Rebecca Brooks receives 10.8 Million payoff. Really!!

[Steffan]

Derek Smith said:

Wills2 said:

Chlamydia said:

Derek Smith said:

If what she said in her trial was true then at best it would appear she was rather inept as an editor.

This is what I'm confused about - she was either as bent as a nine bob note or really, really crap at her job. Neither option would make her employable in my eyes.

And can you imagine someone like Murdoch employing a fool to run his newspapers? No me neither.

He's a bloke. Can you imagine a bloke with lots of money having a crush on someone much younger than him? He's old. He's got no worries. All he has left is self indulgence. As the bible says: Those who have served well gain an excellent standing and great assurance in their faith in Rupert. Or something like that. A bit more apt that 'oh good and faithful servant, now give me the talents'. She knows where the skeletons are buried. He probably has to be nice to her.

Brookes at Leveson was inept. You didn't need any explanation as to why the brief next to her reacted the way he did. She said just what she should not say. It was a major error. I'm not in any way suggesting that a lawyer would brief her on what not to say, but why didn't someone mention to her that paying the police was a bade thing to admit?

What saved Murdoch is not Brookes but his lawyers.

The only thing Murdoch gets out of his papers, in this country anyway, is political influence. Nothing else matters to him. He's got every candidate to replace Cameron scrabbling for crumbs from his table. He doesn't really care for anything else.

Indeed.

I like neither the approach of the Murdochs to business, nor the disgraceful criminality that has gone on under their stewardship, nor the utterly reprehensible phone tapping that was clearly rampant under the Murdoch operation. There is in fact nothing I like in the Murdoch News empire and a great deal that I detest, therin.

Derek is absolutely correct in his assessement that Brooks is untouchable within that business because of the need of the Murdoch's to ensure protection remains for them personally. The Murdochs enjoy wealth beyond the wildest dreams of most
Individuals and it is a fact that much of this wealth has been achieved under Rupert Murdoch. Dreadful man but a considerable businessman, probably the greatest Newspaper Tycoon ever.

I cannot see any effective action against the Murdochs over the phone tapping disgrace, or indeed, any effective action against the Murdochs. In reality such individuals are above the law. My father, a distinctly radical left wing Cleric in the Church of England, many years ago, frequently preached to congregations never to engage in petty crime because such crime was invariably punished.

He suggested that, rather than stealing the sheep, from the land, it would be much less risky and far more profitable to steal the land from under the sheep. Furthermore he suggested, honours and fame tended to accrue to major criminals because the crimes they committed were simply too big for the authorities to actually seek to prevent. Altogether much safer. Sadly his thoughts are clearly still entirely correct.

It would seem to me that with the exception of Andy Coulson and a few other slime balls none of the serious criminals in this matter will ever be charged. The scale of the crime is simply beyond the CPS. As the paper thin cases against several minor players over the last few months have failed steadily, it has become obvious that the CPS is wholly ineffective against such major organised crime. No surprise there I think!

[Wills2]

Derek Smith said:

Wills2 said:

Chlamydia said:

Derek Smith said:

If what she said in her trial was true then at best it would appear she was rather inept as an editor.

This is what I'm confused about - she was either as bent as a nine bob note or really, really crap at her job. Neither option would make her employable in my eyes.

And can you imagine someone like Murdoch employing a fool to run his newspapers? No me neither.

He's a bloke. Can you imagine a bloke with lots of money having a crush on someone much younger than him? He's old. He's got no worries. All he has left is self indulgence. As the bible says: Those who have served well gain an excellent standing and great assurance in their faith in Rupert. Or something like that. A bit more apt that 'oh good and faithful servant, now give me the talents'. She knows where the skeletons are buried. He probably has to be nice to her.

Brookes at Leveson was inept. You didn't need any explanation as to why the brief next to her reacted the way he did. She said just what she should not say. It was a major error. I'm not in any way suggesting that a lawyer would brief her on what not to say, but why didn't someone mention to her that paying the police was a bade thing to admit?

What saved Murdoch is not Brookes but his lawyers.

