said:
Lesson 1

When anyone in officialdom asks what your political leanings are the only correct answer is Labour

Anything else is seen as being wrong
nono

When anyone in officaldom asks, tell them to fk right off.
While I applaud the sentiment that is unlikely to be advantageous to your status as a foster carer.
No one has any right to ask about your political affiliations. If they do, they should be reported.

MX7

7,902 posts

174 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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BOR said:
The social workers are "damned if they do, damned if they don't"

They are responsible for the safety of the kids they place, and, with the best will in the world, a lot of UKIP members have a tendency to the sendemback.

The majority might not be racist, but they sure don't like The Foreign.

Is it worth the risk ?
That's the problem. People like you are willing to label any organisation that questions anything to do with immigration as being suspect.

Gordon Brown would describe you as a "lazy elitist". I think he's being very kind.


It's a horrific decision. Unfortunately there are some who are so stupid that they consider anything right of centre to be a threat.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Blib said:
Einion Yrth said:
Blib said:
thinfourth2 said:
Lesson 1

When anyone in officialdom asks what your political leanings are the only correct answer is Labour

Anything else is seen as being wrong
nono

When anyone in officaldom asks, tell them to fk right off.
While I applaud the sentiment that is unlikely to be advantageous to your status as a foster carer.
No one has any right to ask about your political affiliations. If they do, they should be reported.
Nor do they have the right to decide upon your fitness as a foster carer dpendant upon any such affiliation expressed, this plainly does not stop them.

eldar

21,760 posts

196 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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BOR said:
The social workers are "damned if they do, damned if they don't"

They are responsible for the safety of the kids they place, and, with the best will in the world, a lot of UKIP members have a tendency to the sendemback.

The majority might not be racist, but they sure don't like The Foreign.

Is it worth the risk ?
What actually is the risk? In the care of parents who are prepared to embark on a painful and stressful journey to care for children (in this case not wasps),
or the care of a Council is more concerned abut politics than welfare.


Grenoble

50,523 posts

155 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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eldar said:
Rotherham Borough Council's Strategic Director of Children and Young People's Services, Joyce Thacker, told the BBC: "We always try to place children in a sensible cultural placement.

"These children are not UK children and we were not aware of the foster parents having strong political views. There are some strong views in the UKIP party and we have to think of the future of the children."
I'll wait for the full story. Suppose the parents had said in interview that they though the UKIP views were a good start but that they should repatriate everyone, but that they were happy to look after these kids this time?

However, from what I have seen so far, Joyce Thacker will be lucky to see out the weekend in her job - and if the facts are as presented, a good job too..


Andy Zarse

10,868 posts

247 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Grenoble said:
I'll wait for the full story. Suppose the parents had said in interview that they though the UKIP views were a good start but that they should repatriate everyone, but that they were happy to look after these kids this time?
Yes, while you wait for the full story why not invent some utter baloney for us to read?

Grenoble

50,523 posts

155 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Andy Zarse said:
Yes, while you wait for the full story why not invent some utter baloney for us to read?
Chillout...

My point was that we haven't yet heard the full story.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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brenflys777 said:
None of UKIP policies are racist, but they do have a policy on reducing immigration. I hope there is a form of legal challenge available here because this appears to be an action brought about by prejudice and ignorance on the part of the social workers. The hypocrisy is shameful.
All the parties have policies aimed at reducing, or at least controlling immigration.

Millipede has recently been slagging off the government for not doing enough in this area.

This is a disgrace, and the woman who was on the BBC this morning, trying to alternately defend it and blame it on their legal advisors should be ashamed of herself. And out of a job.

chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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BOR said:
eldar said:
"These children are not UK children and we were not aware of the foster parents having strong political views. There are some strong views in the UKIP party and we have to think of the future of the children."
The social workers are "damned if they do, damned if they don't"

They are responsible for the safety of the kids they place, and, with the best will in the world, a lot of UKIP members have a tendency to the sendemback.

