Lost Prophets singer charged
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Cantaloupe said:
Wow, that's a bleak outlook for humankind, so you don't think a person with an addiction can fight that addiction ?
Millions of people have given up fags, booze, gambling, drugs, they now lead normal lives.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't love a ciggie or a pint but, they resist the urge, because they have taken control
of their life .
I would suggest it's entirely possible to resist the urge to watch, collect or indulge in child porn if that person wants to
badly enough.
what your assuming is, being a paedophile is an addiction you acquire where as we are suggesting like all sexual preferences there is a genetic element along with a nurture element. So you could like young people but your societal conditioning stops you ever thinking of such things.Millions of people have given up fags, booze, gambling, drugs, they now lead normal lives.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't love a ciggie or a pint but, they resist the urge, because they have taken control
of their life .
I would suggest it's entirely possible to resist the urge to watch, collect or indulge in child porn if that person wants to
badly enough.
In Watkins case his desires were unchecked due to his wealth an fame so he acted on them under othet circumstances he would not but thoes desires would to a certain extent be hard wired into his DNA
Cantaloupe said:
Wow, that's a bleak outlook for humankind, so you don't think a person with an addiction can fight that addiction ?
Millions of people have given up fags, booze, gambling, drugs, they now lead normal lives.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't love a ciggie or a pint but, they resist the urge, because they have taken control
of their life .
I would suggest it's entirely possible to resist the urge to watch, collect or indulge in child porn if that person wants to
badly enough.
Please, please, please tell me you're joking? Millions of people have given up fags, booze, gambling, drugs, they now lead normal lives.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't love a ciggie or a pint but, they resist the urge, because they have taken control
of their life .
I would suggest it's entirely possible to resist the urge to watch, collect or indulge in child porn if that person wants to
badly enough.
Cantaloupe said:
I would suggest it's entirely possible to resist the urge to watch, collect or indulge in child porn if that person wants to
badly enough.
That might be true but that person is still a non-offending pedophile. badly enough.
You don’t have to act on your attraction to pre-pubescent children to be a pedophile, you just have to have the attraction.
I don't get why people mention the sexual attraction element and not mention the desire to express power and sadism.
For some those may be the things they're truly intent on indulging. The Sexual abuse of someone powerless and not fully formed is the most obvious path to achieve it.
For some those may be the things they're truly intent on indulging. The Sexual abuse of someone powerless and not fully formed is the most obvious path to achieve it.
Edited by bloomen on Sunday 11th August 01:21
bloomen said:
I don't get why people mention the sexual attraction element and not mention the desire to express power and sadism.
Sadism, humiliation and the the physical domination of a weaker victim is a major element in Edited by bloomen on Sunday 11th August 01:21
heterosexual and homosexual rape, attraction is of little consequence, hence The Boston Strangler's
preference for elderly women in his early phase.
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rxtx said:
Cantaloupe said:
Wow, that's a bleak outlook for humankind, so you don't think a person with an addiction can fight that addiction ?
Millions of people have given up fags, booze, gambling, drugs, they now lead normal lives.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't love a ciggie or a pint but, they resist the urge, because they have taken control
of their life .
I would suggest it's entirely possible to resist the urge to watch, collect or indulge in child porn if that person wants to
badly enough.
This is completely different. What you're suggesting is one can change their sexual preferences. This isn't true to my knowledge, or experience.Millions of people have given up fags, booze, gambling, drugs, they now lead normal lives.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't love a ciggie or a pint but, they resist the urge, because they have taken control
of their life .
I would suggest it's entirely possible to resist the urge to watch, collect or indulge in child porn if that person wants to
badly enough.
The things you mention are not hardwired in the brain in the same way as sexual preference is. Certainly some people have an issue with addiction generally, but they end up making the choice of what they get addicted to.
In no way do you get to choose who or what you find sexually attractive and I personally think it is far more nature than nurture in regards to that.
What you also need to take into account is a person's sense of right and wrong. Our legal age of consent is 16 in the UK. It's older in other countries and younger in others. The point being that it's an arbitrary number essentially plucked out of the air by each individual country's government and when you accept that, it becomes a lot easier to see how someone, even though they know it's illegal in their country of residence, can justify certain things to themselves. Obviously I'm not talking about the extreme end of the offending scale such as Watkins' as there's probably nowhere on the planet that would accept that.
bloomen said:
I don't get why people mention the sexual attraction element and not mention the desire to express power and sadism.
For some those may be the things they're truly intent on indulging. The Sexual abuse of someone powerless and not fully formed is the most obvious path to achieve it.
Probably because they are not strictly speaking required to be a pedophile. For some those may be the things they're truly intent on indulging. The Sexual abuse of someone powerless and not fully formed is the most obvious path to achieve it.
Edited by bloomen on Sunday 11th August 01:21
This is the article I read - https://medium.com/matter/youre-16-youre-a-pedophi...
I must admit after I'd typed it I remembered that a programme once had a paedophile on that purposely chooses not to act upon his urges so I may be completely wrong about not being born with it because people are right in that it's a sexual preference much like beng gay, straight, bi or asexual is. In reality it's no different to preferring older women or redheads or having a certain fetish for anything but in the eyes of the law and with moral and ethical standards it's very different indeed.
