Car thief brothers killed in car crash
Discussion
falkster said:
How can that be? Brothers with different surnames? My brother and I have the same surname, Im confused?
They deserve what they got, sounds harsh but how many victims have they touched in a negative way and how many would they have touched until they were stopped??
Different fathers.They deserve what they got, sounds harsh but how many victims have they touched in a negative way and how many would they have touched until they were stopped??
The only bad element of this news is that it doesn't happen more often.
Jessicus said:
Forget good - I hope that their last moments on this earth were full of fear, pain and regret for the way that they had chosen to live their lives.
These weren't unfortunate people - they had the fortune to be born in the UK. A place with free education up to 18, a free health service, a (mostly) democratic government and a place which has social security from cradle to grave. A place where no-one needs to commit crime.
They CHOSE to enrich themselves by violating other peoples property, causing fear and untold misery.
I hope their deaths were agonizing.
These people exist in society whether we like it or not.These weren't unfortunate people - they had the fortune to be born in the UK. A place with free education up to 18, a free health service, a (mostly) democratic government and a place which has social security from cradle to grave. A place where no-one needs to commit crime.
They CHOSE to enrich themselves by violating other peoples property, causing fear and untold misery.
I hope their deaths were agonizing.
I like to think the majority are above calling for their death by car crash.
Adrian W said:
MocMocaMoc said:
Wow, I've done well here!
While I absolutely cant be ar*ed with arguing against the internet, I'd be equally well off shouting at the tide, I still fail to see (despite some truly excellent sarcasm gleefully illustrating what I should be thinking) how two, lets say 'errant' personalities climbing into someone else's car, wrapping it, killing themselves in the process CAN POSSIBLY EVER BE SEEN AS A GOOD THING TO HAPPEN IN OUR SOCIETY?!
Yes they're unlikely to be bothering anyone again, but do you really see the world in such a 2D state to assume that these people were simply 'scum'?!
Did you derive your morality from an 80's action film?
I feel bad for everyone involved - the families of those killed, the thieves for living such an apparently s
tty life, the victims of any crimes committed, and everyone else dragged into the whole affair. No one's come out a winner here...
Except for the gobste's with a right leaning sense of justice who love a good horror story. They came out singing! I'm picturing you all firing your AK47's in to the air right now.
In this case I think you're in a minority of one, does that tell you somethingWhile I absolutely cant be ar*ed with arguing against the internet, I'd be equally well off shouting at the tide, I still fail to see (despite some truly excellent sarcasm gleefully illustrating what I should be thinking) how two, lets say 'errant' personalities climbing into someone else's car, wrapping it, killing themselves in the process CAN POSSIBLY EVER BE SEEN AS A GOOD THING TO HAPPEN IN OUR SOCIETY?!
Yes they're unlikely to be bothering anyone again, but do you really see the world in such a 2D state to assume that these people were simply 'scum'?!
Did you derive your morality from an 80's action film?
I feel bad for everyone involved - the families of those killed, the thieves for living such an apparently s
tty life, the victims of any crimes committed, and everyone else dragged into the whole affair. No one's come out a winner here...Except for the gobs
te's with a right leaning sense of justice who love a good horror story. They came out singing! I'm picturing you all firing your AK47's in to the air right now.Minority of 2.
Butter Face said:
Quite.
'unfortunate human beings' my backside. Everyone is judged by the actions they take, if your actions end with you dead in a stolen car then it's your own bloody fault and you are a 'moron' or a 'waste of good oxygen' not an 'unfortunate human being'
.
It means the same thing? Only I'm less agitated, or surprised that these thing happen in this country, and responded dispassionately.'unfortunate human beings' my backside. Everyone is judged by the actions they take, if your actions end with you dead in a stolen car then it's your own bloody fault and you are a 'moron' or a 'waste of good oxygen' not an 'unfortunate human being'
.
Tell a child someone who nicked their sweets just fell over and bumped their knee - I'd wager the most likely response would be 'GOOD!'
And here we are...
MocMocaMoc said:
Butter Face said:
Quite.
'unfortunate human beings' my backside. Everyone is judged by the actions they take, if your actions end with you dead in a stolen car then it's your own bloody fault and you are a 'moron' or a 'waste of good oxygen' not an 'unfortunate human being'
.
It means the same thing? Only I'm less agitated, or surprised that these thing happen in this country, and responded dispassionately.'unfortunate human beings' my backside. Everyone is judged by the actions they take, if your actions end with you dead in a stolen car then it's your own bloody fault and you are a 'moron' or a 'waste of good oxygen' not an 'unfortunate human being'
.
