Car thief brothers killed in car crash

[StottyZr]

aizvara said:

StottyZr said:

According to the apologists I'm clueless.

Who is an apologist?

I didn't mean in this specific event, it was just a statement that rung true to my experiances on PH. I haven't posted in this thread other than that.

My thoughts on the situation are I'm not happy that they burnt to death (much worse people out there) but it doesn't make me sad either. I expect the world will be a better place without these people in it.

[g3org3y]

Colonial said:

So your material goods are more important than life?

Sad.

Oh. I've had a car stolen and another broken into. It's st, no argument, but I don't want to see the people that did it die.

Depends whose life we're talking about.

Perhaps some lives are worth more than others.

[/controversial]

[sleep envy]

Colonial said:

So your material goods are more important than life?

Sad.

Oh. I've had a car stolen and another broken into. It's st, no argument, but I don't want to see the people that did it die.

I've a friend who was coshed over the head and his preganant partner raped by the burglars.

I've also caught two people trying to break into my house, no idea what they were going to do once they got in as they didn't get that far.

Tbh, I'd be rather satisfied if they all suffered a slow, painful death.

[Colonial]

sleep envy said:

I've a friend who was coshed over the head and his preganant partner raped by the burglars.

I've also caught two people trying to break into my house, no idea what they were going to do once they got in as they didn't get that far.

Tbh, I'd be rather satisfied if they all suffered a slow, painful death.

Rape is something completely different though. It moves away from goods to something else.

[otolith]

Colonial said:

Rape is something completely different though. It moves away from goods to something else.

The real impact of burglary isn't about goods.

There's currently a TV advert running which makes that point:

http://www.adt.co.uk/home-security/hs-television-a...

[Rosun]

When I first heard this on the radio I thought it might be kids, maybe 14 or 15, breaking and entering, nicking the keys and the car, then losing control. The deceased were 27 and 33 years old.

I wonder if the Audi was equipped with winter tyres?

[billzeebub]

Good riddance..if only it had happened a lot sooner may have saved a lot of innocent people trauma and suffering

[Colonial]

anonymous said:

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I really don't know about that. I went to a st school in a st area. Quite a few people have been done for armed robbery, burglary etc but they have absolute disdain for rapists.

No angels. I don't like them and I'm glad I got away from the area and the mindset. But that is a very glib and simplistic statement.

[LostBMW]

MocMocaMoc said:

fk sake - I'm shouting at the sea again.

You lot carry on - I'm out.

Good riddance part two?

[Koofler]

So, do we think that these 'unfortunate' brothers would have acted any differently to this (presumably) unfortunate driver?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21447212

MocMocaMoc, if you can tear yourself away from the waves, I'd genuinely like to know what your thoughts are on a suitable punishment in this case, for the driver?

[br d]

LostBMW said:

MocMocaMoc said:

fk sake - I'm shouting at the sea again.

You lot carry on - I'm out.

Good riddance part two?

I'm amazed how tiresome he is after only 7 months, it feels like years.

[rohrl]

br d said:

LostBMW said:

MocMocaMoc said:

fk sake - I'm shouting at the sea again.

You lot carry on - I'm out.

Good riddance part two?

I'm amazed how tiresome he is after only 7 months, it feels like years.

That's pretty fking rude of you isn't it?

The guy just has a different opinion from yours and has dared to express it without insult or rancour besides which he's not a thousandth as tiresome as some of the 100+ month "characters" who bestride PH like collosi.

[LostBMW]

rohrl said:

br d said:

LostBMW said:

MocMocaMoc said:

fk sake - I'm shouting at the sea again.

You lot carry on - I'm out.

Good riddance part two?

I'm amazed how tiresome he is after only 7 months, it feels like years.

That's pretty fking rude of you isn't it?

The guy just has a different opinion from yours and has dared to express it without insult or rancour besides which he's not a thousandth as tiresome as some of the 100+ month "characters" who bestride PH like collosi.

Oh get over yourself you bleating fool. You are becoming quite repetitive in this sense; you jump to others' defence by attacking their critics but seem to feel it OK to make attacks/offer criticisms against those on the other side of some moral-political line you have drawn here in crayon. Hypocritical at all?

You are quite tiresome, and pointless.

[rohrl]

LostBMW said:

Oh get over yourself you bleating fool. You are becoming quite repetitive in this sense; you jump to others' defence by attacking their critics but seem to feel it OK to make attacks/offer criticisms against those on the other side of some moral-political line you have drawn here in crayon. Hypocritical at all?

You are quite tiresome, and pointless.

There is a difference between criticising someone's statements and being gratuitously rude towards them as an individual.

[TheSnitch]

Here's the thing.

If you live your entire life making other people's lives a fking misery, and end up wrapped around a lamppost whilst committing yet another crime, it's tough titties, and I couldn't give even the most miniscule st. Is it a tragedy?

