EU referendum - what if the UK votes to stay in?

[rs1952]

Getragdogleg said:

The sensible anti EU superstate/federal Europe side are not as organised and have not got the funds to throw at the huge task of waking up the slumbering masses.

In the anti-EU camp:

At least half of the Tory Party
Most of the UK press
UKIP
BNP

In the pro-EU camp:

The Lib Dems
A small proportion of the Tory Party

Sitting on the fence waiting to see which way the wind blows:

The Labour party
Call Me Dave

[The Black Flash]

rs1952 said:

In the anti-EU camp:

At least half of the Tory Party
Most of the UK press
UKIP
BNP

In the pro-EU camp:

The Lib Dems
A small proportion of the Tory Party

Sitting on the fence waiting to see which way the wind blows:

The Labour party
Call Me Dave

Hah! You're joking aren't you?

All of Labour and the Libs will vote in.
Virtually all the tories will, because that is what the official party line is, and will be. A few will rebel, to be derided as "headbangers", "hardline right-wingers", and such. But most will do as they're told. Even prominent so-called Eurosceptics like the Dan Hannans of this world will vote to stay in a reformed union rather than leave.
The press?!? The press? The telegraph and DM both want to stay in a reformed EU, despite what you might think. I'm not aware of any major publication which will push for an out vote. And we'd best not mention the BBC.

Then we get onto EU funding. You only have to look at the Irish experience to see how the EU will flood the "in" camp with advertising money. It's against the rules, but hey, the end justifies the means.

The establishment will push the "in" side for all it's worth. Against which will be disorganised, poorly funded outfits like UKIP. There'll be no way the establishment will risk a succesful "out" vote. No way.

[Kermit power]

Add to those lists many elements of big business who have already spoken out in favour of staying in, and in the out camp many small businesses who seem to be there because they believe that an out vote well somehow mean a return to 50s levels of red tape.

[speedy_thrills]

The Americans want the UK in the EU as well. Somehow I don't think that will help the case much though in a public vote.

[swamp]

I wouldn't be surprised if the UK voted to stay in the EU in an in-or-out referendum.

Big businesses and large employers would spread a lot of FUD, and many people would be put in genuine fear of their jobs.

[Getragdogleg]

rs1952 said:

Getragdogleg said:

The sensible anti EU superstate/federal Europe side are not as organised and have not got the funds to throw at the huge task of waking up the slumbering masses.

In the anti-EU camp:

At least half of the Tory Party
Most of the UK press
UKIP
BNP

In the pro-EU camp:

The Lib Dems
A small proportion of the Tory Party

Sitting on the fence waiting to see which way the wind blows:

The Labour party
Call Me Dave

I want to live in your world.

[rs1952]

fbrs said:

rs1952 said:

Just a thought that crossed my mind, given that the majority of views around here fall squarely into the anti-EU camp. What if we did have a referendum on continued EU membership and the UK voted to stay in? What would you do then?

Any thoughts?

certainly worth thinking about because you will vote to stay in.

I have deliberately not made my personal views public on this thread to try to get a reasoned debate going.

Having said that, I understand why you might take the view you do, but I couldn't possibly comment

[anonymous-user]

rs1952 said:

fbrs said:

rs1952 said:

Just a thought that crossed my mind, given that the majority of views around here fall squarely into the anti-EU camp. What if we did have a referendum on continued EU membership and the UK voted to stay in? What would you do then?

Any thoughts?

certainly worth thinking about because you will vote to stay in.

obviously not the first time but you'll get there in the end!

I have deliberately not made my personal views public on this thread to try to get a reasoned debate going.

Having said that, I understand why you might take the view you do, but I couldn't possibly comment

sorry by you i meant the collective you not rs1952. i doubt ill get a vote

[Otispunkmeyer]

Jasandjules said:

Make them take another vote.

Well, that is what they would do if we vote to leave anyways.....

This. Wasn't this what happened to Ireland?

[Globs]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Jasandjules said:

Make them take another vote.

Well, that is what they would do if we vote to leave anyways.....

This. Wasn't this what happened to Ireland?

Yup, despite the huge propaganda against them that the Irish people paid for (The EU only has our money), they voted sensibly against. Then cue loads more propaganda and they caved in and voted for.

Shortly after they were taken to the cleaners and bankrupted, and are now in a situation that makes British Rule look like a family tea party. It's almost like the EU views them with contempt for folding on the 2nd vote.

It always puzzles me why they spent so long fighting for independence from their neighbour, and then gave it up as thoroughly and permanently as possible to a foreign power at the first chance they got. A big masochistic streak there IMO.

[The Black Flash]

Globs said:

It always puzzles me why they spent so long fighting for independence from their neighbour, and then gave it up as thoroughly and permanently as possible to a foreign power at the first chance they got. A big masochistic streak there IMO.

See also the SNP...

