Car thief brothers killed in car crash

[Pesty]

there have been a a few innocent people killed by others in stolen cars over the last few weeks.

It is for that reason that I am glad these two idiots are dead before they got chance to take somebody else out.

[eldar]

MocMocaMoc said:

All very reasonable.

I'm not in any way defending these people, only disappointed (continually) that so many are so quick to heap praise on such an awful set of events. That people like these burglars / car thieves exist is terrible, that they should live, and end, their lives in such a manner is awful, that two human beings should burn to death is... sad. I see nothing good about what's happened. And I see nothing productive in hailing what's happened as a good thing.

With regards to how much compassion these people might feel for their victims, well one day I might ask the lad who killed my cousin. I might ask how clever he felt driving around uninsured, without a licence, racing his mate, and as someone who takes a great interest in motorsport and car control, what caused his Nova to roll over my 24 year old cousin while he was out riding his bike... At the time my uncle, a deeply religious man, stated in the local paper than he forgave the lad. Christ only knows what that felt like, for either.

Also, a little while ago on the VX220 Forum it came out that a member of the site had crashed his car, caught fire, and burned to death. The site was up in arms with a similar sentiment - apparently he deserved it for driving like a knob.

Burned to death.

Blame culture. Someone* takes ill judged risks, which anyone with basic common sense could see the possibility of an end in tears. When it does, the reaction is to blame someone else. The car thieves drove dangerously, and suffered the fatal consequences. A terrible way to die, but it was by their own doing.

I don't rejoice in their deaths, or their relatives anguish. But I'm not going to lose any sleep or blame 'society'.

• Best & Crooks. Not you cousin's driver or VX driver, not aware of those.

[otolith]

Personally, I find the home invasion more offensive than the car theft, but perhaps that's just a hangover from being once woken in the middle of the night by would be car thieves kicking the front door in.

[aizvara]

sleep envy said:

A loss of both hands for any theft will suffice.

Would that apply to minor theft, too?

You propose some sort of hudud-like scheme, albeit even harsher than that as I think they tend to just take one hand in the first instance. I did once live in a country which practised that sort of thing. As far as I know, it hasn't stopped crime, including petty theft which is fairly rampant.

[Andy Zarse]

MocMocaMoc said:

Anyways, I've got things to be doing. I'm off down the sea front cos those fkING bd WAVES HAVE BEEN WAVING AGAIN!

fkERS!

(see earlier post if confused)

Ah a trendy Green-voting Brighton dweller...

It is because of do-gooding simpletons like you that this kind of human excrement proliferates within society. No wonder you're their chief apologist. Socialism, and indeed sociologists, in action!

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

MocMocaMoc said:

Wow, I've done well here!

While I absolutely cant be ar*ed with arguing against the internet, I'd be equally well off shouting at the tide, I still fail to see (despite some truly excellent sarcasm gleefully illustrating what I should be thinking) how two, lets say 'errant' personalities climbing into someone else's car, wrapping it, killing themselves in the process CAN POSSIBLY EVER BE SEEN AS A GOOD THING TO HAPPEN IN OUR SOCIETY?!

Yes they're unlikely to be bothering anyone again, but do you really see the world in such a 2D state to assume that these people were simply 'scum'?!

Did you derive your morality from an 80's action film?

I feel bad for everyone involved - the families of those killed, the thieves for living such an apparently stty life, the victims of any crimes committed, and everyone else dragged into the whole affair. No one's come out a winner here...

Except for the gobste's with a right leaning sense of justice who love a good horror story. They came out singing! I'm picturing you all firing your AK47's in to the air right now.

If it helps - I can see the point you're making, and I sort of agree that it's a sad state of affairs when these things happen.
Sadly, some sectors of society have abandoned all morals and are a lost cause.

[sleep envy]

aizvara said:

sleep envy said:

A loss of both hands for any theft will suffice.

Would that apply to minor theft, too?

You propose some sort of hudud-like scheme, albeit even harsher than that as I think they tend to just take one hand in the first instance. I did once live in a country which practised that sort of thing. As far as I know, it hasn't stopped crime, including petty theft which is fairly rampant.

I'm fairly certain that if one loses both hands the likelihood of theft greatly reduces.

[torqueofthedevil]

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Edited by torqueofthedevil on Tuesday 12th February 23:36

[Colonial]

Andy Zarse said:

Ah a trendy Green-voting Brighton dweller...

