New police scandal

[Derek Smith]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254716/Sc...

I have to confess here that I am as guilty as anyone here.

Nice to know that there are 230,000 police officers.

The Home Office comment is a terrific one.

[Fishtigua]

No suprises there, they do very little while at work anyway.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics...

[Derek Smith]

Fishtigua said:

No suprises there, they do very little while at work anyway.

The thing is, of course, that the harder a PC works, the longer he spends inside completing paperwork, dealing with his prisoners, waiting in court for days on end.

The figures mean nothing of themselves. The City of London one might not take into consideration the country's biggest fraud squad as they work in the most fraudulent area of the country.

Do the figures take into account senior officers or is it just PCs?

It is just the tory press pushing their agenda.

The suggestion that there is anything wrong with police officers having a second job is a nonsense yet the papers take it up.

A farce.

[TheHeretic]

Derek Smith said:

The suggestion that there is anything wrong with police officers having a second job is a nonsense yet the papers take it up.

A farce.

This. I do not see what the issue is.

[smegmore]

TheHeretic said:

Derek Smith said:

The suggestion that there is anything wrong with police officers having a second job is a nonsense yet the papers take it up.

A farce.

This. I do not see what the issue is.

Nor me, providing there is no conflict of interest with police duties.

[highway]

But it's ok for ministers to have second jobs...

[Jasandjules]

highway said:

But it's ok for ministers to have second jobs...

This was exactly my thought process. MPs on a Global Warming Committee who have companies who benefit from the subsidies etc... Funny how the self serving scum have such double standards....


Is that a bandwagon I see before me Mr MP?

[Derek Smith]

It is almost certainly a press release from the tories, possibly only to cerain outlets, with the bit about officers only spending eight minutes per hour 'available'.

[10 Pence Short]

Derek Smith said:

It is almost certainly a press release from the tories, possibly only to cerain outlets, with the bit about officers only spending eight minutes per hour 'available'.

What makes you so certain that it is a press release from the Tories?

Could it not equally be following FOI requests by the press to the Police Forces and material published by governing bodies?

[Derek Smith]

smegmore said:

Nor me, providing there is no conflict of interest with police duties.

There are limitations on what business interests a police officer can have. It is one of a number. One cannot take an active part in politics, although being a victim of party politics is no problem. You cannot live where you like. Then there is the ban on joining a trades union or being affiliated in any way. The right to strike and more.

Further, some forces impose bans on police officers doing charity or other 'big society' volunteer work, such as school boards and such.

The Federation took advice on such matters a few years ago (and then were told it was outside their remit to do so) on challengiong these restrictions. The one that seemed most open was the right to strike but those bits which were based on limiting a police officer's ability to discharge his duties impartialy or might give rise to the impression that he might not be able to discharge his duties impartialy were deemed untouchable. So no living in a pub or brothel.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Keith Vaz to investigate!

Good to know the forces of honesty and integrity are now being brought to bear.

[turbobloke]

Derek Smith said:

It is almost certainly a press release from the tories, possibly only to cerain outlets, with the bit about officers only spending eight minutes per hour 'available'.

Which if true is an indictment of those media outlets who would be unwilling to publish. Are the numbers wrong? There seems to be no suggestion that the numbers are made up or exaggerated, and as the origin is police forces (hours) the police would be responsible for any error anyway.

Good to hear that the Home Sec is putting police chiefs under pressure, they could clearly do with a boot up the arse to keep them honest and out of the Courts as so many seem to be heading that way.

[Jasandjules]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Keith Vaz to investigate!

Good to know the forces of honesty and integrity are now being brought to bear.

And yet they do this with no sense of irony nor shame. Incredible.

[XCP]

Many officers and staff are part time these days. It is hardly a surprise that they do other jobs as well.

[turbobloke]

Jasandjules said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Keith Vaz to investigate!

Good to know the forces of honesty and integrity are now being brought to bear.

And yet they do this with no sense of irony nor shame. Incredible.

Reminiscent of Labour's starlet Margaret Hodge berating company chiefs for not paying enough tax.

Margaret Hodge family company pays just 0.01pc tax on 2.1bn of business generated in the UK

As to Vaz, nothing more needs to be said.

[TankRizzo]

I don't see anything wrong with this. Who cares if a copper does a bit of pallbearing in his spare time?

[turbobloke]

TankRizzo said:

I don't see anything wrong with this. Who cares if a copper does a bit of pallbearing in his spare time?

Unless the officer was part of a team called to investigate wrong-doing in the company they work for, fine. Obviously they wouldn't turn a blind eye for friends or (non police) workmates including convicted criminals. As per this story that - presumably, based on earlier comments - wouldn't be touched by lefty rags even though the numbers are from HMIC.

The Daily Mail on Increasing Police Corruption

"The Inspectorate said that the rise in corruption cases was partly due to the effects of the nationwide introduction of anti-corruption units in 2006."

Better late than never.

[XCP]

Coppers have always had jobs 'on the side'.
There is much more openness about it than there used to be however.

[Tea Pot One]

The Daily Mail is misleading people about the police again ... Police are quite rightly required to declare any business interests ... Which is what this is ... Not necessarily second jobs ! I have two such interests .... And neither is - I would suggest - a job in the normal everyday meaning ... Unless you call occasional unpaid work and renting a flat to a relative as a 'job' ... But both will be in the newspapers latest attempt to discredit police at any opportunity !!

[turbobloke]

Tea Pot One said:

The Daily Mail is misleading people about the police again ... Police are quite rightly required to declare any business interests ... Which is what this is ... Not necessarily second jobs ! I have two such interests .... And neither is - I would suggest - a job in the normal everyday meaning ... Unless you call occasional unpaid work and renting a flat to a relative as a 'job' ... But both will be in the newspapers latest attempt to discredit police at any opportunity !!

No help is needed from the newspapers, certain police do enough all on their own as an example to the lower ranks.

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Set the bar lower and there's far more to work with.

Exposing the reality of police corruption and criminality isn't a negative thing, it can only help the police to clean up their act even more. Hiding it is not an option.