Tell a child someone who nicked their sweets just fell over and bumped their knee - I'd wager the most likely response would be 'GOOD!'
And here we are...
un·for·tu·nate
/ˌənˈfôrCHənət/
Adjective
Having or marked by bad fortune; unlucky.
Noun
A person who suffers bad fortune.
Synonyms
adjective. unlucky - unhappy - hapless - ill-fated - luckless
noun. wretch
Then
crim·i·nal
/ˈkrimənl/
Noun
A person who has committed a crime.
Adjective
Of or relating to a crime: "criminal damage".
Synonyms
noun. felon - malefactor - delinquent - offender - culprit
adjective. felonious - guilty - penal - flagitious
2 completely different things and in no way related. You choose to commit crime, it's not just being 'unfortunate'. Your definition is wrong.
I am surprised this has got to 5 pages.
what is there to debate? The rights and wrongs of whether the two car thieves deserved their immolation?
The clue is in the word immolation, they set themselves on fire as a direct consequence of their actions. had they been out doing something more useful with their life then circumstances wouldn't have conspired to prematurely end their existence.
Deserved the nature of their death? maybe not, but you can't possibly argue that they didn't bring it squarely upon themselves.
what is there to debate? The rights and wrongs of whether the two car thieves deserved their immolation?
The clue is in the word immolation, they set themselves on fire as a direct consequence of their actions. had they been out doing something more useful with their life then circumstances wouldn't have conspired to prematurely end their existence.
Deserved the nature of their death? maybe not, but you can't possibly argue that they didn't bring it squarely upon themselves.
nyxster said:
MocMocaMoc said:
Unfortunate human beings... ? How's that?
Look, they were being dicks. And I'd not want to live near them, or anyone of their 'disposition'. My compassion seemingly only extends are far as a keyboard, but to happily sing how excellent the whole situation is?
Is retarded.
The problem is how much compassion do you think they would have had if they had killed a innocent bystander? Would they have stopped and rendered first aid and called an ambulance or made a run for it?Look, they were being dicks. And I'd not want to live near them, or anyone of their 'disposition'. My compassion seemingly only extends are far as a keyboard, but to happily sing how excellent the whole situation is?
Is retarded.
The point of my less than serious earlier post was that people committing such crimes generally act so far outside the regard of societies rules which are generally there to prevent harm to them or others that they sooner or late become victims of their own misadventure. We should be thankful nobody but the perps were harmed for once.
Should we feel sympathy for them? About as much as most criminals feel for their victims.
Being dicks is pulling donuts in your local home base car park.
Committing aggravated burglary to steal a car and driving at 100mph in a residential street to evade the police is serious criminality.
Let's face it a motoring forum full of powerfully built directors is not going to provoke some sort of mums net reaction is it so I'm surprised you are surprised as to the prevailing lack of crocodile tears for the deceased.
I'm not in any way defending these people, only disappointed (continually) that so many are so quick to heap praise on such an awful set of events. That people like these burglars / car thieves exist is terrible, that they should live, and end, their lives in such a manner is awful, that two human beings should burn to death is... sad. I see nothing good about what's happened. And I see nothing productive in hailing what's happened as a good thing.
With regards to how much compassion these people might feel for their victims, well one day I might ask the lad who killed my cousin. I might ask how clever he felt driving around uninsured, without a licence, racing his mate, and as someone who takes a great interest in motorsport and car control, what caused his Nova to roll over my 24 year old cousin while he was out riding his bike... At the time my uncle, a deeply religious man, stated in the local paper than he forgave the lad. Christ only knows what that felt like, for either.
Also, a little while ago on the VX220 Forum it came out that a member of the site had crashed his car, caught fire, and burned to death. The site was up in arms with a similar sentiment - apparently he deserved it for driving like a knob.
Burned to death.
Jessicus said:
Forget good - I hope that their last moments on this earth were full of fear, pain and regret for the way that they had chosen to live their lives.
These weren't unfortunate people - they had the fortune to be born in the UK. A place with free education up to 18, a free health service, a (mostly) democratic government and a place which has social security from cradle to grave. A place where no-one needs to commit crime.
They CHOSE to enrich themselves by violating other peoples property, causing fear and untold misery.
I hope their deaths were agonizing.
Stop sitting on the fence. Handwringer!These weren't unfortunate people - they had the fortune to be born in the UK. A place with free education up to 18, a free health service, a (mostly) democratic government and a place which has social security from cradle to grave. A place where no-one needs to commit crime.