The only thing Murdoch gets out of his papers, in this country anyway, is political influence. Nothing else matters to him. He's got every candidate to replace Cameron scrabbling for crumbs from his table. He doesn't really care for anything else.

My comment was around her capabilities as a manager, sure blokes get crushes so do women but in the corporate world those rarely get you to the top, it's too competitive, too much talent and he is a ruthless operator.

She's a better actress than people give her credit for in my opinion and of course top lawyers help but I do not buy the theory that she is some inept girl who rose to the top because Murdoch had a crush on her.

[hidetheelephants]

Derek Smith said:

The only thing Murdoch gets out of his papers, in this country anyway, is political influence. Nothing else matters to him. He's got every candidate to replace Cameron scrabbling for crumbs from his table. He doesn't really care for anything else.

Difficult to see why; statistically Murdoch will be pushing up the daisies before the next election.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Saturday 5th September 22:21

[eharding]

hidetheelephants said:

Derek Smith said:

The only thing Murdoch gets out of his papers, in this country anyway, is political influence. Nothing else matters to him. He's got every candidate to replace Cameron scrabbling for crumbs from his table. He doesn't really care for anything else.

Difficult to see why; statistically Murdoch will be pushing up the daisies before the next election.

Whilst his father died at a relatively young age, his mother made it to 103 - and I doubt that Murdoch is getting anything less than the very best medical support that money can buy.

I wouldn't base any estimations of his longevity on any statistics gleaned from the population as a whole.

[DJRC]

Steffan you should know better.

Brooke's hasn't made a single inept step. Surrounded by wolves on all sides she emerged utterly unscathed and indeed enhanced.

Your trouble gentlemen is you believe in laws, ethics and morals. Your Britishness is formed in the mould of the temperance movements of the mid to late Victorian age, whereby the virtuous is assumed to be correct.

Fortunately I believe almost entirely in none of those things and my Englishness comes straight from Drake & Rhodes, ie. being a pirate.

This is why the situation is a disconnect for you. Let me reconnect you. Patsies get paid a little to medium to take a fall - that is all they are worth. They do not get paid dbl digit millions. Ever. Secondly - pussy is indulged yes. And yes they can be indulged well. To an extent and that extent is expressed in gifts, cash in the thousands and zero profile. A higher end buffer zone to take your hits are paid more but ultimate disposable, ie, once burned they are burned.

Brookes fits none of those. Everything she has done and said has played itself I wod posit damn near exactly how it was wanted. Incompetence is never ever rewarded in the worlds of bds.

Brookes and Murdoch are pirates and outlaws. They are very very good ones. Laws do not apply to outlaws and pirates - that is the point.

[Dr Jekyll]

Steffan said:

It would seem to me that with the exception of Andy Coulson and a few other slime balls none of the serious criminals in this matter will ever be charged. The scale of the crime is simply beyond the CPS. As the paper thin cases against several minor players over the last few months have failed steadily, it has become obvious that the CPS is wholly ineffective against such major organised crime. No surprise there I think!

Major organised crime? A bit OTT surely for eavesdropping on phone messages.

[Steffan]

Dr Jekyll said:

Steffan said:

It would seem to me that with the exception of Andy Coulson and a few other slime balls none of the serious criminals in this matter will ever be charged. The scale of the crime is simply beyond the CPS. As the paper thin cases against several minor players over the last few months have failed steadily, it has become obvious that the CPS is wholly ineffective against such major organised crime. No surprise there I think!

Major organised crime? A bit OTT surely for eavesdropping on phone messages.

Not the first time I have been accused if being OTT.

You may well be right. However given the sheer scale of the phone hacking, the number of individuals involved, the number of individuals who were abused by this process and the appalling Millie Dowler case I think that suggests major organised crime. I would suggest the entire Newspaper industry has sought to keep the level of complaints as low as possible and to avoid building up serious concern amongst the general pubic. It is pretty obvious that others like the Mirror group were at it.

That strikes me as serious, organised carefully stage managed crime. None of the major players will be held responsible. Thoroughly bad news.

[Dr Jekyll]

Steffan said:

That strikes me as serious, organised carefully stage managed crime. None of the major players will be held responsible. Thoroughly bad news.

