Lost Prophets singer charged

[gpo746]

Some of the sentiments here are perhaps of the "women cant do that sort of thing.... they must have been corrupted...........its the evil of a man that envelopes them etc etc

Probably well meaning and all but I expect some people in the prison/ police/ probation/ social services sector will tell you different.

[ADM06]

HTP99 said:

Wrong women can commit rape; rape can be defined as a sexual contact or penetration achieved without consent.

Have you never heard of a woman committing and being convicted of rape?

In the UK at least, I think he is right.
Ask most people what they think rape is and they say something along the lines of "forcing someone to have sex with you". Making it a crime only men can commit is sexist and detracts from the victims of female perpetrators. Why does a penis suddenly make something worse? Would you rather someone forced a penis up your arse or their fist?
If women can't rape then whatever it is lesbians do can't be called sex.

[pork911]

ADM06 said:

HTP99 said:

Wrong women can commit rape; rape can be defined as a sexual contact or penetration achieved without consent.

Have you never heard of a woman committing and being convicted of rape?

In the UK at least, I think he is right.
Ask most people what they think rape is and they say something along the lines of "forcing someone to have sex with you". Making it a crime only men can commit is sexist and detracts from the victims of female perpetrators. Why does a penis suddenly make something worse? Would you rather someone forced a penis up your arse or their fist?
If women can't rape then whatever it is lesbians do can't be called sex.

most people's thoughts and what the law is often don't match

iirc no one can commit rape these days, from a criminal offence perspective

[lady topaz]

macky17 said:

I agree that 35 years rotting in a jail cell is a good punishment I just object, as a tax payer, to having to pay for it. Killing people like this is better for all of us. Is it a deterant? No, because such people are often too arrogant to think they will ever be caught. But it is efficient (forget the US and their ridiculous system) and has no moral downsides that I can see.

I wonder how much it has cost to keep Ian Brady alive to date, just so that he can continue to show no remorse and allow the mother of one of his victims to go to her grave not knowing where her child's remains are. Then we waste more taxpayers money debating his request to be allowed to transfer to a different prison. There is something very wrong with a society that wants to keep people like this breathing. What is the moral argument for keeping him alive? That he is human? Define 'human' as I'm not so sure. Surely it should amount to more than the biological.

"Human is as human does." Discuss...

Very well put IMHO

[worsy]

lady topaz said:

macky17 said:

I agree that 35 years rotting in a jail cell is a good punishment I just object, as a tax payer, to having to pay for it. Killing people like this is better for all of us. Is it a deterant? No, because such people are often too arrogant to think they will ever be caught. But it is efficient (forget the US and their ridiculous system) and has no moral downsides that I can see.

I wonder how much it has cost to keep Ian Brady alive to date, just so that he can continue to show no remorse and allow the mother of one of his victims to go to her grave not knowing where her child's remains are. Then we waste more taxpayers money debating his request to be allowed to transfer to a different prison. There is something very wrong with a society that wants to keep people like this breathing. What is the moral argument for keeping him alive? That he is human? Define 'human' as I'm not so sure. Surely it should amount to more than the biological.

"Human is as human does." Discuss...

Very well put IMHO

Disagree. Can't think of a punishment worse than having your freedom removed when you believe an injustice has been served. If Watkins is deluded enough to believe that he'll suffer for the whole term.

[Willy Nilly]

TheJimi said:

Agreed.

If those two women hadn't came into contact with Watkins, they may never have done anything of the sort they ended up doing.

But they did come into contact with Watkins but instead of reporting him to the police they went along with his wishes and for this they are now rightly locked up.

[TheJimi]

Willy Nilly said:

TheJimi said:

Agreed.

If those two women hadn't came into contact with Watkins, they may never have done anything of the sort they ended up doing.

But they did come into contact with Watkins but instead of reporting him to the police they went along with his wishes and for this they are now rightly locked up.

I'm not for a moment suggesting they don't deserve the jail time they got - of course they do. What I'm getting at is that Watkins was the catalyst here and that without him, they may never have committed the acts they did.

