Ulster Flag Protests
Discussion
loose cannon said:
Having had to put up with all this crap on tv through the 70's 80's 90's
Did anyone ever really believe peace
Would stay for long ? brain dead fookwittery always prevails were humans are concerned
Having lived through all this crap through the 70's 80's 90's things are immeasurably better now than then. These days it's a mere inconvenience for the vast majority which I'll take any day of the week compared to the stuff that we grew up with.Did anyone ever really believe peace
Would stay for long ? brain dead fookwittery always prevails were humans are concerned
loose cannon said:
Yeah they all moved to Scotland or got a free peerage
Not a place I would of liked to spend my childhood imagine having johnny mad dog as your neighbour no ta
Bet it was hell and all over a poxy flag and what church you go to
For most if us it was, and still is a great place to grow up. I think facing the possibility of being killed to death on a daily basis makes you value what you've got a bit more.Not a place I would of liked to spend my childhood imagine having johnny mad dog as your neighbour no ta
Bet it was hell and all over a poxy flag and what church you go to
Edited by loose cannon on Monday 7th January 20:33
I'm sure it has m8ty I couldn't even contemplate what you all went through
Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the place, I just find it sad that after so much heartache blood and anarchy on both sides there are still people trying to stir up tension but I guess that applies to everywhere not just ni,
Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the place, I just find it sad that after so much heartache blood and anarchy on both sides there are still people trying to stir up tension but I guess that applies to everywhere not just ni,
Eric Mc said:
Im visiting NI for the first time since 1984 in a few months time and am really looking forward to it. I just these morons don't spoil things before I get there.
Apart from the areas you see on the news each night (which you don't really want to or need to visit) everywhere else is carrying on business as usual. Where are you visiting?saaby93 said:
Is anyone surprised by this?
The number of days the flag is flown is cut in one swoop from 365 to 20 and they expect no-one to notice?
In NI?
Crazy
If it was going to change why not gradually?
eg only flown when the assembly is sitting?
To be honest I'm surprised. IT'S A FLAG!The number of days the flag is flown is cut in one swoop from 365 to 20 and they expect no-one to notice?
In NI?
Crazy
If it was going to change why not gradually?
eg only flown when the assembly is sitting?
Who has the time to worry if a flag is flying outside a building?
If they'd just not flown it, rather than made an announcement would 99.9% of the population even know about it?
London424 said:
To be honest I'm surprised. IT'S A FLAG!
Who has the time to worry if a flag is flying outside a building?
You'd have to ask what was the point of flying a flag in the last umpteen yearas to asnwer thatWho has the time to worry if a flag is flying outside a building?
Its obviously important or they wouldnt have taken the trouble to fly it from such an awkward position in the first place
Imagine flying the Irish or Argentinian flag on the building instead and see if that raises any eyebrowes
Papa Hotel said:
Sorry, but that's a complete fabrication.
to quote David Brent -FACT. It was in the papers and on local TV news, and the TV presenter made a big deal out of the fact that Ulster people think their education system is superior to the mainland. He seemed startled at the truth. That's the 11+ for you....I'd just like to add here, since so many people seem baffled over what is just a flag....
When the Province was established following the creation of the Irish Free State (now the Republic) the local Protestant community assumed they were being given their own country, and to their shame the British Government did nothing much to counter this. Thus resulted what amounted to a loyalist fiefdom, and to be honest the catholic population had little say in anything of importance. So the Troubles arose in 1969 when they had finally had enough (and when the IRA felt sufficiently organised and ready to fight).
The loyalists had it all their own way for so long that they became used to a certain style of living, and now they're completely baffled why they are being asked to change. They don't have any idea that the rest of the UK doesn't behave like they do. It doesn't help that the paramilitary leadership in parts of Belfast have been testing the police for some time now in a battle of wills. This protest has now been hijacked by them as part of their campaign to assume dominance over the locals. When PUP leader Billy Hutchinson says "there are no paramilitaries on the streets" he's not telling a lie - they're smart cookies and "use" the young lads who are so gullible to do the dirty stuff.
The situation is almost irreversible - when you've had your own way for decades it's not easy to accept change. And heaven help us all if the Orange parades are banned. BTW the Protestant pop is 48% of the total, and of these there are about 34k members of the Orange Order. Total pop is about 1.8m.. Assuming that each "orange" family comprise 4 people and that about 50% of the prod pop is traditional working-class "loyalist" I reckon the number who object to the flag proposal is in the region of .... oh bugger this is like an O-level maths question. Let's just say about 25% of the population are angry - that means 75% don't care and I'm sorry, but democracy means they win.
It's like sweets being taken from a toddler.
When the Province was established following the creation of the Irish Free State (now the Republic) the local Protestant community assumed they were being given their own country, and to their shame the British Government did nothing much to counter this. Thus resulted what amounted to a loyalist fiefdom, and to be honest the catholic population had little say in anything of importance. So the Troubles arose in 1969 when they had finally had enough (and when the IRA felt sufficiently organised and ready to fight).
The loyalists had it all their own way for so long that they became used to a certain style of living, and now they're completely baffled why they are being asked to change. They don't have any idea that the rest of the UK doesn't behave like they do. It doesn't help that the paramilitary leadership in parts of Belfast have been testing the police for some time now in a battle of wills. This protest has now been hijacked by them as part of their campaign to assume dominance over the locals. When PUP leader Billy Hutchinson says "there are no paramilitaries on the streets" he's not telling a lie - they're smart cookies and "use" the young lads who are so gullible to do the dirty stuff.
The situation is almost irreversible - when you've had your own way for decades it's not easy to accept change. And heaven help us all if the Orange parades are banned. BTW the Protestant pop is 48% of the total, and of these there are about 34k members of the Orange Order. Total pop is about 1.8m.. Assuming that each "orange" family comprise 4 people and that about 50% of the prod pop is traditional working-class "loyalist" I reckon the number who object to the flag proposal is in the region of .... oh bugger this is like an O-level maths question. Let's just say about 25% of the population are angry - that means 75% don't care and I'm sorry, but democracy means they win.
It's like sweets being taken from a toddler.
London424 said:
To be honest I'm surprised. IT'S A FLAG!
Who has the time to worry if a flag is flying outside a building?
If they'd just not flown it, rather than made an announcement would 99.9% of the population even know about it?
I've worked in belfast 25 years and never noticed the flag was there until this all kicked off.Who has the time to worry if a flag is flying outside a building?
If they'd just not flown it, rather than made an announcement would 99.9% of the population even know about it?
Papa Hotel said:
Link me.
I will try to find it. It was on UTV 6pm news and my family laughed like hell. The presenter said something like " does this mean we've been wrong all these years?"The grammar schools are very very good. My experience of those who went to my local secondary school is somewhat different. Barely literate.
Eric Mc said:
I despair of the place sometimes. I'm sure 90% of population are great and lovely people. I've only ever met nice people from Northern Ireland.
But there's obviously a deep and dark side to certain elements of the community there that will just not let what are, in modern terms, archaic and irrelevant issues, drop.
Up until recently Eric I'd have agreed with you.But there's obviously a deep and dark side to certain elements of the community there that will just not let what are, in modern terms, archaic and irrelevant issues, drop.
Then I worked on a project where the team hadn't known each other beforehand. Project manager a Glaswegian Catholic, and one of the fellow plebs an Ulster (sorry, don't know the correct term for 'one from Ulster') Catholic.
Was genuinely amazed at how successfully they sidelined the rest of the team, including me, for no apparent reason. All the legwork was done by the rest of us, all the credit and enjoyable elements of the piece split between them.
Wasn't until a conversation in the pub regarding football that the reasons became clear. Using language that I didn't think got used outside of fiction or the PIRA meeting hall. Most uncomfortable, and frankly wrong.
But these weren't ill educated thugs, these were senior middle level staff of a very well known British corporation.
But you're talking about Glasgow, the one other place in the UK where there are divisions on religious grounds.It's also the one other place where there are regular "parades" with bands and all the regalia - don't believe the hype that it's a tourist attraction, there's a deep malice behind it all.
It's interesting that nearly all the Ulster people I've met who spent any time living in Britain, didn't like it and couldn't wait to return "home". They couldn't get used to the British way of life, and yet consider themselves British . All very odd.
Meanwhile, we've recently celebrated the signing of the Covenant, effectively an act of treason, and at the least an intention of insurrection. How can you be proud to be British, and also proud to fight the British?
It's interesting that nearly all the Ulster people I've met who spent any time living in Britain, didn't like it and couldn't wait to return "home". They couldn't get used to the British way of life, and yet consider themselves British . All very odd.
Meanwhile, we've recently celebrated the signing of the Covenant, effectively an act of treason, and at the least an intention of insurrection. How can you be proud to be British, and also proud to fight the British?
nicanary said:
But you're talking about Glasgow, the one other place in the UK where there are divisions on religious grounds.It's also the one other place where there are regular "parades" with bands and all the regalia - don't believe the hype that it's a tourist attraction, there's a deep malice behind it all.
It's interesting that nearly all the Ulster people I've met who spent any time living in Britain, didn't like it and couldn't wait to return "home". They couldn't get used to the British way of life, and yet consider themselves British . All very odd.
Meanwhile, we've recently celebrated the signing of the Covenant, effectively an act of treason, and at the least an intention of insurrection. How can you be proud to be British, and also proud to fight the British?
Doesn't mean it's acceptable in amy way shape or form.It's interesting that nearly all the Ulster people I've met who spent any time living in Britain, didn't like it and couldn't wait to return "home". They couldn't get used to the British way of life, and yet consider themselves British . All very odd.
Meanwhile, we've recently celebrated the signing of the Covenant, effectively an act of treason, and at the least an intention of insurrection. How can you be proud to be British, and also proud to fight the British?
Especially when working in London, for a mahoosive company, that they've chosen to work for.
I wasn't commenting on militant religeousity, merely responding to Eric's statement that he'd only met nice Northern Irish. So had I until that escapade.
I still believe that if the two hadn't been on the same team, with one in charge, that I'd have discovered that side to their personalities...
They had after all managed to keep it uder wraps for a combined tenure of over 15 years in such an environment...
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