[rs1952]

The Black Flash said:

Globs said:

It always puzzles me why they spent so long fighting for independence from their neighbour, and then gave it up as thoroughly and permanently as possible to a foreign power at the first chance they got. A big masochistic streak there IMO.

See also the SNP...

There is clearly only one explanation. It must be that the EU is not the EUSSR that many people around here are convinced it is, and that those who run (or want to run) those countries have sussed out something that the PH massif just will not accept, that it can indeed by a good idea for countries to be members.

But - nah - I must be having one of my flights of fancy again.....

[Mark Benson]

rs1952 said:

The Black Flash said:

Globs said:

It always puzzles me why they spent so long fighting for independence from their neighbour, and then gave it up as thoroughly and permanently as possible to a foreign power at the first chance they got. A big masochistic streak there IMO.

See also the SNP...

There is clearly only one explanation. It must be that the EU is not the EUSSR that many people around here are convinced it is, and that those who run (or want to run) those countries have sussed out something that the PH massif just will not accept, that it can indeed by a good idea for countries to be members.

But - nah - I must be having one of my flights of fancy again.....

I think it's more to do with suckling at the teat of the richer countries in the Union. So yes, they have worked out it's better (for them) to stay in the EU. Doesn't mean it's better for everyone though, does it?

[voyds9]

Mark Benson said:

I think it's more to do with suckling at the teat of the richer countries in the Union. So yes, they have worked out it's better (for them) to stay in the EU. Doesn't mean it's better for everyone though, does it?

Especially when you're the teat.

[The Black Flash]

rs1952 said:

The Black Flash said:

Globs said:

It always puzzles me why they spent so long fighting for independence from their neighbour, and then gave it up as thoroughly and permanently as possible to a foreign power at the first chance they got. A big masochistic streak there IMO.

See also the SNP...

There is clearly only one explanation. It must be that the EU is not the EUSSR that many people around here are convinced it is, and that those who run (or want to run) those countries have sussed out something that the PH massif just will not accept, that it can indeed by a good idea for countries to be members.

But - nah - I must be having one of my flights of fancy again.....

How's that working out for Greece, again?

[davepoth]

Art0ir said:

davepoth said:

But the signs are there that other countries are definitely coming round to the idea that "More Europe" isn't the answer.

I think you're deluding yourself there.

It would be nice to think that they are, but they aren't. Even the Greeks still want to be in for Christ sake with 60% youth unemployment.

The EU is moving one way and one way only. Closer.

The Greeks are addicted to German money. Germany is addicted to moribund southern economies. neither want those to continue. Denmark, The Netherlands, Sweden, and others aren't happy. Here's a thing that may have slipped under the radar in the EU budget negotiations:

http://cphpost.dk/news/eu/denmark-secures-billion-...

Nice bit of brinksmanship there, and a lovely time to throw it in.

[Globs]

The Black Flash said:

rs1952 said:

The Black Flash said:

Globs said:

It always puzzles me why they spent so long fighting for independence from their neighbour, and then gave it up as thoroughly and permanently as possible to a foreign power at the first chance they got. A big masochistic streak there IMO.

See also the SNP...

There is clearly only one explanation. It must be that the EU is not the EUSSR that many people around here are convinced it is, and that those who run (or want to run) those countries have sussed out something that the PH massif just will not accept, that it can indeed by a good idea for countries to be members.

But - nah - I must be having one of my flights of fancy again.....

How's that working out for Greece, again?

The same as it's working out for all countries not called Germany
They are all in the st, their mismanaged International Socialist disaster buttressed against an unaccountable central bank are in the race to see which one can smash the peasants the hardest. Currently they are both winning and the peasants have no chance.

[Art0ir]

rs1952 said:

There is clearly only one explanation. It must be that the EU is not the EUSSR that many people around here are convinced it is, and that those who run (or want to run) those countries have sussed out something that the PH massif just will not accept, that it can indeed by a good idea for countries to be members.

But - nah - I must be having one of my flights of fancy again.....

On the walls of the new EU Museum..

" National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our time. The only final remedy for this supreme and catastrophic evil is a federal union of the peoples."

Sounds like communism to me.

[rs1952]

Art0ir said:

On the walls of the new EU Museum..

" National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our time. The only final remedy for this supreme and catastrophic evil is a federal union of the peoples."

Sounds like communism to me.

There are plenty of federal republics about the place that aren't communist. Like the Yanks, for example and, although we don't call it such, the United Kingdom (the clue is in the word "United")

[Art0ir]

rs1952 said:

Art0ir said:

On the walls of the new EU Museum..

" National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our time. The only final remedy for this supreme and catastrophic evil is a federal union of the peoples."

Sounds like communism to me.

There are plenty of federal republics about the place that aren't communist. Like the Yanks, for example and, although we don't call it such, the United Kingdom (the clue is in the word "United")

The history of the USA and UK is extremely bloody. Also to compare the founding fathers of the states to the communists (yes communists, take a look at their political history) running the EU is preposterous.