Lost Prophets singer charged

[MocMocaMoc]

OpulentBob said:

A day of reflection later and I still want to stand on the bd's throat.

Horror stories in the media usually pass me by, but this has really... what's the word?

He needs taking away and made gone. And that's the first time I've ever advocated capital punishment.

[HTP99]

XCP said:

I find it odd that apparently some people wrote letters to the court saying what a nice guy he was !

Why, I'm sure he is a nice guy around close friends and family and no matter what some may hear about their loved ones, to them he is still that nice Ian who is a great laugh and generous and who wouldn't do such a thing?

My dad wrote a character reference for his Dr., who had complaints levelled against him about his innapropriate behavior when conducting examinations, he was adamant that he wouldn't do such a thing, the whole thing was settled out of court in the end and he stopped practicing, driven out according to my dad, however a few members of staff left the practice due to the whitewash and everything being brushed under the carpet, the wife knows someone who was innaporpriately touched by him; my dad is adamant to this day that his lovely Dr. wasn't capable of such a thing and it was a witch hunt against him.

[Dog Star]

Kind of a secondary thing (which is insignificant in the grand scale of what's gone on), but I feel a bit sorry for the other band members; through no fault of their own they will have lost almost their entire revenue stream.

[Disastrous]

Dog Star said:

Kind of a secondary thing (which is insignificant in the grand scale of what's gone on), but I feel a bit sorry for the other band members; through no fault of their own they will have lost almost their entire revenue stream.

Agree. No band likes lost profits but it must be especially galling when you've done nothing to warrant it.

Horrible sod. Still, glad the judge seemed inclined to be harsh. The detail of the offences is a horrifying read

[otolith]

Dog Star said:

Kind of a secondary thing (which is insignificant in the grand scale of what's gone on), but I feel a bit sorry for the other band members; through no fault of their own they will have lost almost their entire revenue stream.

The odds of actually making it are so slim, to then have it all taken away like that by someone doing something so inexplicable and awful must be gutting. Not just the loss of revenue but also the knowledge that their band will be remembered more for the monster Watkins than for the work they did. Still, presumably they all have contacts in the industry and stand a chance of a further career.

[Roo]

HTP99 said:

XCP said:

I find it odd that apparently some people wrote letters to the court saying what a nice guy he was !

Why, I'm sure he is a nice guy around close friends and family and no matter what some may hear about their loved ones, to them he is still that nice Ian who is a great laugh and generous and who wouldn't do such a thing?

Having said that though even his parents said they'd like an hour in a cell with him.

And I don't think they would just like to chat to him.

[TheJimi]

XCP said:

I find it odd that apparently some people wrote letters to the court saying what a nice guy he was !

I suspect if those same people read the judge's report, they'll be regretting writing letters of support.

Then again, the "Megalolz" t-shirt seems to be selling like hot cakes, so what do I know.

[Digger]

Disastrous said:

Agree. No band likes lost profits but it must be especially galling when you've done nothing to warrant it.

Horrible sod. Still, glad the judge seemed inclined to be harsh. The detail of the offences is a horrifying read

Bad timing I know, but I found that amusing (I assume you meant it).

[Disastrous]

Digger said:

Disastrous said:

Agree. No band likes lost profits but it must be especially galling when you've done nothing to warrant it.

Horrible sod. Still, glad the judge seemed inclined to be harsh. The detail of the offences is a horrifying read

Bad timing I know, but I found that amusing (I assume you meant it).

Yeah - timing aside, I couldn't resist

[gpo746]

XCP said:

I find it odd that apparently some people wrote letters to the court saying what a nice guy he was !

I bet some of them are a bit worried about getting their hard drives looked at

[gpo746]

Disastrous said:

Dog Star said:

Kind of a secondary thing (which is insignificant in the grand scale of what's gone on), but I feel a bit sorry for the other band members; through no fault of their own they will have lost almost their entire revenue stream.

Agree. No band likes lost profits but it must be especially galling when you've done nothing to warrant it.

Horrible sod. Still, glad the judge seemed inclined to be harsh. The detail of the offences is a horrifying read

Yes the irony of lost profits by lost prophets is there isn't it

[MiniMan64]

otolith said:

Dog Star said:

Kind of a secondary thing (which is insignificant in the grand scale of what's gone on), but I feel a bit sorry for the other band members; through no fault of their own they will have lost almost their entire revenue stream.

The odds of actually making it are so slim, to then have it all taken away like that by someone doing something so inexplicable and awful must be gutting. Not just the loss of revenue but also the knowledge that their band will be remembered more for the monster Watkins than for the work they did. Still, presumably they all have contacts in the industry and stand a chance of a further career.