They CHOSE to enrich themselves by violating other peoples property, causing fear and untold misery.
I hope their deaths were agonizing.
MocMocaMoc said:
Jessicus said:
Forget good - I hope that their last moments on this earth were full of fear, pain and regret for the way that they had chosen to live their lives.
These weren't unfortunate people - they had the fortune to be born in the UK. A place with free education up to 18, a free health service, a (mostly) democratic government and a place which has social security from cradle to grave. A place where no-one needs to commit crime.
They CHOSE to enrich themselves by violating other peoples property, causing fear and untold misery.
I hope their deaths were agonizing.
These people exist in society whether we like it or not.These weren't unfortunate people - they had the fortune to be born in the UK. A place with free education up to 18, a free health service, a (mostly) democratic government and a place which has social security from cradle to grave. A place where no-one needs to commit crime.
They CHOSE to enrich themselves by violating other peoples property, causing fear and untold misery.
I hope their deaths were agonizing.
I like to think the majority are above calling for their death by car crash.
LostBMW said:
Fair enough, we would actually prefer by hanging, or firing squad. But this will have to do as a substitute for now.
We? Bring back the death penalty here, in particular for car theft, and I'm leaving. I can't summon much sympathy but I sincerely hope they weren't still aware as the vehicle caught fire. Kind of depressing that so many here wish a burning death or worse for car theft.
aizvara said:
We? Bring back the death penalty here, in particular for car theft, and I'm leaving.
I can't summon much sympathy but I sincerely hope they weren't still aware as the vehicle caught fire. Kind of depressing that so many here wish a burning death or worse for car theft.
A loss of both hands for any theft will suffice.I can't summon much sympathy but I sincerely hope they weren't still aware as the vehicle caught fire. Kind of depressing that so many here wish a burning death or worse for car theft.
MocMocaMoc said:
All very reasonable.
I'm not in any way defending these people, only disappointed (continually) that so many are so quick to heap praise on such an awful set of events. That people like these burglars / car thieves exist is terrible, that they should live, and end, their lives in such a manner is awful, that two human beings should burn to death is... sad. I see nothing good about what's happened. And I see nothing productive in hailing what's happened as a good thing.
With regards to how much compassion these people might feel for their victims, well one day I might ask the lad who killed my cousin. I might ask how clever he felt driving around uninsured, without a licence, racing his mate, and as someone who takes a great interest in motorsport and car control, what caused his Nova to roll over my 24 year old cousin while he was out riding his bike... At the time my uncle, a deeply religious man, stated in the local paper than he forgave the lad. Christ only knows what that felt like, for either.
The lad who killed your cousin, probably (debatable, I understand given the level of law breaking) did not set out on that journey with the intention of doing anyone any harm. He may also live a long life full of remorse.I'm not in any way defending these people, only disappointed (continually) that so many are so quick to heap praise on such an awful set of events. That people like these burglars / car thieves exist is terrible, that they should live, and end, their lives in such a manner is awful, that two human beings should burn to death is... sad. I see nothing good about what's happened. And I see nothing productive in hailing what's happened as a good thing.
With regards to how much compassion these people might feel for their victims, well one day I might ask the lad who killed my cousin. I might ask how clever he felt driving around uninsured, without a licence, racing his mate, and as someone who takes a great interest in motorsport and car control, what caused his Nova to roll over my 24 year old cousin while he was out riding his bike... At the time my uncle, a deeply religious man, stated in the local paper than he forgave the lad. Christ only knows what that felt like, for either.
The w
kers who killed themselves in this crash did, repeatedly and possibly throughout every day of their existence, set out to do people harm. They choose to take and sponge from every person in this country via thieving and claiming benefits and all the rest of it. No doubt they were brought up in this way so I hope their families are suffering too, because they created these aholes.The people who go out to work each day and seek to provide themselves and their families with a good place to live and a good society to live in deserve to be left alone by the myriads who take, whether they be thieves or members of parliament or their local councilors wasting council tax or large corporates trying to also take as much as they can.
I am glad that these people have died because it means quite a degree less hassle for striving people in the future. I am sorry that so much damage was done and I regret/value the loss of cars and damage to property far more than the death of two a
holes. I particularly regret the loss of that van because it may mean that some honest chap may not now be able to pay his mortgage or rent, and thus his family will suffer.This is the effect that those who take have. They can only take from those seeking to provide.
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