Good stuff achieved by baby-boomer's.
Discussion
scenario8 said:
simoid said:
).The point Gove always glosses over is that that they were designed so most people couldn't pass them. My dad was a secondary modern head, and he told me that average intelligence people were expected to get grade 3 CSE - grade 1 was rated as an O level pass...
Edited by Prof Beard on Wednesday 13th February 18:58
The schooling system for the post-war baby-boomers was pure Darwinism, ie. Survival of the fittest. If you did not make it you had a hard time trying to make it up. It was the result of this ruthless pursuit of excellence that produced the great techno achievements of the last 50 odd years. I am content ot have been part of it all and feel quite sorry for the bottle fed generation of today.
Saddle bum said:
The schooling system for the post-war baby-boomers was pure Darwinism, ie. Survival of the fittest. If you did not make it you had a hard time trying to make it up. It was the result of this ruthless pursuit of excellence that produced the great techno achievements of the last 50 odd years. I am content ot have been part of it all and feel quite sorry for the bottle fed generation of today.
Well said and accurate too.crankedup said:
Saddle bum said:
The schooling system for the post-war baby-boomers was pure Darwinism, ie. Survival of the fittest. If you did not make it you had a hard time trying to make it up. It was the result of this ruthless pursuit of excellence that produced the great techno achievements of the last 50 odd years. I am content ot have been part of it all and feel quite sorry for the bottle fed generation of today.
Well said and accurate too.Slightly controversial but since the generational change and the non baby boomers have been of influence Britain has gone downhill, rapidly downhill. It will go faster downhill once the current load of entitlement whingers get their hands on the reins.
Loved the bottle fed comment btw Saddle Bum.
FiF said:
crankedup said:
Saddle bum said:
The schooling system for the post-war baby-boomers was pure Darwinism, ie. Survival of the fittest. If you did not make it you had a hard time trying to make it up. It was the result of this ruthless pursuit of excellence that produced the great techno achievements of the last 50 odd years. I am content ot have been part of it all and feel quite sorry for the bottle fed generation of today.
Well said and accurate too.Slightly controversial but since the generational change and the non baby boomers have been of influence Britain has gone downhill, rapidly downhill. It will go faster downhill once the current load of entitlement whingers get their hands on the reins.
Loved the bottle fed comment btw Saddle Bum.
There must be some hope
V88Dicky said:
rohrl said:
The baby boomers didn't develop space travel, that was their parents. Werner Von Braun was born in 1912.
He was indeed, but an awful lot of the thousands of engineers who worked on Apollo were born post WWII Wattsie said:
FiF said:
crankedup said:
Saddle bum said:
The schooling system for the post-war baby-boomers was pure Darwinism, ie. Survival of the fittest. If you did not make it you had a hard time trying to make it up. It was the result of this ruthless pursuit of excellence that produced the great techno achievements of the last 50 odd years. I am content ot have been part of it all and feel quite sorry for the bottle fed generation of today.
Well said and accurate too.Slightly controversial but since the generational change and the non baby boomers have been of influence Britain has gone downhill, rapidly downhill. It will go faster downhill once the current load of entitlement whingers get their hands on the reins.
Loved the bottle fed comment btw Saddle Bum.
There must be some hope
My school was an overflow Grammar. The Grammar was itself relatively small and wildly oversubscribed. To get into my school you had to pass the eleven plus. It had approx 90-100 students per year, all of who came from working class backgrounds. The school itself was relatively unusual, it was known as a Central Scool and was designed to be vocationally based, mine in particular had a technology bias.
I run the web site for my old school and have a data base with over two thousand former students entering the school between 1919-1964. I know for certain that an overwhelming majority of the students, especially post war, achieved great things and they all thank the school for it. However they seem to forget that hard work was expected of us, it was the norm. The teachers were wonderful people highly motivated to get the best out of us.
The whole thing came crashing down in 1964 when the head, who was a committed socialist, got his way and it went comprehensive.
FiF said:
crankedup said:
Saddle bum said:
The schooling system for the post-war baby-boomers was pure Darwinism, ie. Survival of the fittest. If you did not make it you had a hard time trying to make it up. It was the result of this ruthless pursuit of excellence that produced the great techno achievements of the last 50 odd years. I am content ot have been part of it all and feel quite sorry for the bottle fed generation of today.
Well said and accurate too.Slightly controversial but since the generational change and the non baby boomers have been of influence Britain has gone downhill, rapidly downhill. It will go faster downhill once the current load of entitlement whingers get their hands on the reins.
Loved the bottle fed comment btw Saddle Bum.
Space travel - largely German technology from the Nazi era
Automobiles - more German technology (how far has it actually moved since 1914?)
Aircraft - much of the key stuff was done 1914-45
The baby boomers came along at a lucky time for them, cashed in on an economic boom that was due to technology developed in two world wars, filled their boots, and left a lot of crap behind them. Their approach was always 'me first' while Britain as a country has been systematically raped or sold off to foreign interests. Now they are going to empty the pension funds, and blame the following generations who are saddled with THEIR debts. And who raised the bottle fed generation? ( who aren't going to fall into well paid jobs by the way.
cardigankid said:
Totally disagree.
