Foster Children removed from couple for UKIP membership

[mattnunn]

BliarOut said:

You did you 'tard

When?

[BliarOut]

mattnunn said:

BliarOut said:

You did you 'tard

When?

Otter.

[FiF]

As the OP.

Enough!!!!!

[mattnunn]

thinfourth2 said:

Erm apart from where you said UKIP voters are racist

I never said any such thing, well I did but it was a direct quote of David Cameron, I said UKIP have some racist policies, such as denial of equality to asylum seekers and new comers to these shores, denial of basic health services to people who aren't british and stopping any aid for people claiming or appealing to our immigration laws. You can read their website it's there in black and white, they would seggregate and treat people differently based on their ethnic, cultural and national idenitity - 'tis racist. We don't currently have an open door policy, we have a policy based on international law and common decency to people seeking refuge from persecution

thinfourth2 said:

The multiculturalism driven by councils and the white guilt lot is not about help and guidance. It is about encouraging groups to be completely separate and taking the policies pushed forwards by muppets to their logical conclusion then we are out the back of the school shooting 14 year old girls in the head.

It's not actually, it's about providing people with security and providing protection of peoples cultural and "racial" identity, telling them it's okay not to be bullied into fitting in by people who don't understand your way of life. We the Great British people respect your right and will protect your right to be different from us - welcome to our country. The idea that there is some great conspiracy to over throw our way of life by a collection of disperate immigrants is daft.

I'd be suprised even in the most radical of imported thought processes in the country that you'd find anyone in any council supporting the killing of young girls who wish to be educated.

Multicuturalism may not be the resounding success that people hoped it would, but to paint it as some sort of manipulated evil done to the British public is a bit harsh, more like a bit of an honest mistake or a misjudgment. People get things wrong, they change and adapt over time and things get better. As pointed out all the major political parties are accepting of this. It's a bit knee jerk to start painting "Fit in and Contribute or fk Off" on the white cliffs of Dover - eh?

[BliarOut]

mattnunn said:

thinfourth2 said:

Erm apart from where you said UKIP voters are racist

I never said any such thing, well I did but it was a direct quote of David Cameron, I said UKIP have some racist policies, such as denial of equality to asylum seekers and new comers to these shores, denial of basic health services to people who aren't british and stopping any aid for people claiming or appealing to our immigration laws. You can read their website it's there in black and white, they would seggregate and treat people differently based on their ethnic, cultural and national idenitity - 'tis racist. We don't currently have an open door policy, we have a policy based on international law and common decency to people seeking refuge from persecution

thinfourth2 said:

The multiculturalism driven by councils and the white guilt lot is not about help and guidance. It is about encouraging groups to be completely separate and taking the policies pushed forwards by muppets to their logical conclusion then we are out the back of the school shooting 14 year old girls in the head.

It's not actually, it's about providing people with security and providing protection of peoples cultural and "racial" identity, telling them it's okay not to be bullied into fitting in by people who don't understand your way of life. We the Great British people respect your right and will protect your right to be different from us - welcome to our country. The idea that there is some great conspiracy to over throw our way of life by a collection of disperate immigrants is daft.

I'd be suprised even in the most radical of imported thought processes in the country that you'd find anyone in any council supporting the killing of young girls who wish to be educated.

Multicuturalism may not be the resounding success that people hoped it would, but to paint it as some sort of manipulated evil done to the British public is a bit harsh, more like a bit of an honest mistake or a misjudgment. People get things wrong, they change and adapt over time and things get better. As pointed out all the major political parties are accepting of this. It's a bit knee jerk to start painting "Fit in and Contribute or fk Off" on the white cliffs of Dover - eh?

But you still think the Welsh are sheep shaggers?

[thinfourth2]

mattnunn said:

thinfourth2 said:

Erm apart from where you said UKIP voters are racist

I never said any such thing, well I did but it was a direct quote of David Cameron,

mattnunn said:

You don't have to be a loonie and a racist to be a member of UKIP - but it helps.

UKIP members are probably on the whole loonies and racists - as David Cameron once said.

mattnunn said:

quotes from some UKIP members it's very difficult to support the idea that they aren't a bunch of racists and xenophobes, especially concerning comments about dismantling any idea of "multiculturalism" in favour of presumably a "monocultural" view of Britain in the image of Nigel Farage and his ilk.

