Dave's latest u-turn.
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"The government also announced it was delaying plans to impose a nationwide £500-a-week welfare benefit cap, due to start next April.
The Department for Work and Pensions said the full scheme would not now start until the summer, and in the meantime four London boroughs would implement the cap to test it in a controlled live environment."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/dec/20/lab...
The Department for Work and Pensions said the full scheme would not now start until the summer, and in the meantime four London boroughs would implement the cap to test it in a controlled live environment."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/dec/20/lab...
fbrs said:
how can anyone object to the government capping benefits at double the amount they pay millions of workers? the mind boggles. what the fvck are labour smoking?
As I understand it, a significant proportion of the population of Tower Hamlets is going to be turfed out as a result of this, meaning that richer people will move in and turn it from Labour to Conservative. Not that that will have any bearing, of course.It does raise some interesting questions.
I live in London, get paid a decent wage (by average standards), and like it here.
I agree that living the high life at the taxpayers benefit has to be curtailed but at the same time wonder where people on a minimum or low wage will come from if this is implemented.
Deva Link said:
fbrs said:
500 quid a week? thats fvcking ridiculous. what's a nurse/squaddie/cops weekly take home?
Mad isn't it? Why would anyone work when they can get £500/wk on the dole? 
OzzyR1 said:
I agree that living the high life at the taxpayers benefit has to be curtailed but at the same time wonder where people on a minimum or low wage will come from if this is implemented.
Or perhaps were they will stay and were the people with money will have to move to, to get the services.Deva Link said:
Mad isn't it? Why would anyone work when they can get £500/wk on the dole?
I wonder how many individual benefits you would have to claim before you would get anywhere near that £500 figure.JSA for me was £142 every 2 weeks. The humiliating walk to the job centre every two weeks was one of the most demoralising things I have done.
How much does the median jobless person receive in social welfare?
I often here rumor of this "better of not working" thing but in my experience, when you investigate all payments, you realize that actually at almost any point you are better off working. I learned this back when I worked in retail banking trying to sneak home loans through the advancing team.
I often here rumor of this "better of not working" thing but in my experience, when you investigate all payments, you realize that actually at almost any point you are better off working. I learned this back when I worked in retail banking trying to sneak home loans through the advancing team.
davepoth said:
fbrs said:
how can anyone object to the government capping benefits at double the amount they pay millions of workers? the mind boggles. what the fvck are labour smoking?
As I understand it, a significant proportion of the population of Tower Hamlets is going to be turfed out as a result of this, meaning that richer people will move in and turn it from Labour to Conservative. Not that that will have any bearing, of course.If you don't work, and get a free house, it does not need to be in the most expensive city in the country. Especially when I'm paying for it, but couldn't afford to live there myself.
Its time that benefits become a short term safety net for all, not a career for a few.
oyster said:
So it's being piloted for 3 months before full nationwide implementation. Sensible approach I'd have thought.
How is that a u-turn OP?
A. It's not the original plan.How is that a u-turn OP?
B. It's been massively scaled down, next step will be to drop it.
Dave has shown no ability to turn tough talk into actions (again).
98elise said:
Do you think its right that lots of people who work in london cannot afford to live there, and lots of people whk don't can (through benefits)?
You could turn that on its head and say do you think it fair the taxpayer subsidises London property prices by paying top-whack for benefits claimants to live there?My daughter is a midwife. She can't afford housing in London. She can't afford to commute. She has subsidised housing but it is shared.
She likes working in London but will look for work elsewhere in the summer. She's thinking of going to Hong Kong for a couple of years, saving up whilst out there due to the cheap housing and high wages.
A considerable number of midwives would like to move out into their own accommodation but are unable to if they remain working in or around London.
Want to be nursed, have your bins emptied, your fires put out and your babies born in low risk conditions? Then you will have to pay.
She likes working in London but will look for work elsewhere in the summer. She's thinking of going to Hong Kong for a couple of years, saving up whilst out there due to the cheap housing and high wages.
A considerable number of midwives would like to move out into their own accommodation but are unable to if they remain working in or around London.
Want to be nursed, have your bins emptied, your fires put out and your babies born in low risk conditions? Then you will have to pay.
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