Indian Gang Rape woman dead

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steve singh

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172 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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EDLT said:
Doesn't India still have a caste system?

Never understood why that sthole appeals to so many people as a holiday destination.
You're obviously right and the tens of thousands who holiday there are obviously completey missing the point.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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EDLT said:
Never understood why that sthole appeals to so many people as a holiday destination.
Because not all of it is a sthole. It has good parts and not-so-good parts, much like the UK.

scenario8

6,554 posts

178 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Pipster1969 said:
My wife is working there for a week starting Sunday, any tips other than don't leave your hotel room and only use the company driver?
If it's just for a week then I doubt there'll be much time for anything other than the travelling, going to work, eating and sleeping. I'd suggest she just tries to see a bit of the place through her hotel/office/car window and enjoy the trip.

As a wider point, India isn't a one way trip to hell as some posters above seem to think. Sure, if your only acceptable holiday is 2 weeks in Monaco then it isn't for you, and if you don't want to have any experience of how the other half live then a stay is unlikely to appeal, but please don't think the place is without appeal - or that you'll be killed to death with every footstep. I'd imagine you'll see more smiling faces within 50 yards of your hotel in India than in any other country in the world - certainly more than in Monaco.

steve singh

3,995 posts

172 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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scenario8 said:
Pipster1969 said:
My wife is working there for a week starting Sunday, any tips other than don't leave your hotel room and only use the company driver?
If it's just for a week then I doubt there'll be much time for anything other than the travelling, going to work, eating and sleeping. I'd suggest she just tries to see a bit of the place through her hotel/office/car window and enjoy the trip.

As a wider point, India isn't a one way trip to hell as some posters above seem to think. Sure, if your only acceptable holiday is 2 weeks in Monaco then it isn't for you, and if you don't want to have any experience of how the other half live then a stay is unlikely to appeal, but please don't think the place is without appeal - or that you'll be killed to death with every footstep. I'd imagine you'll see more smiling faces within 50 yards of your hotel in India than in any other country in the world - certainly more than in Monaco.
+1

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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steve singh said:
Human rights and England don't always go in the same sentance.

As much as this attack sickens me, when politicans who are in effect culpable of genoicde still hold power you do have to wonder what will really change.
EFA

98elise

26,380 posts

160 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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scenario8 said:
Pipster1969 said:
My wife is working there for a week starting Sunday, any tips other than don't leave your hotel room and only use the company driver?
If it's just for a week then I doubt there'll be much time for anything other than the travelling, going to work, eating and sleeping. I'd suggest she just tries to see a bit of the place through her hotel/office/car window and enjoy the trip.

As a wider point, India isn't a one way trip to hell as some posters above seem to think. Sure, if your only acceptable holiday is 2 weeks in Monaco then it isn't for you, and if you don't want to have any experience of how the other half live then a stay is unlikely to appeal, but please don't think the place is without appeal - or that you'll be killed to death with every footstep. I'd imagine you'll see more smiling faces within 50 yards of your hotel in India than in any other country in the world - certainly more than in Monaco.
Well put. I visited Bombay in 1988 on the way to Australia. It was one of the most memorable places I've been to. Its a bit of a culture shock, but well worthy of a visit.

scenario8

6,554 posts

178 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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98elise said:
scenario8 said:
Pipster1969 said:
My wife is working there for a week starting Sunday, any tips other than don't leave your hotel room and only use the company driver?
If it's just for a week then I doubt there'll be much time for anything other than the travelling, going to work, eating and sleeping. I'd suggest she just tries to see a bit of the place through her hotel/office/car window and enjoy the trip.

As a wider point, India isn't a one way trip to hell as some posters above seem to think. Sure, if your only acceptable holiday is 2 weeks in Monaco then it isn't for you, and if you don't want to have any experience of how the other half live then a stay is unlikely to appeal, but please don't think the place is without appeal - or that you'll be killed to death with every footstep. I'd imagine you'll see more smiling faces within 50 yards of your hotel in India than in any other country in the world - certainly more than in Monaco.
Well put. I visited Bombay in 1988 on the way to Australia. It was one of the most memorable places I've been to. Its a bit of a culture shock, but well worthy of a visit.
Too right, as a Londoner it's taken me nearly two years to get over the culture shock of visiting Brisbane.

Pipster1969

695 posts

167 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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scenario8 said:
If it's just for a week then I doubt there'll be much time for anything other than the travelling, going to work, eating and sleeping. I'd suggest she just tries to see a bit of the place through her hotel/office/car window and enjoy the trip.

As a wider point, India isn't a one way trip to hell as some posters above seem to think. Sure, if your only acceptable holiday is 2 weeks in Monaco then it isn't for you, and if you don't want to have any experience of how the other half live then a stay is unlikely to appeal, but please don't think the place is without appeal - or that you'll be killed to death with every footstep. I'd imagine you'll see more smiling faces within 50 yards of your hotel in India than in any other country in the world - certainly more than in Monaco.
That's the reply we were hoping for, I think common sense is important in situations like this!

steve singh

3,995 posts

172 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Jasandjules said:
steve singh said:
Human rights and England don't always go in the same sentance.

As much as this attack sickens me, when politicans who are in effect culpable of genoicde still hold power you do have to wonder what will really change.
EFA
Not too sure about that - i've not seen any uk politicians organise train loads of activists to go from one part of a country to another part of country to systematically kill, neither have i seen any such politicians offer financial reward to police officers for killing a particular religious group, nor have I seen any such polticians order chemical factories to provide flammable materials to help burn people alive more effectively, neither have i seen the mass ordering of tyres which are placed around the necks of innocent victims and set alight.