Anyway can't spend much time round here i'm turning over a new leaf

I'm going to embrace multiculturalism

All i need is an AK47 and a 14 year old schoolgirl

[thinfourth2]

BliarOut said:

But you still think the Welsh are sheep shaggers?

Of course not

We all know thats aberdonians

[BliarOut]

And Picts...

[thinfourth2]

BliarOut said:

And Picts...

Nah can't see it

Sheep aren't that stupid

[longblackcoat]

thinfourth2 said:

I'm going to embrace multiculturalism

All i need is an AK47 and a 14 year old schoolgirl

Multiculturalism = Taliban?

What the fk have you been smoking??

[FiF]

On a very simple level though, the point is that the British are a mongrel nation, as is the British culture, formed by the arrival of people from all over the world by invitation, acceptance into security from danger and earlier by invasion. This has resulted in a much richer mix and life than without. Majority of British are very welcome for this to continue and appreciate this.

However what irritates people is, for example, when a group come in for whatever reason, into what they know is essentially a Christian country, be one a botherer or not, and then demand changes as they are offended by the word Christmas.

Is this a line in the sand? I don't know. Yet it seems that people do get upset by this, and get upset by the local council telling it has to be Winter Festival or some such and their village Christmas market that has been going on for years racist.

[thinfourth2]

FiF said:

On a very simple level though, the point is that the British are a mongrel nation, as is the British culture, formed by the arrival of people from all over the world by invitation, acceptance into security from danger and earlier by invasion. This has resulted in a much richer mix and life than without. Majority of British are very welcome for this to continue and appreciate this.

However what irritates people is, for example, when a group come in for whatever reason, into what they know is essentially a Christian country, be one a botherer or not, and then demand changes as they are offended by the word Christmas.

Is this a line in the sand? I don't know. Yet it seems that people do get upset by this, and get upset by the local council telling it has to be Winter Festival or some such and their village Christmas market that has been going on for years racist.

Ah but this is the problem with right on multiculturalism.

I doubt if any immigrant has ever complained about christmas. Its white idiots on a guilt trip that complain about it and have decided that our culture is somehow wrong and must be forced to change by using laws as us whities are too horrible to accept other cultures unless threatened with a change in the law.

[thinfourth2]

longblackcoat said:

Multiculturalism = Taliban?

What the fk have you been smoking??

racist

[longblackcoat]

thinfourth2 said:

racist

Are you as much of an idiot as you appear? I mean, is it natural, or do you have to work at it?

Either way, you're doing a good job of it.

[loafer123]

longblackcoat said:

thinfourth2 said:

racist

Are you as much of an idiot as you appear? I mean, is it natural, or do you have to work at it?

Either way, you're doing a good job of it.

I suspect he was reacting to the village idiot that is embodied in mattnunn, and that it was meant to be funny.

Success is in the eye of the beholder, I guess...!

[DJRC]

It is annoying because Britain has, is and always will be a mongrel nation by its definition of being. During the days of Empire and Commonwealth that only became more so and somehow we managed to get by just fine. New communities came in, established themselves and added to the culture. We are by definition "multicultural" and frankly its largely OK with us all.

What grates is then having some ahole political ideology shoved down our throats for no reason, no benefit and no point.

Britain does not have a problem with immigration or integration, it has a problem with aggressive anti-integration and the perceived unfairness of welfare immigration.

When I was growing up, the notion that your corner shop was run by Indians or "s" wasnt a problem, it was in fact taken for granted and they were a welcome addition to the community. Open late, useful items you just needed to nip out for 2 mins for. They dressed funny, they played funny music but then frankly so did MC Hammer, Boy George and Grace Jones. The problem now is in the 2nd and 3rd generation of immigrants who are rebelling against integration and in newer more religiously and socially aggressive immigrants who are demanding a parallel society, not an integrated one. An official, beaurocratic backed policy of "multiculturalism" effectively enshrines that parallel society as a quasi-legally backed "social right".

That is a world away from previous generations of immigration in Britain.