Had it in my head about being able to coach it out of him almost with a lot of deprogramming and counselling to understand the root of it so you might be able to nullify him wanting to act upon it like the guy mentioned above but he'lll always have the urges.
It's an interesting subject as much as it's a horrible one. The brain is a phenomenally complicated thing. I'm studying to be a counsellor at the minute and we got asked as a litmus test at the start of the last college year about whether we could counsel an individual if they were x or y and a paedophile came up as one of them. I said yes because I'd be fascinated to see what led them to doing what they did but if it's already in their brain from birth then perhaps it's just a matter of time as opposed to a sequence of events and experiences affecting someone mentally.
Still doesn't explain exactly how f
ked up Watkins is even by paedophile standards so that'd be the real work to find out how he thought what he did was a good idea.
Had it in my head about being able to coach it out of him almost with a lot of deprogramming and counselling to understand the root of it so you might be able to nullify him wanting to act upon it like the guy mentioned above but he'lll always have the urges.
It's an interesting subject as much as it's a horrible one. The brain is a phenomenally complicated thing. I'm studying to be a counsellor at the minute and we got asked as a litmus test at the start of the last college year about whether we could counsel an individual if they were x or y and a paedophile came up as one of them. I said yes because I'd be fascinated to see what led them to doing what they did but if it's already in their brain from birth then perhaps it's just a matter of time as opposed to a sequence of events and experiences affecting someone mentally.
Still doesn't explain exactly how f
ked up Watkins is even by paedophile standards so that'd be the real work to find out how he thought what he did was a good idea.Zoon said:
ajprice said:
He has been found guilty of having a mobile phone in prison, and had 10 months added to his sentence. http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-lostprophets-ian...
The phone was a GSTAR mini phone, about 3 inches long, and he hid it up his arse.
Lost Phones?The phone was a GSTAR mini phone, about 3 inches long, and he hid it up his arse.
I remember watching a documentary a few years ago about a country; Switzerland or Sweden come to mind, where people who are sexually attracted to children but haven't acted upon their urges and who know it is wrong to have this attraction, are actively encouraged to come forward to the authorities to be monitored and looked after and I think chemically castrated too.
It was very interesting.
It was very interesting.
HTP99 said:
I remember watching a documentary a few years ago about a country; Switzerland or Sweden come to mind, where people who are sexually attracted to children but haven't acted upon their urges and who know it is wrong to have this attraction, are actively encouraged to come forward to the authorities to be monitored and looked after and I think chemically castrated too.
It was very interesting.
I remember that too. It was to illustrate the point that it's not wrong to be a pedophile and it isn't something people can change, the problem comes when people act on their urges. It was very interesting.
gregs656 said:
Probably because they are not strictly speaking required to be a pedophile.
This is the article I read - https://medium.com/matter/youre-16-youre-a-pedophi...
Reading that makes you realise how human the problem is. He didn't choose it, he didn't want it, he's miserable because of it but he can't help it and nobody really wants to help him because of the subject.This is the article I read - https://medium.com/matter/youre-16-youre-a-pedophi...
Reading the bit about the therapist made me angry to be honest because it's so wrong. The type I'm currently learning we're not even allowed to ask questions and it's horrifying to hear mental health treated in such a manner. Tthe way she treated him would never be allowed over here. America doesn't just have a mental health problem it has a practitioner problem too. Everything I read and see about therapy over there seems so out of whack with what I know and that's strange because the pioneer of what I know was American and revolutionised how mental health was treated way back when (Carl Rogers).
If it truly isn't something that just happens and they are born with it then the strength of those who never act upon those urges is worth noting, even it's a very touchy (no pun intended) subject.
Watkins on the other hand can rot. Surely they have technology (full body scanners at airports for instance) that could be used in prison so that they can't smuggle stuff up their arses?
F1GTRUeno said:
gregs656 said:
Probably because they are not strictly speaking required to be a pedophile.
This is the article I read - https://medium.com/matter/youre-16-youre-a-pedophi...
Reading that makes you realise how human the problem is. He didn't choose it, he didn't want it, he's miserable because of it but he can't help it and nobody really wants to help him because of the subject.This is the article I read - https://medium.com/matter/youre-16-youre-a-pedophi...
Reading the bit about the therapist made me angry to be honest because it's so wrong. The type I'm currently learning we're not even allowed to ask questions and it's horrifying to hear mental health treated in such a manner. Tthe way she treated him would never be allowed over here. America doesn't just have a mental health problem it has a practitioner problem too. Everything I read and see about therapy over there seems so out of whack with what I know and that's strange because the pioneer of what I know was American and revolutionised how mental health was treated way back when (Carl Rogers).
If it truly isn't something that just happens and they are born with it then the strength of those who never act upon those urges is worth noting, even it's a very touchy (no pun intended) subject.
Watkins on the other hand can rot. Surely they have technology (full body scanners at airports for instance) that could be used in prison so that they can't smuggle stuff up their arses?
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