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Digga said:
Top phrasology from the Mash.
I feel sorry for young lads today (and the girls they'll be anatomically unfamiliar with) if the ban takes effect, I mean it's not like you can go to the nearst hedgerow to mine a few jazz mags out these days.
Suddenly your user name makes sense.I feel sorry for young lads today (and the girls they'll be anatomically unfamiliar with) if the ban takes effect, I mean it's not like you can go to the nearst hedgerow to mine a few jazz mags out these days.
Morningside said:
Why not have a family computer in view of everyone so that parents can SEE what they are browsing?
Both my kids have to use computers to do homework, and they both have smatphones. We also have 2 tablet devices. Standing over your while thwy do their home work just isn't an option.I've set my router to stop certain sites, and with some it just doesn't seem to work. I've also set up K9 to block sites on the kids homework computers, and its definately not 100%
The internet is fast becoming available on every device, games machine, PC, phone etc. do we seriously have to stand there watching our kids every move just so you can have a tug without having to ask for it to be switched on?
Parents should be responsible for what their children see and do online. If they don't know enough to implement security measures, there are plenty of people they can ask who do. Blanket censorship is NEVER the answer.
As for the DM....well, it's utter guff. All the settings are already there in the browser for basic security/filtering. It's no victory at all - proclaiming it as such doesn't make it so.
And here's the kicker: right next to the headline are links proclaiming
"Has Kelly FINALLY gone too far? Ms Brook sexes it up in a behind-the-scenes peek at her very raunchy 2013 calendar shoot."
"'I'll never be the kind of person who thinks I'm so hot': Kelly Osbourne flaunts her bikini body following 69lb weight loss."
"A dream in aquamarine! Rihanna relaxes in a VERY low-cut monokini after wild shopping spree at Barbados market."
"That's one way to be remembered: Sinitta, 44, strips off to reveal a frilly white bikini as she performs at the Hit Factory reunion So Macho in the 1980s."
"Stay classy! Jodie Marsh does demure in a trouser suit before ditching her modesty for revealing pink bikini She's a lady of so many styles..."
"Showing off his disco ball! Louis Smith strips off in naked magazine shoot as he reveals Michelle Keegan is his ideal woman Hope she's impressed."
"'I was very sexual at a young age': Candice Swanepoel speaks about her sensuality and why she loves Brazil Always bound to be a Victoria's Secret angel."
"In case we needed reminding! Kim Kardashian is back to her best as she strips off for sizzling new bikini shoot."
And that's not even all of them.
Of course, lots (and lots) of pictures of these women in their smalls are required. A f
king disgraceful hypocrisy of a paper.
As for the DM....well, it's utter guff. All the settings are already there in the browser for basic security/filtering. It's no victory at all - proclaiming it as such doesn't make it so.
And here's the kicker: right next to the headline are links proclaiming
"Has Kelly FINALLY gone too far? Ms Brook sexes it up in a behind-the-scenes peek at her very raunchy 2013 calendar shoot."
"'I'll never be the kind of person who thinks I'm so hot': Kelly Osbourne flaunts her bikini body following 69lb weight loss."
"A dream in aquamarine! Rihanna relaxes in a VERY low-cut monokini after wild shopping spree at Barbados market."
"That's one way to be remembered: Sinitta, 44, strips off to reveal a frilly white bikini as she performs at the Hit Factory reunion So Macho in the 1980s."
"Stay classy! Jodie Marsh does demure in a trouser suit before ditching her modesty for revealing pink bikini She's a lady of so many styles..."
"Showing off his disco ball! Louis Smith strips off in naked magazine shoot as he reveals Michelle Keegan is his ideal woman Hope she's impressed."
"'I was very sexual at a young age': Candice Swanepoel speaks about her sensuality and why she loves Brazil Always bound to be a Victoria's Secret angel."
"In case we needed reminding! Kim Kardashian is back to her best as she strips off for sizzling new bikini shoot."
And that's not even all of them.
Of course, lots (and lots) of pictures of these women in their smalls are required. A f
king disgraceful hypocrisy of a paper.Edited by Funk on Saturday 22 December 11:00
Funk said:
Parents should be responsible for what their children see and do online. If they don't know enough to implement security measures, there are plenty of people they can ask who do. Blanket censorship is NEVER the answer.
As for the DM....well, it's utter guff. All the settings are already there in the browser for basic security/filtering. It's no victory at all - proclaiming it as such doesn't make it so.
