Lost Prophets singer charged

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carinaman

21,224 posts

171 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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Eight officers have been warned they face censure for their failures.

Perhaps the evidence is there that she'd been in touch with the police trying to get them to do something about it?

He was caught with the images of kids when he was raided for drugs, not for a sexual interest in kids.

joe_90

4,206 posts

230 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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mu0n said:
How the hell did she get away with that!!

She seemed equally as sick. Reported him because he didn't want to be with her it appears.
You may be well off the mark.. The question is how did it get to court?

The email from Ian Watkins in 2006 was the first of many, as the pair struck up a relationship which would play itself out largely through text messages, internet phone calls and emails.
Watkins quickly suggested they meet and they started a sexual relationship.
The pair continued their on-off relationship with trysts in London, Cardiff, Leeds and Los Angeles - although Ms Mjadezlics told the court she was disgusted by Watkins' sexual interest in children and boasts of sex with underage fans. She said she was trying to gather evidence against him.
Ms Mjadzelics reported Watkins to police and social services in 2008, 2009, 2011 and 2012 to raise the alarm over his child sex crimes.
But a court heard police refused to collect the phone and computer of Mjadzelics after she told them he had sent her indecent images of a "very young girl being raped".
She told the jury she repeatedly went to the police and Watkins family about his paedophile activities but was not believed until 2012.
Deputy Chief Constable for South Wales Police, Matt Jukes, said: "We respect the decision of the court today
"During the trial, police actions prior to the most recent investigation were discussed. In 2012 South Wales Police initiated its own review into the sequence of events prior to the arrest of Ian Watkins. We identified that there were issues of concern and voluntarily referred the matter to the Independent Police Complaints Commission who is currently carrying out an investigation into these issues."

mu0n

2,348 posts

132 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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Before she reported him though she did engage in sexual fantasies with him involving minors. This was well before she reported him and she said it was just fantasies. She only reported him after they split up or broke off their relationship. I'm not saying police weren't at fault but she does not come across as a good egg. My opinion anyway. Ud like to think the judicial system was right but I have my doubts.

gpo746

3,397 posts

129 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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OK
Acid test

If she was your relative would you let her babysit ?

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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mu0n said:
Before she reported him though she did engage in sexual fantasies with him involving minors. This was well before she reported him and she said it was just fantasies. She only reported him after they split up or broke off their relationship. I'm not saying police weren't at fault but she does not come across as a good egg. My opinion anyway. Ud like to think the judicial system was right but I have my doubts.
Not followed any of this tbh. However it all Seems fairly straight forward from what's being reported on today. Glad the police service respect the verdict, hate to think if those in authority know better and ignored the verdict perhaps they are allowed them to form another opinion.....

Back to the quote above; So are you saying the judge and the jury wasn't made aware of the details you post above so got it wrong? Or they were aware, but found her not guilty anyway to which you don't agree?

carinaman

21,224 posts

171 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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'Learning Lessons'?

Huntley was known about. The information was there. The Bichard Report identified the ways the police could share information to identify those that are a threat to children.

Allegations about Watkins sexual interest in underage kids was drawn to the attention of three different police forces. Those photos of Watkins in Hospitals with kids in South Wales? Were those photos taken after the police had been informed of his sexual preferences? Where does that sit with the Bichard Report?

If any of these police officers have been found to have come up short in safeguarding minors from Watkins' attentions and get dismissed or imprisoned, then perhaps they'll be some consideration about whether any action should be taken against the police and social workers that failed to protect over a 1,000 children for over a decade in Rotherham?


Ah yeah, we need the Snooper's Charter to protect us from Paedophiles and Terrorists....

scratchchin


Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 14th January 19:57

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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mu0n said:
How the hell did she get away with that!!

She seemed equally as sick. Reported him because he didn't want to be with her it appears.
from the news today it sounded completely plausible and in fact made you wonder why the police charged her.

she tried again and again to report him and the police ignored her so she got pictures to show them proof.

wasnt in court but i imagine that may make sense to somebody who was ignored by plod

5ohmustang

2,755 posts

114 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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I met Ian Watkins late 2000 when the Lost Prophets were supporting kill2this. He was very polite, him and the rest of the band members seemed like a bunch of great guys. When I read what he had been doing I couldn't believe it. The more recent mugshot of him looks like a totally different person.

When I came back to England for Christmas holiday I found my old photos and trashed them along with the Shinobi Vs. Dragon Ninja CD.

I don't understand how someone on the surface seemed like a really down to earth guy but really was a sick twisted animal.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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After he was convicted, the Police rang her and thanked her for her help in securing evidence and the conviction. Then 3 months later started prosecuting her. Bunch of wallies.

She's been found not guilty, but that's not enough for some PHers. Trial by media in full effect.

Disastrous

10,072 posts

216 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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5ohmustang said:
I met Ian Watkins late 2000 when the Lost Prophets were supporting kill2this. He was very polite, him and the rest of the band members seemed like a bunch of great guys. When I read what he had been doing I couldn't believe it. The more recent mugshot of him looks like a totally different person.

When I came back to England for Christmas holiday I found my old photos and trashed them along with the Shinobi Vs. Dragon Ninja CD.

I don't understand how someone on the surface seemed like a really down to earth guy but really was a sick twisted animal.
Would you be expecting him to wear an "I heart kids" t shirt?

I'm always surprised that people think it's surprising that they didn't 'spot' a paedo. I mean, you know you're a wrong 'un, so why would you advertise it to people?

Besides, by all accounts he was pretty normal until he went off the rails much later so perhaps he wasn't when you met him.

We were on the same bill as them probably about 1998 and I just remember him being a bit of a and not holding the door for our bass player who was carrying a cab through. And gay hair.

