Foster Children removed from couple for UKIP membership
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mattnunn said:
Illegals should be expatriated obviously.
Everyone else who is in the UK, legally resident or awaiting legal residency should be treated with equality. Yes of course. Who wouldn't agree to this? Oh... UKIP, sorry that's right, they want immigrants to live as second class citizens.
Prove itEveryone else who is in the UK, legally resident or awaiting legal residency should be treated with equality. Yes of course. Who wouldn't agree to this? Oh... UKIP, sorry that's right, they want immigrants to live as second class citizens.
Art0ir said:
mattnunn said:
UKIP, sorry that's right, they want immigrants to live as second class citizens.
Show some proof. Not waffle, proof. Point to a statement by Farage or a link to a policy that shows this.http://ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPlocalManifesto2012.p...
Page 5...
We WILL
Withhold all State benefits from immigrants for five
years.
blah blah blah
To pay for these commitments
We will
End benefits in cash or in kind to anyone who is not a
British citizen.
Marf said:
mattnunn said:
End benefits in cash or in kind to anyone who is not a
British citizen.
Hardly surprising given that they want to pull out of the EU and its EU legislation which mandates that we pay benefits to EU migrants in the UK.British citizen.
In other news the sky is blue and the grass is green.
mattnunn said:
Marf said:
mattnunn said:
End benefits in cash or in kind to anyone who is not a
British citizen.
Hardly surprising given that they want to pull out of the EU and its EU legislation which mandates that we pay benefits to EU migrants in the UK.British citizen.
In other news the sky is blue and the grass is green.
Your fetid attempts to make UKIP look insular and racist are failing repeatedly matt.
mattnunn said:
Andy Zarse said:
If I'm not mistaken your arguement is that everyone who manages to get into the UK, irrespective of their nationality, legal status or how they got here, should be treated exactly the same and entitled to the same level of what you term "aid" and what the rest of us call the right to health care, housing, schooling, benefits, pensions, social services and probably free access to the public library.
Illegals should be expatriated obviously.Everyone else who is in the UK, legally resident or awaiting legal residency should be treated with equality. Yes of course. Who wouldn't agree to this? Oh... UKIP, sorry that's right, they want immigrants to live as second class citizens.
mattnunn said:
UKIP Manifesto
http://ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPlocalManifesto2012.p...
Page 5...
We WILL
Withhold all State benefits from immigrants for five
years.
blah blah blah
To pay for these commitments
We will
End benefits in cash or in kind to anyone who is not a
British citizen.
http://ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPlocalManifesto2012.p...
Page 5...
We WILL
Withhold all State benefits from immigrants for five
years.
blah blah blah
To pay for these commitments
We will
End benefits in cash or in kind to anyone who is not a
British citizen.
Manifesto said:
End open-door immigration, which let in 3 million
people in 13 years. Like every other developed democracy
Withhold all State benefits from immigrants for five years. Like every other developed democracy
Introduce proper border controls. Like every other developed democracy
Increase UK Border Agency staff as needed. Like every other developed democracy
Freeze permanent immigration for five years until we sort out the system. Makes perfect sense, the system needs to settle itself and the welfare state needs to catch up
Deport all illegal immigrants and failed asylum seekers. Like every other developed democracy
Target working visas only on those with the skills we need. Like every other developed democracy
To pay for these commitments
We will End benefits in cash or in kind to anyone who is not a British citizen. Like every other developed democracy
What's the problem? Have you compared this Australia's immigration policy or the US's?people in 13 years. Like every other developed democracy
Withhold all State benefits from immigrants for five years. Like every other developed democracy
Introduce proper border controls. Like every other developed democracy
Increase UK Border Agency staff as needed. Like every other developed democracy
Freeze permanent immigration for five years until we sort out the system. Makes perfect sense, the system needs to settle itself and the welfare state needs to catch up
Deport all illegal immigrants and failed asylum seekers. Like every other developed democracy
Target working visas only on those with the skills we need. Like every other developed democracy
To pay for these commitments
We will End benefits in cash or in kind to anyone who is not a British citizen. Like every other developed democracy
Can you highlight which statement you have an issue with? You're really looking terribly desperate here. Tell me which point upsets you so much? That taxpayers shouldn't support non British Citizens? Show me any other non EU country that does.
