Lost Prophets singer charged
Discussion
Bibbs said:
captainzep said:
On a slightly different tack I feel very sorry for the other band members. Their songs, their work, will never be played again. Careers tainted, royalties lost and they never did anything wrong. By all accounts they disliked the bloke in the final years of the band, before any allegations came out.
They should re-release the albums with a new singer.It would have sales of the people who like the music, but can't listen to 'his voice'. And may re-establish them, with a new album out after.
WeirdNeville said:
Silent1 said:
I presume he wasn't done for rape as they felt the burden of proof was too high but those poor kids will either have to be told what happened or everyone involved in their care will have to lie to them
THe issue with proving rape against the very young is that you have to prove penetration. The pure physicality of this (sorry) can lead to prosecutions failing on grounds that it is "impossible" unless there is very good evidence that penetration HAS occurred.Instead, charge attempted rape which carries exactly the same penalty and you negate the need to prove the most troubling point to prove of rape when the victim cannot give evidence and medical examination cannot prove it either way.
Sickening, but that's the way it works. It's sensible and pragmatic prosecution.
An ex was raped a few years before I met her. She actually got a conviction and he was put away (for 5 years iirc). I didn't think many rape cases resulted in conviction due to this burden of proof?
Galsia said:
im said:
Alas you can never argue with the 'lock 'em up and throw away the key' brigade.
He's 36 years old and will be perhaps 65 when he gets out on licence...no money, no fame, no influence and with notoriety following him wherever he goes.
The sentence is...
...fair to slightly harsh.
He will still have the money...He's 36 years old and will be perhaps 65 when he gets out on licence...no money, no fame, no influence and with notoriety following him wherever he goes.
The sentence is...
...fair to slightly harsh.im said:
Maybe but a proportion of it will have been used in the intervening years to pay bills etc and it wouldn't surprise me if some law suits followed. He also has his legal fees.
he won't get out of prison imo, this is just the first case against him! it's like saville, just a case of encouraging other victims to come forward.I would be really interested in the results of a poll here. I wonder how many thinking, rational people think the sentence is too harsh or too lenient. I also wonder how many would vote for castration for people like this and of course for capital punishment in such cases. I also wonder exactly what someone has to do to lose their human rights. Should such rights really be inalienable? Me? I'd shoot him.
macky17 said:
I would be really interested in the results of a poll here. I wonder how many thinking, rational people think the sentence is too harsh or too lenient. I also wonder how many would vote for castration for people like this and of course for capital punishment in such cases. I also wonder exactly what someone has to do to lose their human rights. Should such rights really be inalienable? Me? I'd shoot him.
Yesterday I thought the sentence was disproportional, not for any sympathy for him or course, just simply because it was more than most murderers get. Some other posters argued that this sort of thing was worse than murder - I still don't agree with that, but after reading some of that .pdf that someone posted and some of the stuff on TV I now think the sentence is fair. Firstly of course it's not like the judge can say "right you 'orrible
, 35 years for being pure evil" there's a guide for all offences and the judge has used a pure mathematical formula and come up with a fair figure. Secondly, whilst he might have got a lessor sentence for murder, it's not like for like, murder is one offence, they may get a bit more or less for mitigating circumstances, but it's one offence - Watkins has been gives a collection of sentences for 11 chargers which have added up to 29/35 years.
This isn't the end of it I fear, I expect more offences to come from Germany the US and other places in the UK, he's never getting out.
I cannot support capital punishment though, not in any form, it's barbaric, and it's revenge, it's not justice.
P-Jay said:
macky17 said:
I would be really interested in the results of a poll here. I wonder how many thinking, rational people think the sentence is too harsh or too lenient. I also wonder how many would vote for castration for people like this and of course for capital punishment in such cases. I also wonder exactly what someone has to do to lose their human rights. Should such rights really be inalienable? Me? I'd shoot him.
Yesterday I thought the sentence was disproportional, not for any sympathy for him or course, just simply because it was more than most murderers get. Some other posters argued that this sort of thing was worse than murder - I still don't agree with that, but after reading some of that .pdf that someone posted and some of the stuff on TV I now think the sentence is fair. Firstly of course it's not like the judge can say "right you 'orrible
, 35 years for being pure evil" there's a guide for all offences and the judge has used a pure mathematical formula and come up with a fair figure. Secondly, whilst he might have got a lessor sentence for murder, it's not like for like, murder is one offence, they may get a bit more or less for mitigating circumstances, but it's one offence - Watkins has been gives a collection of sentences for 11 chargers which have added up to 29/35 years.
This isn't the end of it I fear, I expect more offences to come from Germany the US and other places in the UK, he's never getting out.
I cannot support capital punishment though, not in any form, it's barbaric, and it's revenge, it's not justice.
If you read the charging document posted a few pages back, the methodology used to come up with the final sentences is quite detailed.
WCZ said:
he won't get out of prison imo, this is just the first case against him! it's like saville, just a case of encouraging other victims to come forward.
Not only that....we all know how the prison population 'appreciate' child abusers.IW better hope they keep him in solitary for the duration of his stay.
P- said:
I cannot support capital punishment though, not in any form, it's barbaric, and it's revenge, it's not justice.
I understand that point of view for sure but don't see it that way. I see CP not as revenge but as removing someone from the equation/gene pool. It also saves the tax payer a hell of a lot of money.P-Jay said:
I cannot support capital punishment though, not in any form, it's barbaric, and it's revenge, it's not justice.
It's punishment.Sometimes the crimes are so far off the scale that the death penalty should be avaliable, certainly where there can be no doubt as to guilt - Watkins videoing himself in the act & the public execution of Drummer Rigby as examples.
To put it another way, few people object when a dog which has killed or savaged someone is destroyed. It is done not to punish the dog or to exact vengeance but as a practical way to dispose of an animal which is dangerous and cannot be trusted. Of course the dog could be taken away and locked up for life in a dangerous dogs prison but no one realistically suggests this as it is not practical or economically viable - what would be the point. You might argue that in the case of a human being it is different and 99.9% of the time I would agree but certain crimes are so heinous as to warrant different treatment. The perpetrator has demonstrated a fundamental lack of humanity and hence should be treated accordingly. But that's just me.
On the subject capital punishment, I'd like to think that lying in a small cell, thinking about his crimes, the victims and what a miserable existence he will have for the next 29 years will be far harder then putting the bd out of his misery.
Let him rot. Death would be an easy route out for him.
d out of his misery.Let him rot. Death would be an easy route out for him.
Shilvers said:
On the subject capital punishment, I'd like to think that lying in a small cell, thinking about his crimes, the victims and what a miserable existence he will have for the next 29 years will be far harder then putting the bd out of his misery.
Let him rot. Death would be an easy route out for him.
this is my view too. the only problem is it isnt a small sell, its a lovely room with a tv and a playstation.d out of his misery.Let him rot. Death would be an easy route out for him.
Phil Dicky said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
IW better hope they keep him in solitary for the duration of his stay.
No doubt there will a situation where he meets the main prison population..it won't be pretty.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff