What has the EU done to you?
Discussion
vonuber said:
It's not made much difference in my line of work, apart from making it easier to work on European projects.
We also benefit massively from employing educated European graduates who have a decent engineering education.
Strangely enough companies benefited massively from employing educated european graduates long before the EU (or EEC even!) existed. Americans, Australians, Canadians etc etc too.We also benefit massively from employing educated European graduates who have a decent engineering education.
1. EU harminsation- the frnkaly millions that means i can only buy long carrots that are uniform shapre. I would rather have cheaper carrots of different shapes.
2. Dry cleaning- 2 new licences we were required to have that have achieved precisely nothing- excet cost us time and money- bth directly and how people are paid to come round and inspect
3. the black hole in the buget, caused by corruption and mismanagement cost us all money- the Eu's auditors refuse to sign off the accounts. If it was a PLC, it probably would haev closed by now solely for this reason.
2. Dry cleaning- 2 new licences we were required to have that have achieved precisely nothing- excet cost us time and money- bth directly and how people are paid to come round and inspect
3. the black hole in the buget, caused by corruption and mismanagement cost us all money- the Eu's auditors refuse to sign off the accounts. If it was a PLC, it probably would haev closed by now solely for this reason.
vonuber said:
s2art said:
Strangely enough companies benefited massively from employing educated european graduates long before the EU (or EEC even!) existed. Americans, Australians, Canadians etc etc too.
Maybe, but not having to do visas etc helps. Makes it much easier.wheedler said:
Lately, well past the 10 Years since I have been interested in what goes on in the world I have seen much negativity towards the EUeespecially on PH.
I shall, make my position clear, I don't mind the EU, I think politicians like to play the blame game when their policies are not popular even though they agreed with what the EU wants to implement.
We can talk from influx of foreigners to abu hamza, tachograph s, Greece, Spain , farming and working hours.
Why do you dislike the single market idea?
Most people like the single market idea, most don't like the EU's lack of democracy, the fact it's accounts haven't been signed off since god was a boy and in the case of the single currency and don't think having all our fiscal levers controlled in Frankfurt for the benefit of Germany is a good idea. Do you?I shall, make my position clear, I don't mind the EU, I think politicians like to play the blame game when their policies are not popular even though they agreed with what the EU wants to implement.
We can talk from influx of foreigners to abu hamza, tachograph s, Greece, Spain , farming and working hours.
Why do you dislike the single market idea?
As for your question about what has the EU done to me over 10 years, well at an estimated annual cost to the UK of £65bn per annum multiplied by 10 years divided by a population of 60m, I estimate it has personally cost me (and probably you) £10,833.33. I'd like it back please.
vonuber said:
s2art said:
Strangely enough companies benefited massively from employing educated european graduates long before the EU (or EEC even!) existed. Americans, Australians, Canadians etc etc too.
Maybe, but not having to do visas etc helps. Makes it much easier.Caulkhead said:
Most people like the single market idea, most don't like the EU's lack of democracy, the fact it's accounts haven't been signed off since god was a boy and in the case of the single currency and don't think having all our fiscal levers controlled in Frankfurt for the benefit of Germany is a good idea. Do you?
As for your question about what has the EU done to me over 10 years, well at an estimated annual cost to the UK of £65bn per annum multiplied by 10 years divided by a population of 60m, I estimate it has personally cost me (and probably you) £10,833.33. I'd like it back please.
Er, not taking into account the benefits.As for your question about what has the EU done to me over 10 years, well at an estimated annual cost to the UK of £65bn per annum multiplied by 10 years divided by a population of 60m, I estimate it has personally cost me (and probably you) £10,833.33. I'd like it back please.
This thread illustrates exactly the danger of having a referendum on the EU - very very few people seem to understand what the EU is.
The original referendum back in the 70's (was it the 70's?) was to join the Common Market. In simple terms a group of countries that had formed a club to enable Free Trade amongst them. The UK voted to join that club, a collection of Independent Soverign countries, that traded with no export/import taxes, and helped and assisted each other on some defined common policies.
The EU has evolved into a totally different entity. The whole agenda of the EU is to create a single European State, a United States of Europe. That process has been a process of stealth, and it is increasing. For example look at your passport, you are not a UK citizen, you are an European Citizen. That is why all EU passports are the same. Apply for an online job, and there will be a drop down box for 'EU Citizen' - not UK, german, Polish, but EU. Border controls between EU countries were not removed to make travel between countries easier - which they obviously achieved - but because of the idealistic notion that the EU is a Nation, and Nations do NOT have internal border controls.
An good analogy is the UK. The UK consists of England, Scotland, Wales, and NI. We have no borders between us, we have a central government based in westminster, but each constituent 'country' has a degree of autonomy with its own national assembly, but their powers are limited and controlled by Westminster. We are able to vote for the politicians in Westminster, but we have absolutely no say in electing the EU Government. They are unelected, they are appointed Bureaucrats, all of whom have a vested interest in acheiving an EU Nation state.
So the question, the topic of discussion, is NOT "Do we want to pull out of the 'Common Market' and risk losing an export market?" but "Do we want tighter, and further integration, into Europe, and become sub-ordinate members of an European Superstate?"
The original referendum back in the 70's (was it the 70's?) was to join the Common Market. In simple terms a group of countries that had formed a club to enable Free Trade amongst them. The UK voted to join that club, a collection of Independent Soverign countries, that traded with no export/import taxes, and helped and assisted each other on some defined common policies.
The EU has evolved into a totally different entity. The whole agenda of the EU is to create a single European State, a United States of Europe. That process has been a process of stealth, and it is increasing. For example look at your passport, you are not a UK citizen, you are an European Citizen. That is why all EU passports are the same. Apply for an online job, and there will be a drop down box for 'EU Citizen' - not UK, german, Polish, but EU. Border controls between EU countries were not removed to make travel between countries easier - which they obviously achieved - but because of the idealistic notion that the EU is a Nation, and Nations do NOT have internal border controls.
An good analogy is the UK. The UK consists of England, Scotland, Wales, and NI. We have no borders between us, we have a central government based in westminster, but each constituent 'country' has a degree of autonomy with its own national assembly, but their powers are limited and controlled by Westminster. We are able to vote for the politicians in Westminster, but we have absolutely no say in electing the EU Government. They are unelected, they are appointed Bureaucrats, all of whom have a vested interest in acheiving an EU Nation state.
So the question, the topic of discussion, is NOT "Do we want to pull out of the 'Common Market' and risk losing an export market?" but "Do we want tighter, and further integration, into Europe, and become sub-ordinate members of an European Superstate?"
simoid said:
Caulkhead said:
Most people like the single market idea, most don't like the EU's lack of democracy, the fact it's accounts haven't been signed off since god was a boy and in the case of the single currency and don't think having all our fiscal levers controlled in Frankfurt for the benefit of Germany is a good idea. Do you?
As for your question about what has the EU done to me over 10 years, well at an estimated annual cost to the UK of £65bn per annum multiplied by 10 years divided by a population of 60m, I estimate it has personally cost me (and probably you) £10,833.33. I'd like it back please.
Er, not taking into account the benefits.As for your question about what has the EU done to me over 10 years, well at an estimated annual cost to the UK of £65bn per annum multiplied by 10 years divided by a population of 60m, I estimate it has personally cost me (and probably you) £10,833.33. I'd like it back please.
http://www.brugesgroup.com/CostOfTheEU2008.pdf
JensenA said:
This thread illustrates exactly the danger of having a referendum on the EU - very very few people seem to understand what the EU is.
So the question, the topic of discussion, is NOT "Do we want to pull out of the 'Common Market' and risk losing an export market?" but "Do we want tighter, and further integration, into Europe, and become sub-ordinate members of an European Superstate?"
Or indeed how much the EU is threaded through our everyday lives. So we don't pay World Prices for food, we pay more because of the CAP. Fish stocks are affected by the throwaway policy, depleting stocks and making it more costly. There is lots of discussion on PH about climate change and we are being driven into expensive and inefficient renewables by EU policy and their ideology on climate change and Carbon Dioxide. Vehicles are being harmonised and soon, as I understand it, the EU will stop alterations to vehicles. EU Referendum blog has lots more information and although the blogger has an agenda his analysis always seems inciteful. So the question, the topic of discussion, is NOT "Do we want to pull out of the 'Common Market' and risk losing an export market?" but "Do we want tighter, and further integration, into Europe, and become sub-ordinate members of an European Superstate?"
Many costs of the EU are hidden in everyday prices and it was always the case that the UK politicians have hidden from the population just what is being implemented at the behest or instruction of the EU. Ever closer union was always the agenda, it's being achieved by slow ratchet affect. Up to now I have not heard any of the LibLBCon leaders being asked by reporters "If you are againt the UK leaving the EU, Will you sign a treaty that gives away our sovereignty and makes us a region of single European superstate" because one day (soon?) a PM is going to have to make that decision.
JensenA said:
In simple terms a group of countries that had formed a club to enable Free Trade amongst them. The UK voted to join that club, a collection of Independent Soverign countries, that traded with no export/import taxes, and helped and assisted each other on some defined common policies.
No, that's what the voters thought they were voting for. Harold Wilson as PM knew very well it was far from that and, like some of his successors, presented a few vague promises from Brussels as having negotiated what we wanted for Britain's interests within the EEC. Come to think of it he was continuing a tradition of waving worthless bits of paper started in 1939.
Jasandjules said:
Hmm, well, the accounts not being signed off due to fraud doesn't make me feel good....
Ah 'signing off' and/or ratification- that could be a nice fee earner for the usual suspects.‘Signing off’ is not analogous to the absence of financial irregularities as depicted by the post 2007 financial crisis.
off.vonuber said:
Caulkhead said:
It's certainly going to make it 'easier' for a million Romanians later this year.
A million eh? Blimey. You do know they can work and stay here already.
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