[BigMacDaddy]

DJRC said:

It is annoying because Britain has, is and always will be a mongrel nation by its definition of being. During the days of Empire and Commonwealth that only became more so and somehow we managed to get by just fine. New communities came in, established themselves and added to the culture. We are by definition "multicultural" and frankly its largely OK with us all.

What grates is then having some ahole political ideology shoved down our throats for no reason, no benefit and no point.

Britain does not have a problem with immigration or integration, it has a problem with aggressive anti-integration and the perceived unfairness of welfare immigration.

When I was growing up, the notion that your corner shop was run by Indians or "s" wasnt a problem, it was in fact taken for granted and they were a welcome addition to the community. Open late, useful items you just needed to nip out for 2 mins for. They dressed funny, they played funny music but then frankly so did MC Hammer, Boy George and Grace Jones. The problem now is in the 2nd and 3rd generation of immigrants who are rebelling against integration and in newer more religiously and socially aggressive immigrants who are demanding a parallel society, not an integrated one. An official, beaurocratic backed policy of "multiculturalism" effectively enshrines that parallel society as a quasi-legally backed "social right".

That is a world away from previous generations of immigration in Britain.

Absolutely spot-on.

[Andy Zarse]

mattnunn said:

thinfourth2 said:

Erm apart from where you said UKIP voters are racist

I never said any such thing, well I did but it was a direct quote of David Cameron, I said UKIP have some racist policies, such as denial of equality to asylum seekers and new comers to these shores, denial of basic health services to people who aren't british and stopping any aid for people claiming or appealing to our immigration laws. You can read their website it's there in black and white, they would seggregate and treat people differently based on their ethnic, cultural and national idenitity - 'tis racist. We don't currently have an open door policy, we have a policy based on international law and common decency to people seeking refuge from persecution

thinfourth2 said:

The multiculturalism driven by councils and the white guilt lot is not about help and guidance. It is about encouraging groups to be completely separate and taking the policies pushed forwards by muppets to their logical conclusion then we are out the back of the school shooting 14 year old girls in the head.

It's not actually, it's about providing people with security and providing protection of peoples cultural and "racial" identity, telling them it's okay not to be bullied into fitting in by people who don't understand your way of life. We the Great British people respect your right and will protect your right to be different from us - welcome to our country. The idea that there is some great conspiracy to over throw our way of life by a collection of disperate immigrants is daft.

I'd be suprised even in the most radical of imported thought processes in the country that you'd find anyone in any council supporting the killing of young girls who wish to be educated.

Multicuturalism may not be the resounding success that people hoped it would, but to paint it as some sort of manipulated evil done to the British public is a bit harsh, more like a bit of an honest mistake or a misjudgment. People get things wrong, they change and adapt over time and things get better. As pointed out all the major political parties are accepting of this. It's a bit knee jerk to start painting "Fit in and Contribute or fk Off" on the white cliffs of Dover - eh?

Yes, I've just been "treated differently based on my ethnic, cultural and national identity". At immigration in Curacao there were two queues; one for Citizens of the Netherlands Antillies, and then there was another for Other Citizens. As you say, 'tis racist. And from black people too! You would think they'd know how unpleasant it is wouldn't you.

If I'm not mistaken your arguement is that everyone who manages to get into the UK, irrespective of their nationality, legal status or how they got here, should be treated exactly the same and entitled to the same level of what you term "aid" and what the rest of us call the right to health care, housing, schooling, benefits, pensions, social services and probably free access to the public library.

[mattnunn]

Andy Zarse said:

If I'm not mistaken your arguement is that everyone who manages to get into the UK, irrespective of their nationality, legal status or how they got here, should be treated exactly the same and entitled to the same level of what you term "aid" and what the rest of us call the right to health care, housing, schooling, benefits, pensions, social services and probably free access to the public library.

Illegals should be expatriated obviously.

Everyone else who is in the UK, legally resident or awaiting legal residency should be treated with equality. Yes of course. Who wouldn't agree to this? Oh... UKIP, sorry that's right, they want immigrants to live as second class citizens.

[smegmore]

mattnunn said:

Illegals should be expatriated obviously.

Everyone else who is in the UK, legally resident or awaiting legal residency should be treated with equality. Yes of course. Who wouldn't agree to this? Oh... UKIP, sorry that's right, they want immigrants to live as second class citizens.

Are you clinically insane ??