The majority might not be racist, but they sure don't like The Foreign.

Is it worth the risk ?
You utterly contemptible pillock!

essexplumber

7,751 posts

173 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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So are we to assume that Rotherham Council would be happy for foster children to be in the care of people with far left views, SWP, CPGB etc?

This is political discrimination at its worst. Never mind that the children were being given great care and were healthy and happy, they just didn't want to risk affecting their cultural and ethnic heritage by living with whitey!

I wonder how many familys from (as RC see it) suitable ethnic families are on the foster list? This is why so many needy children are in care homes, too many over zealous officials with warped ideas on who should and shouldn't offer warm and loving homes to children who's immediate need is a warm bed and a full tummy and not an ethnic or politicaly compatable situation.

Grenoble

50,523 posts

155 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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essexplumber said:
This is why so many needy children are in care homes, too many over zealous officials with warped ideas on who should and shouldn't offer warm and loving homes to children who's immediate need is a warm bed and a full tummy and not an ethnic or politicaly compatable situation.
Agreed 100%. In the hierarchy of needs, the politics should be a long way down the discussion list after warm, secure, loving home.

MX7

7,902 posts

174 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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rover 623gsi said:
okay - just seen that quote.
Read the thread before you post.

rover 623gsi said:
I don't see how membership of any legal, political party should have any bearing on the ability of anyone to be a foster parent.
The National Front is legal because we have a tolerant and liberal attitude in this country. It doesn't mean that just because a party is legal, it is desirable that it's members become foster parents.

I think that the NF approaches racial hatred, and it is quite open about it's policies that discriminate due to colour or ethnicity. I can't see why an openly racist person would ever make a good foster parent.

This is about someone who is too stupid to understand UKIP's policies.


Cupramax

10,480 posts

252 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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I'm really lost for words at this whole thing. The sooner the council jobsworth idiots that made this decision are out of a job and publicly vilified for an unprecedented level of cretiny the better smash

Andy Zarse

10,868 posts

247 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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MX7 said:
The National Front is legal because we have a tolerant and liberal attitude in this country. It doesn't mean that just because a party is legal, it is desirable that it's members become foster parents.

I think that the NF approaches racial hatred, and it is quite open about it's policies that discriminate due to colour or ethnicity. I can't see why an openly racist person would ever make a good foster parent.

This is about someone who is too stupid to understand UKIP's policies.
And UKIP's policies are what, precisely?

MX7

7,902 posts

174 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Andy Zarse said:
And UKIP's policies are what, precisely?
www.ukip.org

Engineer1

10,486 posts

209 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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rover 623gsi said:
eldar said:
rover 623gsi said:
not a UKIP supporter by any means but if true then this story is outrageous. However, we only have the couple's word that it is their membership of UKIP is what caused the children to removed from their care.
No we don't. Both 'sides' agree.

Rotherham Borough Council's Strategic Director of Children and Young People's Services, Joyce Thacker, told the BBC: "We always try to place children in a sensible cultural placement.

"These children are not UK children and we were not aware of the foster parents having strong political views. There are some strong views in the UKIP party and we have to think of the future of the children."
okay - just seen that quote. In which case, it is a completely ridiculous decision by the council. I don't see how membership of any legal, political party should have any bearing on the ability of anyone to be a foster parent.
I on the other hand do, if you are fostering a foreign child then making an attempt to keep some of their foreign identity, I strongly suspect there is a lot more to this story.

The people saying you should tell the authorities to do one when they ask your politics seem to be missing the point as a foster parent you are looking after someone else's kids, they aren't your kids they may go back to their parents so matching the parent's identities as much as possible is a good idea.

Mst007

472 posts

222 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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@engineer, you support the decision then?

Andy Zarse

10,868 posts

247 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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MX7 said:
Oh thanks. I never thought of looking on the UKIP website...

What I was asking, as you realise fine well, is what particular policies you were referring to. Which is why I used the word precisely in my original question.