It is because of do-gooding simpletons like you that this kind of human excrement proliferates within society. No wonder you're their chief apologist. Socialism, and indeed sociologists, in action!

Better than sociopaths.

[aizvara]

sleep envy said:

I'm fairly certain that if one loses both hands the likelihood of theft greatly reduces.

I expect so. However, my point was that it is apparently not appreciably effective as a deterrent.

Andy Zarse said:

Ah a trendy Green-voting Brighton dweller...

It is because of do-gooding simpletons like you that this kind of human excrement proliferates within society. No wonder you're their chief apologist. Socialism, and indeed sociologists, in action!

Do they proliferate? I thought the crime rate was low and falling. It certainly is lower than a lot of countries with far harsher regimes.

Don't you find the UK to actually be quite a nice place to live, and generally very safe? I've seen far scarier places elsewhere in the world.

[Dixie68]

Just think how much safer the UK would be if we actually locked up criminals such as these instead of just handing them useless community orders. We don't though, so the only thing we can hope for is that more of them remove themselves from society like these two have.

[Tony427]

is it too late to say ?


Good.


Cheers,

Tony

[AJS-]

This seems to be a point that lefties continually misunderstand. Being glad that these two vermin have perished as a direct result of their own folly is not at all the same thing as saying that being burned to death is a fitting judicial punishment for car theft. Totally different.

I think this misapprehension stems from a belief that the state or some higher power ultimately controls everything, and that the loss of these two imbeciles was some sort of act of malice.

It wasn't. They were entirely the architects of their own demise - stealing a powerful car, driving it badly and losing control of it. There isn't even the pragmatic justification that the police were pursuing them at high speed, making an accident more likely. They did it all by themselves and without hurting anyone else, which is a victory for everyone.

As for calling them "unfortunate human beings" - rubbish. Unfortunate human beings lose their eyesight through some horrible disease, or get left in a wheel chair for life after an accident, or get born into war torn, famine ridden, miserable dictatorships, or suffer any other number of setbacks and injuries over which they have absolutely no control.

Able bodied young men who live in a democratic western country with all the benefits that brings and choose to go out and stealing cars on the threat of violence are not unfortunate, they're barely human beings, and they are indeed scum.

Edited by AJS- on Wednesday 13th February 05:01

[Andy Zarse]

aizvara said:

sleep envy said:

I'm fairly certain that if one loses both hands the likelihood of theft greatly reduces.

I expect so. However, my point was that it is apparently not appreciably effective as a deterrent.

Andy Zarse said:

Ah a trendy Green-voting Brighton dweller...

It is because of do-gooding simpletons like you that this kind of human excrement proliferates within society. No wonder you're their chief apologist. Socialism, and indeed sociologists, in action!

Do they proliferate? I thought the crime rate was low and falling. It certainly is lower than a lot of countries with far harsher regimes.

Don't you find the UK to actually be quite a nice place to live, and generally very safe? I've seen far scarier places elsewhere in the world.

It might be nice in a leafy middle class suburb, but try living in the middle of Sheffield or a thousand other places. I've seen very few more scary places in the world than say Handsworth. Did you miss the riots?

[MocMocaMoc]

Andy Zarse said:

Ah a trendy Green-voting Brighton dweller...

It is because of do-gooding simpletons like you that this kind of human excrement proliferates within society. No wonder you're their chief apologist. Socialism, and indeed sociologists, in action!

Haha

Aren't you adorable?

[Colonial]

Andy Zarse said:

It might be nice in a leafy middle class suburb, but try living in the middle of Sheffield or a thousand other places. I've seen very few more scary places in the world than say Handsworth. Did you miss the riots?

I've lived in Salford if that helps.

[Andy Zarse]

Colonial said:

I've lived in Salford if that helps.

Which bit? Some areas are quite pleasant.

[Gene Simmons]

Andy Zarse said:

Which bit? Some areas are quite pleasant.

Unlike Handsworth. Which has no redeeming features other than the ability to get reasonably edible masala fish from the Soho Road

[Colonial]

Andy Zarse said:

Which bit? Some areas are quite pleasant.

Walkden. In no way a nice bit.

[Andy Zarse]

MocMocaMoc said:

Haha

Aren't you adorable?

Only in inverse proportion to your bleeding heart.