Jobless man refuses to get up at 8am
Discussion
Sargeant Orange said:
blindswelledrat said:
I honestly believe that any unemployed person could get casual low-paid work. Anybody who doesnt work chooses not to.
Quite right. However while the amount of benefits they can receive is similar to the pay available in these jobs then the freeloaders will always choose the sit-on-their-arse optionPhil1 said:
MocMocaMoc said:
I think his agrument is more against sensationalist 'news' stories giving a false impression of the actual situation, a la Daily Mail. Yes these people exist, and yes they're scum and need dealing with, but if your average London Banker only pay attention to only these type of broadcast, then go on to discuss 'the scum' over cocktails and cocaine, their impression will be that ALL people on benefits are of a similar, work-shy, disposition. Which is clearly not the case.
You think stories should be blocked in case people form their own opinions! You're worried people might form sweepingly generalized opinions, then post such a broad sweeping slur as bankers discussing the news over cocktails and cocaine!I suggest such extreme examples are of no use to anyone where proper debate is the aim. One story of one ar*ehole dodging work is not representative of the whole situation, yet it'll be jumped on as such. And that's equally retarded as suggesting all bankers love cocktails and cocaine.
I dont expect stories to be blocked, I expect journalism to be fair and balanced. This is not a fair and balanced view of the situation as a whole. Of course this 'story' wasnt really intended as anything, just an unfortunate case given radio time, but people often jump on stories similar to this.
Stand around a bar for more than 10 minutes and you'll hear such awful sweeping generalisations spouted by the p*ssed up, less than educated underclass.
Heh, there I go again...
I suppose the question is how much does he get on benefits vs how much for working? If he gets more for watching TV/surfing the web all day then chances are he is not going to want to lose that and go out to work for less money. The issue lies mainly with the amount of benefits paid, though self esteem and pride would I thought motivate someone to go out to work. But I know an old friend of mine could make far more money on the Dole than he could by working..
Phil1 said:
crankedup said:
I'm speechless!this type of broadcast merely serves in the continued division within Society causing friction we could all do without. Plenty of people will be thinking all benefit recipients are like Paul, which obviously is not the case. What was the purpose of the broadcast, (or did it go out live).
I'm amazed. A useless waste of space, cheating on benefits by doing cash in hand jobs and refusing work. Yet what you care about is muzzling the media in case people realise there are free-loaders like this out there. If it was never aired then people would start claiming there are no benefit recipients like this.It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. It is for the correct authorities to administrate benefits systems. It is this type of broadcast that is, IMO, misleading the public. Do any of us know about 'Paul'? Do we know if he has mental issues? Do we know if the whole story is a 'wind-up? A nd you have the brass neck to have a pop at me! Give the issue some thought perhaps.
blindswelledrat said:
crankedup said:
Plenty of people will be thinking all benefit recipients are like Paul, which
obviously is not the case. What was the purpose of the broadcast, (or did it go out live).
In a round about way I think ALL benefits claimants are like Paul. Certainly applicable in the South East.obviously is not the case. What was the purpose of the broadcast, (or did it go out live).
I honestly believe that any unemployed person could get casual low-paid work. Anybody who doesnt work chooses not to.
crankedup said:
You jump to a hasty conclusion regarding my post, a conclusion which is wrong. You state the most obvious with your top line rant, its what 99.9% of posters will agree with which is why I haven't bothered in my post. You then take issue with the fact that I question the value of public airing of this type of red top radio nonsense.
It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. It is for the correct authorities to administrate benefits systems. It is this type of broadcast that is, IMO, misleading the public. Do any of us know about 'Paul'? Do we know if he has mental issues? Do we know if the whole story is a 'wind-up? A nd you have the brass neck to have a pop at me! Give the issue some thought perhaps.