Yet the News of the World was closed down as a result of a false allegation of deleting voicemail messages, an allegation made by the Guardian. A strange way for Murdoch to stage manage a crime

[The Hypno-Toad]

If I was Grant, Coogan, Watson, Law, Miller, Mosley or any of the rest of the "Hacked Off" team, I'd be looking over my shoulder big time.

I would imagine she is going to make it her life's work to make sure that they end up in the gutter, wking for coins.

[Derek Smith]

Wills2 said:

My comment was around her capabilities as a manager, sure blokes get crushes so do women but in the corporate world those rarely get you to the top, it's too competitive, too much talent and he is a ruthless operator.

She's a better actress than people give her credit for in my opinion and of course top lawyers help but I do not buy the theory that she is some inept girl who rose to the top because Murdoch had a crush on her.

I did not mean to suggest, even by implication, that she was generally inept but the Leveson idiocy was rather basic. Unforgivable I would have said, but apparently not.

But the balance of your final sentence, the last dozen words, is about what I meant. Top is rather iffy for editor of a national newspaper nowadays though.

Would you suggest that with identical abilities, or even superior, some ugly bloke would have been able to leapfrog her?

I agree that she has abilities. From Wiki: A childhood friend, Louise Weir, described her as "more emotionally intelligent than academic", charming and always able to get what she wanted out of people.

Given her friendships, with the great and the adequate, she has got to have something, but I think that's my point. I've always wondered what Mrs CMD thought of her. She's not daft, but having RB round to tea at xmas? Very odd. She's certainly got something, but even I would not have mouthed off as she did.

She reminds me of a type, those that are fawning to your face but you know that as soon as your back is turned. She always strikes me as utterly selfish.

[Derek Smith]

DJRC said:

Your trouble gentlemen is you believe in laws, ethics and morals. Your Britishness is formed in the mould of the temperance movements of the mid to late Victorian age, whereby the virtuous is assumed to be correct.

Fortunately I believe almost entirely in none of those things and my Englishness comes straight from Drake & Rhodes, ie. being a pirate.

This is why the situation is a disconnect for you. Let me reconnect you. Patsies get paid a little to medium to take a fall - that is all they are worth. They do not get paid dbl digit millions. Ever. Secondly - pussy is indulged yes. And yes they can be indulged well. To an extent and that extent is expressed in gifts, cash in the thousands and zero profile. A higher end buffer zone to take your hits are paid more but ultimate disposable, ie, once burned they are burned.

Yet here you are, spending your time on forums, just like us patsies, and that's not to mention trying to convince us how great you are. Surely a pirate, a real pirate, even an English one, wouldn't care what patsies thought and certainly wouldn't need to boost their self opinion by boasts.

Take it with more water.

[DJRC]

Shrug. I can spend a few mins of my time what in the pub or airport taking the piss out of you

[V8 Fettler]

DJRC said:

Steffan you should know better.

Brooke's hasn't made a single inept step. Surrounded by wolves on all sides she emerged utterly unscathed and indeed enhanced.

Your trouble gentlemen is you believe in laws, ethics and morals. Your Britishness is formed in the mould of the temperance movements of the mid to late Victorian age, whereby the virtuous is assumed to be correct.

Fortunately I believe almost entirely in none of those things and my Englishness comes straight from Drake & Rhodes, ie. being a pirate.

This is why the situation is a disconnect for you. Let me reconnect you. Patsies get paid a little to medium to take a fall - that is all they are worth. They do not get paid dbl digit millions. Ever. Secondly - pussy is indulged yes. And yes they can be indulged well. To an extent and that extent is expressed in gifts, cash in the thousands and zero profile. A higher end buffer zone to take your hits are paid more but ultimate disposable, ie, once burned they are burned.

Brookes fits none of those. Everything she has done and said has played itself I wod posit damn near exactly how it was wanted. Incompetence is never ever rewarded in the worlds of bds.

Brookes and Murdoch are pirates and outlaws. They are very very good ones. Laws do not apply to outlaws and pirates - that is the point.

The gutter press only thrives because mouth-breathers buy their products.

[carinaman]

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