Nope. It's natural selection.

I'm not wishing death on car thieves. But if it happens, it happens. Them's the breaks.

[LostBMW]

rohrl said:

LostBMW said:

Oh get over yourself you bleating fool. You are becoming quite repetitive in this sense; you jump to others' defence by attacking their critics but seem to feel it OK to make attacks/offer criticisms against those on the other side of some moral-political line you have drawn here in crayon. Hypocritical at all?

You are quite tiresome, and pointless.

There is a difference between criticising someone's statements and being gratuitously rude towards them as an individual.

Writes the person who typed the 'expletive deleted' in his post. Yes, I'm convinced now.



As you were.

[MocMocaMoc]

Koofler said:

So, do we think that these 'unfortunate' brothers would have acted any differently to this (presumably) unfortunate driver?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21447212

MocMocaMoc, if you can tear yourself away from the waves, I'd genuinely like to know what your thoughts are on a suitable punishment in this case, for the driver?

Holy f*ck!

With regards to punishment... I've no idea.

If I were even witness to the accident, and able to apprehend the driver... my knuckles wouldn't stand up to the endurance.

fk it... life? 20 years? Then either genuine reform or another 20?

As regular cyclist I've seen plenty of reckless driving. I've lost a cousin to a hit and run whilst he was out on his bike. In all honesty I'd like to see people who endanger lives, in any way at all, just vanish off the face of the earth...

But would I clap my hands to hear they'd burned to death? No. Maybe as a teenager I might have...

But the best you'll get from me, re; the original post, is indifference. I don't see any other reasonable reaction to whole awful affair - the two fellas, clearly mentally deficient, and generally pointless human beings ('unfortunate' was a laid back description, apologies) clearly needed attention from the law... i.e. locked up, or the fear of God put into them (how this is done, I don't know... )

But that wasn't my point - everybody here seems to think I sympathise with these two characters... I don't, although I do feel sorry for them, if that can be different... I feel sorry that they weren't better people, that they couldn't live happier, honest lives with their friends and family, that they didn't see the value in earning their way, buying what they wanted, rather than stealing, or had better ambitions other than being a total menace to society.

But to derive glee from the news that two people, regardless of the circumstances, had burned to death? If I did, I'd have serious concerns about my own character.

As it happens, I now have serious concerns for a number of characters on here. I feel sympathy for any person who meets their end in such a painful manner. But that's not to say I'll miss them.

[MocMocaMoc]

br d said:

LostBMW said:

MocMocaMoc said:

fk sake - I'm shouting at the sea again.

You lot carry on - I'm out.

Good riddance part two?

I'm amazed how tiresome he is after only 7 months, it feels like years.

Now aren't you two a pair of charmers?! ; )

edit. In all serious, if I've said anything offensive, or sounded sarcastic - apologies. I do have a different opinion, and I stand by my above statement - that taking pleasure in the demise of anybody, criminal or otherwise, is fked up in my view - I accept we all have different views and experiences, maybe as I get older, and come across more 'undesirables', I'll change my mind, but until then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Edited by MocMocaMoc on Wednesday 13th February 21:18

[LostBMW]

MocMocaMoc said:

br d said:

LostBMW said:

MocMocaMoc said:

fk sake - I'm shouting at the sea again.

You lot carry on - I'm out.

Good riddance part two?

I'm amazed how tiresome he is after only 7 months, it feels like years.

Now aren't you two a pair of charmers?! ; )

edit. In all serious, if I've said anything offensive, or sounded sarcastic - apologies. I do have a different opinion, and I stand by my above statement - that taking pleasure in the demise of anybody, criminal or otherwise, is fked up in my view - I accept we all have different views and experiences, maybe as I get older, and come across more 'undesirables', I'll change my mind, but until then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Edited by MocMocaMoc on Wednesday 13th February 21:18

OK, and again in the spirit of all seriousness I was, slightly, joshing - hence the sarcastic tone, which I'd hoped might be at least a little lighthearted? Obviously failed.

Fair enough we'll have to agree to disagree and I must admit I did initially think that you were sympathising with them to quite an extent, more than I would.

For me, it's not that I particularly take delight in the way they died but TBH I am glad they are dead. People like that are a scourge on society and selfishly cause havoc and misery to the innocent and destroy lives. They choose this way of live, don't care two hoots for their victims so I don't see why we should care less for them. We're better off without such vermin.

[MocMocaMoc]

LostBMW said:

We're better off without such vermin.

Fair point.

But I get squeamish killing flies... people who kill even spiders make me sad. I ran over a mouse once and it stayed with me (the guilt, not the ghost of the mouse or anything) all day. Inflicting death in any case just doesn't sit well with me. And as I've said, taking pleasure from the news of someone's demise smacks of a frightening personality type.

Doesn't mean I don't want the fly, or the spider, or the UNFORTUNATE human beings to just f*ck off away from me, though.