And here's the kicker: right next to the headline are links proclaiming
"Has Kelly FINALLY gone too far? Ms Brook sexes it up in a behind-the-scenes peek at her very raunchy 2013 calendar shoot."
"'I'll never be the kind of person who thinks I'm so hot': Kelly Osbourne flaunts her bikini body following 69lb weight loss."
"A dream in aquamarine! Rihanna relaxes in a VERY low-cut monokini after wild shopping spree at Barbados market."
"That's one way to be remembered: Sinitta, 44, strips off to reveal a frilly white bikini as she performs at the Hit Factory reunion So Macho in the 1980s."
"Stay classy! Jodie Marsh does demure in a trouser suit before ditching her modesty for revealing pink bikini She's a lady of so many styles..."
"Showing off his disco ball! Louis Smith strips off in naked magazine shoot as he reveals Michelle Keegan is his ideal woman Hope she's impressed."
"'I was very sexual at a young age': Candice Swanepoel speaks about her sensuality and why she loves Brazil Always bound to be a Victoria's Secret angel."
"In case we needed reminding! Kim Kardashian is back to her best as she strips off for sizzling new bikini shoot."
And that's not even all of them.
Of course, lots (and lots) of pictures of these women in their smalls are required. A fking disgraceful hypocrisy of a paper.
Tell me how you secure a smartphone using your home wifi? How would the average person do that? Neighbours of mine don't even know how to install anti virus.As for the DM....well, it's utter guff. All the settings are already there in the browser for basic security/filtering. It's no victory at all - proclaiming it as such doesn't make it so.
And here's the kicker: right next to the headline are links proclaiming
"Has Kelly FINALLY gone too far? Ms Brook sexes it up in a behind-the-scenes peek at her very raunchy 2013 calendar shoot."
"'I'll never be the kind of person who thinks I'm so hot': Kelly Osbourne flaunts her bikini body following 69lb weight loss."
"A dream in aquamarine! Rihanna relaxes in a VERY low-cut monokini after wild shopping spree at Barbados market."
"That's one way to be remembered: Sinitta, 44, strips off to reveal a frilly white bikini as she performs at the Hit Factory reunion So Macho in the 1980s."
"Stay classy! Jodie Marsh does demure in a trouser suit before ditching her modesty for revealing pink bikini She's a lady of so many styles..."
"Showing off his disco ball! Louis Smith strips off in naked magazine shoot as he reveals Michelle Keegan is his ideal woman Hope she's impressed."
"'I was very sexual at a young age': Candice Swanepoel speaks about her sensuality and why she loves Brazil Always bound to be a Victoria's Secret angel."
"In case we needed reminding! Kim Kardashian is back to her best as she strips off for sizzling new bikini shoot."
And that's not even all of them.
Of course, lots (and lots) of pictures of these women in their smalls are required. A f
king disgraceful hypocrisy of a paper.Edited by Funk on Saturday 22 December 11:00
98elise said:
Tell me how you secure a smartphone using your home wifi? How would the average person do that? Neighbours of mine don't even know how to install anti virus.
If you can't operate it, learn, don't buy it, or deal with the consequences. Don't expect me to deal with them for you.The Black Flash said:
98elise said:
Tell me how you secure a smartphone using your home wifi? How would the average person do that? Neighbours of mine don't even know how to install anti virus.
If you can't operate it, learn, don't buy it, or deal with the consequences. Don't expect me to deal with them for you.Phone providers (my one anyway) block porn unless you ask for it to be unblocked. Nobody moans, if you want a tug, just ask the call centre to unblock it, or tick the "I'd like porn" box when you sign up.
98elise said:
The Black Flash said:
98elise said:
Tell me how you secure a smartphone using your home wifi? How would the average person do that? Neighbours of mine don't even know how to install anti virus.
If you can't operate it, learn, don't buy it, or deal with the consequences. Don't expect me to deal with them for you.Phone providers (my one anyway) block porn unless you ask for it to be unblocked. Nobody moans, if you want a tug, just ask the call centre to unblock it, or tick the "I'd like porn" box when you sign up.
As noted above, it's all very well saying "block porn" but I bet you don't have the same definition of porn as I do, or as the bloke next door does, or as the imam at the local mosque does.
It's not about being an "IT expert". It's about being mature enough to take responsibility for the technology you give your children.