Edited by Art0ir on Thursday 29th November 15:33
Marf said:
mattnunn said:
Marf said:
mattnunn said:
End benefits in cash or in kind to anyone who is not a
British citizen.
Hardly surprising given that they want to pull out of the EU and its EU legislation which mandates that we pay benefits to EU migrants in the UK.British citizen.
In other news the sky is blue and the grass is green.
Your fetid attempts to make UKIP look insular and racist are failing repeatedly matt.
Hmmm...
Exploitation based simple on birth place or ethnic origin is simply racism.
If it's designed to be a disincentive for foreign workers to come here then the 3 countries you mention would seem to suggest it doesn't work aswell, America probably has the highest number of illegals working and contributing to it's economy of any country in the world, and in the Southern state undoubtly has a two tier system of "status"
I emigrated to the US a few years ago, have since returned to Blighty. Had to go through some SERIOUS hoops to get a working Visa, in essence I had to have enough money to support myself, my family and 5 US citizens for 3 years. I had NO claim to any benefits at all. Do you believe the US is racist too, under Obama`s leadership! LOL...pratt
mattnunn said:
Marf said:
mattnunn said:
Marf said:
mattnunn said:
End benefits in cash or in kind to anyone who is not a
British citizen.
Hardly surprising given that they want to pull out of the EU and its EU legislation which mandates that we pay benefits to EU migrants in the UK.British citizen.
In other news the sky is blue and the grass is green.
Your fetid attempts to make UKIP look insular and racist are failing repeatedly matt.
Hmmm...
Exploitation based simple on birth place or ethnic origin is simply racism.
If it's designed to be a disincentive for foreign workers to come here then the 3 countries you mention would seem to suggest it doesn't work aswell, America probably has the highest number of illegals working and contributing to it's economy of any country in the world, and in the Southern state undoubtly has a two tier system of "status"
See, there's your problem matt, you put words into peoples mouths and then go off on a stupid f-cking tangent trying to make them look bad.
You're a stupid inane c-nt who can't actually have a rational debate and just try and point score, but make yourself look utterly foolish in the process.
Mst007 said:
I emigrated to the US a few years ago, have since returned to Blighty. Had to go through some SERIOUS hoops to get a working Visa, in essence I had to have enough money to support myself, my family and 5 US citizens for 3 years. I had NO claim to any benefits at all. Do you believe the US is racist too, under Obama`s leadership! LOL...pratt
Same in Italy - you have to prove that you will not be, and I quote "A burden on the state" in order to get residence - and all documents (marriage/birth certificates) had to be translated into Italian to be approved, all at your own expense - and I had a job, and this is in the EU!Mattnun is almost child-like in his/her views, who seems to have no clue about the world outside their very narrow little bubble.
Mst007 said:
I emigrated to the US a few years ago, have since returned to Blighty. Had to go through some SERIOUS hoops to get a working Visa, in essence I had to have enough money to support myself, my family and 5 US citizens for 3 years. I had NO claim to any benefits at all. Do you believe the US is racist too, under Obama`s leadership! LOL...pratt
So you're telling me there is no one in the US working and contributing to their countries economy that doesn't have equality in access to public services?Really?
It's exploitation, pure and simple. Which is why the UK don't do it. The UK is a civilised nation built on the ideal of fairness and equality for all. A nation that recognises that a hard days work should be rewarded by fair pay and fair access to the resources of the nation.
mattnunn said:
Other countries exploit people, therefore it's okay for us too...
Hmmm...
Exploitation based simple on birth place or ethnic origin is simply racism.
If it's designed to be a disincentive for foreign workers to come here then the 3 countries you mention would seem to suggest it doesn't work aswell, America probably has the highest number of illegals working and contributing to it's economy of any country in the world, and in the Southern state undoubtly has a two tier system of "status"
I knew he would! He's played the exploitation card! Hmmm...
Exploitation based simple on birth place or ethnic origin is simply racism.