I'm fairly sure I read somewhere recently that the band was effectively dead in the water by 2007/8 and the rest of the band have had very little contact with Watkins since then. They'd branded him a lost cause to drugs even before the rest of this came out.

I doubt they're ever going to get a chance again, unfortunately the name of the band it's associations now are going to hang around their neck for a very long time. Hell, I've got all their albums sitting in a CD rack at home, they were one of my favourite bands in my younger days, saw them live plenty of times.

And now I'll never listen to their music again. Just a horrible association to have.

[m444ttb]

As a fan of their better tracks I find it hard to get the thought of him out of my head. Town called hypocrisy popped up on my iPod yesterday coincidentally. Speaking of which I'd somehow never seem the video until someone mentioned it earlier in this thread. The end in particular sends a bit of a chill down the spine.

[clonmult]

Latest DM "article" is twisting things, as is their way ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2526899/Ge...

"Obsessed with snuff movies - in which women are strangled during sex". Forgive me if I'm getting this wrong, but snuff porn is based around actually killing someone in the middle of a sexual act, and whilst its been rumoured, it has never been proven to exist. I'm sure that Larry Flynt had a long standing request for anyone to demonstrate that there was actual evidence of snuff porn.

Women being strangled during sex isn't snuff porn, thats asphyxiation, which is a very different thing.

[gaz1234]

Bruce forsyth
Jimmy hill next?

[pork911]

Justaredbadge said:

Marty Funkhouser said:

Love to know what Fearne Cotton has to say - would she have had an inkling that the guy she was shagging for a year was so completely depraved?

Maybe she actually saved some children by being with him. What with her having the body of a child and all.

'classy'

[Aretnap]

WeirdNeville said:

HTP99 said:

TTwiggy said:

ADM06 said:

The two women are rapists, it's just that a biased law doesn't see them that way.

Rape requires penetration, by a penis. Women don't have penises, so cannot commit rape. I don't understand how this can be viewed as a 'biased' law really.

Wrong women can commit rape; rape can be defined as a sexual contact or penetration achieved without consent.

Have you never heard of a woman committing and being convicted of rape?

Sorry HTP99, you're incorrect.

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 defines rape (Sec 1) as:

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,

(b)B does not consent to the penetration, and

(c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

(2)Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.

(Note that "he" is irrelevant, all legislation is drafted in the masculine)

THe salient point is that you MUST have a penis to commit rape. The closest a woman can get to rape in UK law is if she has a surgically constructed penis.

Assault by penetration excludes the mouth (so sticking your finger in someone's mouth isn't sexual assault by penetration) but can be performed with any body part or object. It also carries life imprisonment.


Don't shoot the messenger, it's the way our law is drafted. Women CANNOT commit rape in England and Wales, they CAN earn an equivalent sentence through penetration by other means.

You're right, but for completeness a woman can be convicted of rape if she assists a man in the act of committing rape. Example here.

[Marty Funkhouser]

Catz said:

Marty Funkhouser said:

Love to know what Fearne Cotton has to say - would she have had an inkling that the guy she was shagging for a year was so completely depraved?

I don't think he was at that point.

He seems to have gone downhill after he met that Joanne Mjadzelics character who eventually went to the police.

I'm sorry but the sick twisted sh!t this guy was/is into doesn't come about overnight. I would bet Ms Cotton has a few shivers going down her spine when she thinks back to her times with him.

[extraT]

while this is clearly not a laughing matter, if any of you are familier with the works of Kunt and The Gang (obviously not work safe), their new song is erm.... well, if you know of them, im sure you can guess. I am not going to link to it directly here though.

[Catz]

Marty Funkhouser said:

Catz said:

Marty Funkhouser said:

Love to know what Fearne Cotton has to say - would she have had an inkling that the guy she was shagging for a year was so completely depraved?

I don't think he was at that point.

He seems to have gone downhill after he met that Joanne Mjadzelics character who eventually went to the police.

I'm sorry but the sick twisted sh!t this guy was/is into doesn't come about overnight. I would bet Ms Cotton has a few shivers going down her spine when she thinks back to her times with him.

Well you may be right. I guess the traits were always there but perhaps he didn't act on them while he was being Mr "Straight" in early Lostprophets years, then as he escalated into a spiral of drugs his true colours shone through.

I watched "Psychopath Night" on Ch4 od last night and Watkins seems to fit that profile perfectly. However being a psychopath/sociopath isn't seen as being insane as many folk have the traits but don't kill/rape etc due to them. Was pretty interesting viewing though. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/psychopath-nigh...