• may* - purely speculation on my part.

[Willy Nilly]

TheJimi said:

Willy Nilly said:

TheJimi said:

Agreed.

If those two women hadn't came into contact with Watkins, they may never have done anything of the sort they ended up doing.

But they did come into contact with Watkins but instead of reporting him to the police they went along with his wishes and for this they are now rightly locked up.

I'm not for a moment suggesting they don't deserve the jail time they got - of course they do. What I'm getting at is that Watkins was the catalyst here and that without him, they may never have committed the acts they did.

• may* - purely speculation on my part.

Women never do anything wrong - scientific fact.

[elephantstone]

Sorry to dumb down the conversation a little but...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2526424/Sa...

[anonymous-user]

elephantstone said:

Sorry to dumb down the conversation a little but...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2526424/Sa...

His clothes company

http://madeinhell.bigcartel.com/

'The boy who became a monster'

[anonymous-user]

A day of reflection later and I still want to stand on the bd's throat.

[Welshbeef]

Is there any way to stop him earning royalties from now onwards or would it be a case of never playing any of those albumins on the radio and delisting them from all outlets?

[PugwasHDJ80]

Willy Nilly said:

TheJimi said:

Agreed.

If those two women hadn't came into contact with Watkins, they may never have done anything of the sort they ended up doing.

But they did come into contact with Watkins but instead of reporting him to the police they went along with his wishes and for this they are now rightly locked up.

Just bear in mind that milligram (I a set of very famous experiments) proved that 2 in 3 people were prepared to electrocute someone to death because someone in authority told them to.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

PugwasHDJ80 said:

Just bear in mind that milligram (I a set of very famous experiments) proved that 2 in 3 people were prepared to electrocute someone to death because someone in authority told them to.

Just bear in mind that that set of experiments has been debunked many times

[Marty Funkhouser]

Love to know what Fearne Cotton has to say - would she have had an inkling that the guy she was shagging for a year was so completely depraved?

[Catz]

Marty Funkhouser said:

Love to know what Fearne Cotton has to say - would she have had an inkling that the guy she was shagging for a year was so completely depraved?

I don't think he was at that point.

He seems to have gone downhill after he met that Joanne Mjadzelics character who eventually went to the police.

[Justaredbadge]

Marty Funkhouser said:

Love to know what Fearne Cotton has to say - would she have had an inkling that the guy she was shagging for a year was so completely depraved?

Maybe she actually saved some children by being with him. What with her having the body of a child and all.

[Silent1]

macky17 said:

I agree that 35 years rotting in a jail cell is a good punishment I just object, as a tax payer, to having to pay for it. Killing people like this is better for all of us. Is it a deterant? No, because such people are often too arrogant to think they will ever be caught. But it is efficient (forget the US and their ridiculous system) and has no moral downsides that I can see.

I wonder how much it has cost to keep Ian Brady alive to date, just so that he can continue to show no remorse and allow the mother of one of his victims to go to her grave not knowing where her child's remains are. Then we waste more taxpayers money debating his request to be allowed to transfer to a different prison. There is something very wrong with a society that wants to keep people like this breathing. What is the moral argument for keeping him alive? That he is human? Define 'human' as I'm not so sure. Surely it should amount to more than the biological.

"Human is as human does." Discuss...

THe cost of all the trials and appeals that have to be gone through in order to execute them tend to be orders of magnitude greater than keeping them in jail forever.
Also until we stop convicting innocent people we can't morally have the death sentence, you can release someone from prison and try and help repair the damage caused, you can't un-kill someone.

[WCZ]

Silent1 said:

THe cost of all the trials and appeals that have to be gone through in order to execute them tend to be orders of magnitude greater than keeping them in jail forever.
Also until we stop convicting innocent people we can't morally have the death sentence, you can release someone from prison and try and help repair the damage caused, you can't un-kill someone.

I think it's a given that the system would have to be some what different than the american one which is extremely financially un-efficient due to the massive legal costs etc

[XCP]

I find it odd that apparently some people wrote letters to the court saying what a nice guy he was !