Space travel - largely German technology from the Nazi era
Automobiles - more German technology (how far has it actually moved since 1914?)
Aircraft - much of the key stuff was done 1914-45
The baby boomers came along at a lucky time for them, cashed in on an economic boom that was due to technology developed in two world wars, filled their boots, and left a lot of crap behind them. Their approach was always 'me first' while Britain as a country has been systematically raped or sold off to foreign interests. Now they are going to empty the pension funds, and blame the following generations who are saddled with THEIR debts. And who raised the bottle fed generation? ( who aren't going to fall into well paid jobs by the way.
Not sure I've read that reasoning in many history books.Space travel - largely German technology from the Nazi era
Automobiles - more German technology (how far has it actually moved since 1914?)
Aircraft - much of the key stuff was done 1914-45
The baby boomers came along at a lucky time for them, cashed in on an economic boom that was due to technology developed in two world wars, filled their boots, and left a lot of crap behind them. Their approach was always 'me first' while Britain as a country has been systematically raped or sold off to foreign interests. Now they are going to empty the pension funds, and blame the following generations who are saddled with THEIR debts. And who raised the bottle fed generation? ( who aren't going to fall into well paid jobs by the way.
The war broke this country. It was really bankrupt, a lot worse than it is nowadays. There were plans to close schools and put kids out in the fields, presumably to cut the costs of imports. For 10 years there was rationing, even bread was rationed, something which didn't happen until after the war. In its two post war periods the Atlee government kept costs down and tried to expand income: Export or die.
With a loan from the Americans, final repayment in 2005, there was invested in infrastructure.
The 60s, although seen as a time of largesses, was, for most of us baby boomers, a time of having to make do. A friend with a car was a friend indeed.
If I went out to a pub I'd have two halves of Watney's red barrel. Not only was it all anyone could stomach, it was all I could afford. I went out twice a week.
So cashing in is not, I would suggest, how most baby boomers saw it.
This went on into the 70s. I had a good job and I had to save up for two years to get a deposit on a small bungalow in the middle of nowhere. Rail fares were cheap then but as a proportion of non-committed income was higher than they are now. I used to cycle two stops along the line to save a few shillings.
The big change came in the 80s when North Sea oil came online. All of a sudden there was a boom. Fair enough, it was wasted but by those who were pre-baby boomers. The state institutions were sold off at blow value for votes and the housing stock was given away with no incentive for councils, whose building plans kept house prices down, to build more. But, as I say, this was decisions made by those born before the boom.
Since then we have had loads and loads of technical stuff. I would suggest that iPads, smartphones and such were bought by post baby boomers in the main.
One small point: aircraft were post war, and in a big way unless you are thinking of flying in a modified Lancaster bomber.
The real wasters were not my baby boomer generation but the two before it. The world wars took the UK from being owed money by the world to owing money to everyone. The management of the economy between the wars was about an inept as you could get. We sold off our inheritance to pay for the American support. After the war we had to go cap in had to the country which had taken all our assets and plead for a loan. Keynes, for all the criticism revisionist lay at his door, saved this country from bankruptcy and indeed children working in the fields.
I like the idea of falling into well-paid jobs. I had to sell my car, my TV and walk the mile or so from Hextable into Swanley to catch the train to work. This despite working all but three days every four weeks. I once went seven weeks with just three days off. If I'd fallen over it would have been due to exhaustion.
Monty Python aside, you tell people today what it was like for baby-boomers and they don't believe you. Central heating of a weekend. Those were the days when baby-boomers wasted all the money.
cardigankid said:
FiF said:
crankedup said:
Saddle bum said:
The schooling system for the post-war baby-boomers was pure Darwinism, ie. Survival of the fittest. If you did not make it you had a hard time trying to make it up. It was the result of this ruthless pursuit of excellence that produced the great techno achievements of the last 50 odd years. I am content ot have been part of it all and feel quite sorry for the bottle fed generation of today.
Well said and accurate too.Slightly controversial but since the generational change and the non baby boomers have been of influence Britain has gone downhill, rapidly downhill. It will go faster downhill once the current load of entitlement whingers get their hands on the reins.
Loved the bottle fed comment btw Saddle Bum.
Space travel - largely German technology from the Nazi era
Automobiles - more German technology (how far has it actually moved since 1914?)
Aircraft - much of the key stuff was done 1914-45
The baby boomers came along at a lucky time for them, cashed in on an economic boom that was due to technology developed in two world wars, filled their boots, and left a lot of crap behind them. Their approach was always 'me first' while Britain as a country has been systematically raped or sold off to foreign interests. Now they are going to empty the pension funds, and blame the following generations who are saddled with THEIR debts. And who raised the bottle fed generation? ( who aren't going to fall into well paid jobs by the way.
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