Whilst I agree with you mostly on this Cranky, I am a little uncomfortable nonetheless. When we get people on radio/TV claiming to be homeless/destitute/badly affected by Government cuts etc I don't see may on the left saying "It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL." I just see lots of people saying " See, look what the evil baby eating Tories have done" (or such like It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. It is for the correct authorities to administrate benefits systems. It is this type of broadcast that is, IMO, misleading the public. Do any of us know about 'Paul'? Do we know if he has mental issues? Do we know if the whole story is a 'wind-up? A nd you have the brass neck to have a pop at me! Give the issue some thought perhaps.
) I've no idea whether Paul is genuine or not. We can only take things at face value. I am convinced he does not represent the majority of unemployed people. But equally I am convinced that he does represent too many unemployed people. And the uncomfortable truth is that, if we are really honest, we know there is every chance that Paul is genuine..
blindswelledrat said:
In a round about way I think ALL benefits claimants are like Paul. Certainly applicable in the South East.
I honestly believe that any unemployed person could get casual low-paid work. Anybody who doesnt work chooses not to.
I think the problem with low paid work is it just isn't worth it. I saw a job advertised recently for a cleaner at DW Sports. 6am start. 10 hours a week, minimum wage. I honestly believe that any unemployed person could get casual low-paid work. Anybody who doesnt work chooses not to.
Pointless.
andymadmak said:
crankedup said:
You jump to a hasty conclusion regarding my post, a conclusion which is wrong. You state the most obvious with your top line rant, its what 99.9% of posters will agree with which is why I haven't bothered in my post. You then take issue with the fact that I question the value of public airing of this type of red top radio nonsense.
It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. It is for the correct authorities to administrate benefits systems. It is this type of broadcast that is, IMO, misleading the public. Do any of us know about 'Paul'? Do we know if he has mental issues? Do we know if the whole story is a 'wind-up? A nd you have the brass neck to have a pop at me! Give the issue some thought perhaps.
Whilst I agree with you mostly on this Cranky, I am a little uncomfortable nonetheless. When we get people on radio/TV claiming to be homeless/destitute/badly affected by Government cuts etc I don't see may on the left saying "It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL." I just see lots of people saying " See, look what the evil baby eating Tories have done" (or such like It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. It is for the correct authorities to administrate benefits systems. It is this type of broadcast that is, IMO, misleading the public. Do any of us know about 'Paul'? Do we know if he has mental issues? Do we know if the whole story is a 'wind-up? A nd you have the brass neck to have a pop at me! Give the issue some thought perhaps.
) I've no idea whether Paul is genuine or not. We can only take things at face value. I am convinced he does not represent the majority of unemployed people. But equally I am convinced that he does represent too many unemployed people. And the uncomfortable truth is that, if we are really honest, we know there is every chance that Paul is genuine..
Getting back to the radio stations airing of 'Pauls POV', I am curious to know if any froth may have evolved within the local broadcast area.
Oakey said:
I think the problem with low paid work is it just isn't worth it. I saw a job advertised recently for a cleaner at DW Sports. 6am start. 10 hours a week, minimum wage.
Pointless.
Sounds idea for someone looking for a second job around a 9-5 or a student.Pointless.
From the comments:
Matt Wheeler said:
sorry but this call is a wind up, I don't believe this was a genuine caller. More likely someone planted by the tories so they can further victimise those out of work and on benefits. Do not fall for their tricks!
Ha.It would be sad to say that all people on benefits are like this but most of them I've met are exactly that.
The work shy have become so used to this existsence that a significant drop in benefits won't lead to them going to work, we may even see an increase of petty crime and drug dealing.
The hand wringers won't ever cut the benefits, and the cycle will continue for many more generations.
The work shy have become so used to this existsence that a significant drop in benefits won't lead to them going to work, we may even see an increase of petty crime and drug dealing.
The hand wringers won't ever cut the benefits, and the cycle will continue for many more generations.
andymadmak said:
thinfourth2 said:
andymadmak said:
airportparking said:
LBC is truly turning into the daily mail / sun of radio
I'm not sure that shooting the messenger is the right response
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