India is improving but human rights abuses are completely ignored and quite often orchestrated by those in power.

croyde

22,709 posts

229 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Glassman said:
http://daily.bhaskar.com//article/MP-BHO-delhi-gan...



Dr Anita Shukla said:


The victim should have surrendered when surrounded by six men, at least it could have saved her intestines
'Kin 'Ell!

Went to Goa once, I call it India Lite, and that was bad enough. Indian guys would come from all over the country to just stand on the beach and letch after Western girls. I would speak to them and they were doctors and dentists and every other professional working type. They also thought that it was perfectly acceptable to grope Western women in the bars and clubs. OK this was 20 years ago and it could also be argued that the girls should have been covered up in respect to the laws and religion of the country but it still shouldn't have caused the blokes to behave that way.

Personally I have never been comfortable with holidaying in countries far poorer than my own.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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croyde said:
..Personally I have never been comfortable with holidaying in countries far poorer than my own.
A good guide - take extra caution, and do not travel alone.

Silver

4,372 posts

225 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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I visited India alone for work a couple of years ago. Yes, I had a nice hotel and a driver to get me to the office, but the only hassle I got when out was from beggars and tuk tuk drivers trying to canvass for business.

In a lot of ways it's good that a spotlight is being shone on India over sexual harassment, rape and sexual assault, but it also allows a lot of people to pretend that this kind of thing doesn't happen in their country. There's an awful lot of holier-than-thou going on in the media over this.

Bill

52,485 posts

254 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Mermaid said:
A good guide - take extra caution, and do not travel alone.
Tbh after dark that's good advice for women in this country.

MadMullah

5,265 posts

192 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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croyde said:
'Kin 'Ell!

Went to Goa once, I call it India Lite, and that was bad enough. Indian guys would come from all over the country to just stand on the beach and letch after Western girls. I would speak to them and they were doctors and dentists and every other professional working type. They also thought that it was perfectly acceptable to grope Western women in the bars and clubs. OK this was 20 years ago and it could also be argued that the girls should have been covered up in respect to the laws and religion of the country but it still shouldn't have caused the blokes to behave that way.
The problem is that the notion people away from teh western culture have is that "westernised" girls are up for it etc - hence any grabbing

now india is evolving at such an incredible place - there's people who would easily blend with life in the uk and there's those that would blend in life in Saudi. the generation gap in social thinking is just as wide as the wealth gap

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Ironically, despite being a dangerous destination for young women, you still get loads of ra girls going there to "see the real Indi-yarrrrrr", which is code for going on a safari where the savannah is a slum and the big 5 is poverty, disease, death, hunger and human misery.

They are such a backwards country and despite the money they are making on the world stage, their culture is so backwards and so far behind even China (who are themselves a terrible example) it's unreal.

steve singh

3,995 posts

172 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Mastodon2 said:
Ironically, despite being a dangerous destination for young women, you still get loads of ra girls going there to "see the real Indi-yarrrrrr", which is code for going on a safari where the savannah is a slum and the big 5 is poverty, disease, death, hunger and human misery.

They are such a backwards country and despite the money they are making on the world stage, their culture is so backwards and so far behind even China (who are themselves a terrible example) it's unreal.
Oh dear.

BliarOut

72,857 posts

238 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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There is something seriously wrong with India, this whole thing fking sickens me.

Gang rape isn't the act of an individual, it's organised. Something has got to be done about this rage


jshell

11,006 posts

204 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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The 'saved her intestines' comment confused me until one of my Indian colleagues returned to work yesterday having been in India over the Festive period.
He says that the reaction to the incident is less of a response to the rape than to the other things they did to her and why she died. I've put it in a 'Spoiler' below so that people can choose to reveal or not. It's not nice. Really. Mods can delete if requied.

The girl seemingly had the iron bar that she and her boyfriend were beaten with repeatedly inserted into her vagina with such force that when it was withdrawn it brought some lower intestine out with it. She suffered gangrene in many of her organs due to the presence of the dirty bar within her torso.

My colleague also mentioned that one of his taxi drivers offered the opinion that the guys should just have killed the victims outright so that they would not be caught. No witness, no 1st hand evidence. According to my colleague there is a huge problem with people from rural areas coming into the cities with barbarian style views who end up in public service jobs like bus and taxi driver work.


Pommygranite

14,229 posts

215 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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What's the chance of them receiving karma in prison?


funkyrobot

18,789 posts

227 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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jshell said:
The 'saved her intestines' comment confused me until one of my Indian colleagues returned to work yesterday having been in India over the Festive period.
He says that the reaction to the incident is less of a response to the rape than to the other things they did to her and why she died. I've put it in a 'Spoiler' below so that people can choose to reveal or not. It's not nice. Really. Mods can delete if requied.

The girl seemingly had the iron bar that she and her boyfriend were beaten with repeatedly inserted into her vagina with such force that when it was withdrawn it brought some lower intestine out with it. She suffered gangrene in many of her organs due to the presence of the dirty bar within her torso.

My colleague also mentioned that one of his taxi drivers offered the opinion that the guys should just have killed the victims outright so that they would not be caught. No witness, no 1st hand evidence. According to my colleague there is a huge problem with people from rural areas coming into the cities with barbarian style views who end up in public service jobs like bus and taxi driver work.
Dear god! What on earth possesses people to do things like that.

I used to have family who lived in Kenya. They said that if people mugged you out there, they would kill you and throw you into the bush. It's better for them to have no witness and to let nature take its course on the body, rather than to let someone live and point them out. frown