If it's designed to be a disincentive for foreign workers to come here then the 3 countries you mention would seem to suggest it doesn't work aswell, America probably has the highest number of illegals working and contributing to it's economy of any country in the world, and in the Southern state undoubtly has a two tier system of "status"
So why is it that you think immigrants coming to the UK with no intention of working and simply claiming benefits are not exploiting those poor sods paying taxes on minimum wage who do go to work? I'm not suggesting there are huge numbers but clearly it happens. Are you happy about it? What would you do about it?
mattnunn said:
So you're telling me there is no one in the US working and contributing to their countries economy that doesn't have equality in access to public services?
Really?
It's exploitation, pure and simple. Which is why the UK don't do it. The UK is a civilised nation built on the ideal of fairness and equality for all. A nation that recognises that a hard days work should be rewarded by fair pay and fair access to the resources of the nation.
Define public services.Really?
It's exploitation, pure and simple. Which is why the UK don't do it. The UK is a civilised nation built on the ideal of fairness and equality for all. A nation that recognises that a hard days work should be rewarded by fair pay and fair access to the resources of the nation.
If you are talking about welfare and benefits, then yes, you don't have access to them. Your application for residency is based on your ability to be able to support yourself, either through your own earnings, an amassed amount, or the earnings of your spouse (and their family - you can use relations and their ability to pay for your own application).
However, you are denied welfare (eg Section 8 housing, food stamps) until you've paid into the system a certain number of quarters.
In the event you do have to have recourse to public funds, then the Federal Government will shake down your sponsors for what it just cost. And I believe they do do that.
Obviously you have access to the Police, council services, fire services, schools, and so forth. And an ER won't discriminate (by law) on your ability to pay or residency status either.
Andy Zarse said:
mattnunn said:
Other countries exploit people, therefore it's okay for us too...
Hmmm...
Exploitation based simple on birth place or ethnic origin is simply racism.
If it's designed to be a disincentive for foreign workers to come here then the 3 countries you mention would seem to suggest it doesn't work aswell, America probably has the highest number of illegals working and contributing to it's economy of any country in the world, and in the Southern state undoubtly has a two tier system of "status"
I knew he would! He's played the exploitation card! Hmmm...
Exploitation based simple on birth place or ethnic origin is simply racism.
If it's designed to be a disincentive for foreign workers to come here then the 3 countries you mention would seem to suggest it doesn't work aswell, America probably has the highest number of illegals working and contributing to it's economy of any country in the world, and in the Southern state undoubtly has a two tier system of "status"
So why is it that you think immigrants coming to the UK with no intention of working and simply claiming benefits are not exploiting those poor sods paying taxes on minimum wage who do go to work? I'm not suggesting there are huge numbers but clearly it happens. Are you happy about it? What would you do about it?
I certainly wouldn't support a certain section of society and allow another section to walk the streets starving - it's a ridiculous proposition.
mattnunn said:
Andy Zarse said:
mattnunn said:
Other countries exploit people, therefore it's okay for us too...
Hmmm...
Exploitation based simple on birth place or ethnic origin is simply racism.
If it's designed to be a disincentive for foreign workers to come here then the 3 countries you mention would seem to suggest it doesn't work aswell, America probably has the highest number of illegals working and contributing to it's economy of any country in the world, and in the Southern state undoubtly has a two tier system of "status"
I knew he would! He's played the exploitation card! Hmmm...
Exploitation based simple on birth place or ethnic origin is simply racism.
If it's designed to be a disincentive for foreign workers to come here then the 3 countries you mention would seem to suggest it doesn't work aswell, America probably has the highest number of illegals working and contributing to it's economy of any country in the world, and in the Southern state undoubtly has a two tier system of "status"
So why is it that you think immigrants coming to the UK with no intention of working and simply claiming benefits are not exploiting those poor sods paying taxes on minimum wage who do go to work? I'm not suggesting there are huge numbers but clearly it happens. Are you happy about it? What would you do about it?
I certainly wouldn't support a certain section of society and allow another section to walk the streets starving - it's a ridiculous proposition.
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