Why should I have any faff at all, just because you can't be arsed to spend a few minutes (or hours, whatever) sorting out The Internet for your children? They're apparently precious enough for you to be outraged at the notion that they might see porn, but not quite precious enough for you to take the time and effort to put in place a reasonable system to ensure it doesn't happen.
Deal with it at the router; you can buy things to do this (literally 5 minutes of searching revealed a £37 router with parental control). If you don't trust them with the data plans on their phones, turn it off.
CommanderJameson said:
98elise said:
The Black Flash said:
98elise said:
Tell me how you secure a smartphone using your home wifi? How would the average person do that? Neighbours of mine don't even know how to install anti virus.
If you can't operate it, learn, don't buy it, or deal with the consequences. Don't expect me to deal with them for you.Phone providers (my one anyway) block porn unless you ask for it to be unblocked. Nobody moans, if you want a tug, just ask the call centre to unblock it, or tick the "I'd like porn" box when you sign up.
As noted above, it's all very well saying "block porn" but I bet you don't have the same definition of porn as I do, or as the bloke next door does, or as the imam at the local mosque does.
It's not about being an "IT expert". It's about being mature enough to take responsibility for the technology you give your children.
Why should I have any faff at all, just because you can't be arsed to spend a few minutes (or hours, whatever) sorting out The Internet for your children? They're apparently precious enough for you to be outraged at the notion that they might see porn, but not quite precious enough for you to take the time and effort to put in place a reasonable system to ensure it doesn't happen.
Deal with it at the router; you can buy things to do this (literally 5 minutes of searching revealed a £37 router with parental control). If you don't trust them with the data plans on their phones, turn it off.
Why is it you feel so strogly about internet porn not having a simple on/off at the ISP? Unfortunately it comes down to the fact that you get embarrassed because you might have to ask a stranger to turn your porn on/off, or your wife might disagree what sites you look at.
In all other media there are controls. Would you be happy if sky broadcast porn channels during the day, without any parental controls?
CommanderJameson said:
No. Bugger off. If you want your kids to stay off the grot, it's up to you to sort it out.
As noted above, it's all very well saying "block porn" but I bet you don't have the same definition of porn as I do, or as the bloke next door does, or as the imam at the local mosque does.
It's not about being an "IT expert". It's about being mature enough to take responsibility for the technology you give your children.
Why should I have any faff at all, just because you can't be arsed to spend a few minutes (or hours, whatever) sorting out The Internet for your children? They're apparently precious enough for you to be outraged at the notion that they might see porn, but not quite precious enough for you to take the time and effort to put in place a reasonable system to ensure it doesn't happen.
Deal with it at the router; you can buy things to do this (literally 5 minutes of searching revealed a £37 router with parental control). If you don't trust them with the data plans on their phones, turn it off.
This, pretty much. I find it astonishing that parents are so unwilling to try and restrict their kids' internet usage and think it's someone else's job. As noted above, it's all very well saying "block porn" but I bet you don't have the same definition of porn as I do, or as the bloke next door does, or as the imam at the local mosque does.
It's not about being an "IT expert". It's about being mature enough to take responsibility for the technology you give your children.
Why should I have any faff at all, just because you can't be arsed to spend a few minutes (or hours, whatever) sorting out The Internet for your children? They're apparently precious enough for you to be outraged at the notion that they might see porn, but not quite precious enough for you to take the time and effort to put in place a reasonable system to ensure it doesn't happen.
Deal with it at the router; you can buy things to do this (literally 5 minutes of searching revealed a £37 router with parental control). If you don't trust them with the data plans on their phones, turn it off.
OH's nephews aged 12 and 14 had completely unfettered internet access and managed to f
k up their laptops by downloading all kinds of rubbish, which OH was then expected to go and fix. In doing so, he found they'd regularly been accessing porn sites but when he tactfully suggested to their mother that he could put parental controls on, she shrugged, said she couldn't be bothered and that they might as well learn about sex from somewhere other than their friends. 98elise said:
Why is it you feel so strogly about internet porn not having a simple on/off at the ISP?
All nannying ste like this should be off by default - you want it, you ask for it. I don't understand quite how it's come to the point where stuff is being blocked by default anywhere, probably for the same reason as people in this country bend over and take it up the arse when it comes to anything. No arguing, just pretend it's to stop kittens dying, or protect someone else's little children. Well fk that, and them - that's their parents job to ensure, whether it's to make use of a service or do themselves, not something which should inconvenience everyone else.S13_Alan said:
98elise said:
Why is it you feel so strogly about internet porn not having a simple on/off at the ISP?
