BBC Golden Goodbyes
Discussion
Halb said:
DonkeyApple said:
On a property we have I have taken down the aerial and removed the internal sockets. The property also has no phone line or wifi so is easy to prove compliance. On another we do have wifi but it is a question of whether you can prove you have not been using it to access live terrestrial broadcasts.
Anyone for charades or sardines? DonkeyApple said:
Exactly. It's a very convenient situation. 
The more people who read the print and take appropriate action then the sooner some things will change.
TV on demand and through the Internet will need the current situation revising formally and the more people who understand then the better off we will be when this revision happens.
That's a fairly recent change. Still useless for people like me on the edges of the wild who get better streaming on my 3g phone. The more people who read the print and take appropriate action then the sooner some things will change.
TV on demand and through the Internet will need the current situation revising formally and the more people who understand then the better off we will be when this revision happens.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: ...it's cheap enough for what you get, but think how much cheaper it could be if you cut out some of those pointless layers of management?
Or better...how many gems like Zen could be made!Re the sardines, I take a box with all the week's TV downloads so no shortage of rubbish to watch.
REALIST123 said:
I repeat, make the license fee truly voluntary, with a block on receiving BBC channels if you like, and see what happens.
All the bits i enjoy like BBC 4, Radio 4 and 6 music will vanish while brainless st will multiple like some horrible cancer quickly followed by me getting rid of my telly license thinfourth2 said:
REALIST123 said:
I repeat, make the license fee truly voluntary, with a block on receiving BBC channels if you like, and see what happens.
All the bits i enjoy like BBC 4, Radio 4 and 6 music will vanish while brainless st will multiple like some horrible cancer quickly followed by me getting rid of my telly license Funk said:
I also wholly believe that people are deliberately misled into thinking they need a TV licence if they simply 'have' a TV. The fact you're interrogated for your address when purchasing a TV in a retail environment supports this.
They don't want people realising they don't need one.
There is also people who believe it is utterly impossible to live without an idiot boxThey don't want people realising they don't need one.
thinfourth2 said:
Funk said:
I also wholly believe that people are deliberately misled into thinking they need a TV licence if they simply 'have' a TV. The fact you're interrogated for your address when purchasing a TV in a retail environment supports this.
They don't want people realising they don't need one.
There is also people who believe it is utterly impossible to live without an idiot boxThey don't want people realising they don't need one.
DonkeyApple said:
Mojocvh said:
<devils advocate mode on>
So what about an "steerable" sat system in which UK FTA/V transponders are not in the receivers memory?
<and off>
The key is to be able to demonstrably show that you are not accessing the services for which the TV License is required. So what about an "steerable" sat system in which UK FTA/V transponders are not in the receivers memory?
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On a property we have I have taken down the aerial and removed the internal sockets. The property also has no phone line or wifi so is easy to prove compliance. On another we do have wifi but it is a question of whether you can prove you have not been using it to access live terrestrial broadcasts.
DonkeyApple said:
Mojocvh said:
<devils advocate mode on>
So what about an "steerable" sat system in which UK FTA/V transponders are not in the receivers memory?
<and off>
The key is to be able to demonstrably show that you are not accessing the services for which the TV License is required. So what about an "steerable" sat system in which UK FTA/V transponders are not in the receivers memory?
<and off>
On a property we have I have taken down the aerial and removed the internal sockets. The property also has no phone line or wifi so is easy to prove compliance. On another we do have wifi but it is a question of whether you can prove you have not been using it to access live terrestrial broadcasts.
You do not have to remove sockets. You do not have to remove aerials. You don't even have to unplug the aerial from the TV. The offence is 'receiving or recording a live broadcast' not 'having an aerial on your roof', 'having a socket on your wall' or 'having wi-fi'.
You're not obliged to talk to them, to give them your name or allow them into your home. They're a private contractor with ZERO legal rights to enter your property or interrogate you.
They work on the basis that most people do not know the law and that most people will cower when presented with some form of officialdom, verbose legalese twaddle or inferred authority.
Do not engage them, do not talk to them, do not answer their questions, do not let them harass you. You do not have to prove anything to them whatsoever.
Funk said:
ot have to remove sockets. You do not have to remove aerials. You don't even have to unplug the aerial from the TV. The offence is 'receiving or recording a live broadcast' not 'having an aerial on your roof', 'having a socket on your wall' or 'having wi-fi'.
I am assuming that over the years plenty of people have been done for not having a tv licence. How do they prove you have been recieving live broadcasts in those cases?I assume I wouldn't have a leg to stand on because I pay willingly for sky and they would claim I must use it because i pay.
Also what about car radio doesn't the tv licence cover that? could they claim to have heard you listening to radio 4?
They have to have evidence of you watching or recording live broadcasts; simple as that. If you're watching TV and it's visible through the window (and you're not paying the licence fee) then you're bang to rights. I think the majority of people who've been prosecuted have admitted to the offence in the first place, making it an easy win for Capita (who run the whole scheme).
As for a radio - no licence required. You don't need one for iPlayer or any other catchup service. A live 'stream' (ie. it's going out at the same time as an OTA broadcast) would require a licence.
By their own admission, their database is the 'main tool' for 'catching evaders':
A: TV Licensing's database of almost 30 million UK addresses is the main tool we use to catch evaders.
They have no idea whether you a) need a licence or b) are watching live broadcasts. They simply attempt to bully people into buying a licence. Their own answer shows that they are simply looking through the database at who hasn't got one and then sending them letters or showing up on doorsteps.
They're cagey about their 'detection' methods too - mainly because there aren't any, other than spying on you through a window or getting you to admit to it.
As for a radio - no licence required. You don't need one for iPlayer or any other catchup service. A live 'stream' (ie. it's going out at the same time as an OTA broadcast) would require a licence.
By their own admission, their database is the 'main tool' for 'catching evaders':
A: TV Licensing's database of almost 30 million UK addresses is the main tool we use to catch evaders.
They have no idea whether you a) need a licence or b) are watching live broadcasts. They simply attempt to bully people into buying a licence. Their own answer shows that they are simply looking through the database at who hasn't got one and then sending them letters or showing up on doorsteps.
They're cagey about their 'detection' methods too - mainly because there aren't any, other than spying on you through a window or getting you to admit to it.
Halb said:
The old van with the 'turning thing', was that just nonsense?
Yes.Interesting. My TV is very visible and open plan front garden does not help.
Mother in laws has a dining room up front living room cannot be seen unless they break in.
Edited by Pesty on Friday 28th December 14:12
Gene Vincent said:
Kinel thats a bit ministry of state security ala east Germany isn't it.We will root out the enemy, you will be found!
Pesty said:
Gene Vincent said:
Kinel thats a bit ministry of state security ala east Germany isn't it.We will root out the enemy, you will be found!
That is just one example of how far a 'trusted institution' can pervert thinking.
Apparently these vans were not only believed to exist in huge numbers but were continually prowling the streets every night with 'hit' squads.
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