Smiler.

11,752 posts

229 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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OpulentBob said:
After he was convicted, the Police rang her and thanked her for her help in securing evidence and the conviction. Then 3 months later started prosecuting her. Bunch of wallies.

She's been found not guilty, but that's not enough for some PHers. Trial by media in full effect.
The recent account in the Telegraph (before the verdict) did make her look guilty as sin.

I was surprised when I heard the verdict & then read some of the commentary on this thread.

TroubledSoul

4,589 posts

193 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Disastrous said:
5ohmustang said:
I met Ian Watkins late 2000 when the Lost Prophets were supporting kill2this. He was very polite, him and the rest of the band members seemed like a bunch of great guys. When I read what he had been doing I couldn't believe it. The more recent mugshot of him looks like a totally different person.

When I came back to England for Christmas holiday I found my old photos and trashed them along with the Shinobi Vs. Dragon Ninja CD.

I don't understand how someone on the surface seemed like a really down to earth guy but really was a sick twisted animal.
Would you be expecting him to wear an "I heart kids" t shirt?

I'm always surprised that people think it's surprising that they didn't 'spot' a paedo. I mean, you know you're a wrong 'un, so why would you advertise it to people?

Besides, by all accounts he was pretty normal until he went off the rails much later so perhaps he wasn't when you met him.

We were on the same bill as them probably about 1998 and I just remember him being a bit of a and not holding the door for our bass player who was carrying a cab through. And gay hair.
Saw them in Leeds shortly before all this kicked off. Gutted he turned out to be such a sick fk. I loved their music. I think I have a signed copy of the last album somewhere.... Touched by those hands....

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swansea v6

1,279 posts

224 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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my take was that the police ignored her complaints thought the years, maybe she did come across as a bit of a pissed off fan? But I thought his house was raised for drugs, not child porn? So why would the police have thanked her for alerting them to the mothers involved? All weird.

carinaman

21,224 posts

171 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Three police forces failed to use the leads on him, inc. South Yorks., the one that looked the other way while over 1,000 kids were getting groomed and raped in Rotherham. The same force that tipped off the BBC about where to fly their helicopter so they could get the footage while they raided the apartment of Sir Cliff Richard.

8 police officers at three different police forces will have their actions and decisions scrutinised. Enough of a reason to smear this former 'sex worker'?

One article says she was a former Special Constable. Would that be another reason to rubbish her given the potential repercussions for the officers that didn't action the leads?

carinaman

21,224 posts

171 months

Sunday 18th January 2015
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mu0n said:
Before she reported him though she did engage in sexual fantasies with him involving minors. This was well before she reported him and she said it was just fantasies. She only reported him after they split up or broke off their relationship. I'm not saying police weren't at fault but she does not come across as a good egg. My opinion anyway. Ud like to think the judicial system was right but I have my doubts.
Lawyer for ex girlfriend of paedophile musician Ian Watkins hits out at police Police prosecuted Joanna Mjadzelics to cover up their failure to investigate warnings on rock star says lawyer a Guardian article by Jamie Doward said:
“They phoned her up and said: ‘we can’t thank you enough: without you, we would not have been able to prosecute him.’ And then they put her on trial. It was a mysterious prosecution, really hard to justify.”

Her information led to Watkins being jailed for 35 years. Two women accomplices were given sentences of 17 and 15 years respectively. “That’s 66 years of public service that she gave,” said Wolkind, “for which they charged her. It was a dirty prosecution. She was on a mission to save children and babies from abuse and the police were on a mission to cover up their neglect.”

Files passed between the three police forces said Mjadzelics had been sectioned but this was untrue. The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating the failure to look into her concerns.
from: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/17/law...

Former police officer Derek Smith did a PH thread entitled 'The Press mislead you and I'.

How much of the stuff in the Press is fed to them by police officers or other public sector agencies?

Just as well judges remind juries that they need to try to forget all they've read and heard in the Press and Media eh?

I'm not sure how trying to smear and undermine former police officer Joanne Mjadzelics compares to the way Notts. Child sex abuse victim and Operation Daybreak whistle blower, Melanie Shaw continues to be treated.

Martin4x4

6,506 posts

131 months

Sunday 18th January 2015
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carinaman said:
Huntley was known about. The information was there. The Bichard Report identified the ways the police could share information to identify those that are a threat to children.
The sex offenders database at Humberside police was ordered to be destroyed by a Chair of the Police Authority who has persistently been the focus of allegations of child sexual abuse. Coincidence? I've never believed so.

Police authority chairman (Colin Inglis) defiant

Cops At Dinner Of Man Accused Of Child Sex Abuse

Ex-council (Colin Inglis) chief 'abused boy, 13'


Edited by Martin4x4 on Sunday 18th January 08:47

carinaman

21,224 posts

171 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Martin4x4 said:
The sex offenders database at Humberside police was ordered to be destroyed by a Chair of the Police Authority who has persistently been the focus of allegations of child sexual abuse. Coincidence? I've never believed so.
Thanks for that and the links. That was news to me.

Joanne Mjadzelics was interviewed about 28 minutes in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0511v9r

dudleybloke

19,718 posts

185 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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Seems the sick is being transferred to a nicer jail.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/557104/Ian-Watkin...

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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BlackLabel said:
How could anyone let something like this or risk of this possibly slide for the sake of an easy ride?

Incompetence arrogance or golden goodbye is coming so don't rock the boat.




On a separate note how is young Ian Watkins doing these days? Has he been on the receiving end of savage assault whilst inside prison? If any of the guards are preventing a daily battering and soddomy with blades then they too should be sacked.