All nannying ste like this should be off by default - you want it, you ask for it. I don't understand quite how it's come to the point where stuff is being blocked by default anywhere, probably for the same reason as people in this country bend over and take it up the arse when it comes to anything. No arguing, just pretend it's to stop kittens dying, or protect someone else's little children. Well fk that, and them - that's their parents job to ensure, whether it's to make use of a service or do themselves, not something which should inconvenience everyone else.In reality its just much better to have some simple central filters that you opt in, or out of. It doesn't have to be a default either, it can just be how you set up your account in the first place., ie do you want filtered or un filtered access? Even even better would be to simply have a set of filtering controls available under your account with the ISP. Then you don't need to worry about asking for it.
98elise said:
As I've said, i know how to do it, but it does not always work. My router lets me block words, or specific sites. Some sites that are blocked can still be viewed regardless. It doesn't take a genius to see that it would be better to have the facility at the ISP. Most users just wouldn't have a clue.
Why is it you feel so strogly about internet porn not having a simple on/off at the ISP? Unfortunately it comes down to the fact that you get embarrassed because you might have to ask a stranger to turn your porn on/off, or your wife might disagree what sites you look at.
In all other media there are controls. Would you be happy if sky broadcast porn channels during the day, without any parental controls?
What's porn, anyway? Is it the Ann Summers website? Is it an exhibition of Robert Mapplethorpe photographs? Is it the pages on Wikipedia that discuss sex? Is it any picture of a penis, vagina or breast?Why is it you feel so strogly about internet porn not having a simple on/off at the ISP? Unfortunately it comes down to the fact that you get embarrassed because you might have to ask a stranger to turn your porn on/off, or your wife might disagree what sites you look at.
In all other media there are controls. Would you be happy if sky broadcast porn channels during the day, without any parental controls?
I'm not actually interested in the details of your answer because it's beside the point. Which is that one man's filth is another man's art is another man's outrageous material for which you deserve very literally to die.
I don't feel particularly strongly about pornography in particular, but I do feel strongly about having people interfere with what I should be allowed to look at, just because they wish to delegate their parental responsibilities to others.
Here's the deal. There's porn on the Internet, and if I, as a paying-for-my-Internet-connection adult want to look at it, then why the hell shouldn't I, I unencumbered by controls to safeguard the under-age children I haven't got?
As before. You want to let your kids on the Internet, that's your problem, not mine.
98elise said:
What are your thoughts on the availabilty of porn on the TV at any time of day, no restricions or pin codes to annoy you, or just mixing porn in with comics etc? It would then be up to the individual to watch their kids 24/7.
In reality its just much better to have some simple central filters that you opt in, or out of. It doesn't have to be a default either, it can just be how you set up your account in the first place., ie do you want filtered or un filtered access? Even even better would be to simply have a set of filtering controls available under your account with the ISP. Then you don't need to worry about asking for it.
I don't think it should displayed in shops in that way, in the same way I don't think it should be the thing that gets played in tvs that are in display. Don't see any relevance to paid services.In reality its just much better to have some simple central filters that you opt in, or out of. It doesn't have to be a default either, it can just be how you set up your account in the first place., ie do you want filtered or un filtered access? Even even better would be to simply have a set of filtering controls available under your account with the ISP. Then you don't need to worry about asking for it.
Like I said - if you want to opt in to controls, than you should be able to, however the rest of us shouldn't by default have to do anything to gain unrestricted access to a service which we have.
Yes the pin code on Virgin TV is a total pain in the arse, but I don't think I can remove it. We had it reset to 0000 which is about the closest you get. It's quite staggering the diversity of things which are blocked - nobody in this house has been under 18 for a long time, yet we all have this imposed on us. That's stupid.
Have come across more than one non porn related website on o2 that's blocked but haven't had a fight with them over it yet. Apparently I've to go out my way to provide identification or something to get it unlocked... well they know I'm over 18, I've been a customer for a long time, and I've had to pay by CC initially and also show a driving license at the time I took out my first contract to prove my age. That's stupid.
I don't think that I need to be protected by someone else in this way. I don't think someone else can make the call in advance, and is able to decide for me, and for you, what we should be able to view or read, or indeed what is offensive.
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