Good stuff achieved by baby-boomer's.
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cardigankid said:
Space travel - largely German technology from the Nazi era
Automobiles - more German technology (how far has it actually moved since 1914?)
Aircraft - much of the key stuff was done 1914-45
If you believe that you've been reading a very odd set of books, do you only read German authors?Automobiles - more German technology (how far has it actually moved since 1914?)
Aircraft - much of the key stuff was done 1914-45
cardigankid said:
Space travel - largely German technology from the Nazi era
The Germans were ahead in the principles of ballistic flight but that has as much to do with space travel as a cartwheel has to do with a Ferrari 458.cardigankid said:
Automobiles - more German technology (how far has it actually moved since 1914?)
I would put a 'not sure if serious' here but let's not squander bandwidth..cardigankid said:
Aircraft - much of the key stuff was done 1914-45
I think you will find that most of the key aerodynamic developments dates from the 50s to 70s. cardigankid said:
The baby boomers came along at a unlucky time for them, saddled with an economic crisis that was due to debt accumulated in two world wars,
EFASaddle bum said:
Sorry, but you are a generation out. It was the baby-boomers + 1 that adopted Thatcher's ideology of selfish consumption and all that resulted from it.
Selfish consumption that served to provide us with great prosperity for a time - just like the next boom will no doubt do and let's not forget that it was the 1990s and 2000s that saw us go mental with the country's credit card.Realistically though, I don't think any generation had it 'better' or 'worse' than another - they just had it different.
So I can't buy houses on the cheap, but I have the internet, tech like smart phones and cars have never been cheaper. Seven years ago, people were enjoying some of the cheapest debt in history. It's all about ups and downs, it's just the substance of the ups and downs that changes.
Derek Smith said:
That must have been that meal at a local restaurant I had in the late 70s. I could have had a sandwich. Or perhaps the car I bought after 14 months of doing without. That VW 411 for £65.
It all contributed in some way to making us all better off, just like the various booms that followed 
deckster said:
V88Dicky said:
rohrl said:
The baby boomers didn't develop space travel, that was their parents. Werner Von Braun was born in 1912.
He was indeed, but an awful lot of the thousands of engineers who worked on Apollo were born post WWII The most critical component of Apollo's success, he said, was "the reservoir of young engineers and skilled workers" that was available.
"The average age of the vast majority of the employees in NASA was between 20 and 30 years old," he said. "And you've got to remember that. It is just absolutely critical to have the stamina, imagination, motivation that comes with young people. And if your agency has an average age as NASA does today of about 50 years, you probably are starting out with a problem and you need to figure out how to fix that."[/b]
I stand by what I said.
V88Dicky said:
deckster said:
V88Dicky said:
rohrl said:
The baby boomers didn't develop space travel, that was their parents. Werner Von Braun was born in 1912.
He was indeed, but an awful lot of the thousands of engineers who worked on Apollo were born post WWII The most critical component of Apollo's success, he said, was "the reservoir of young engineers and skilled workers" that was available.
"The average age of the vast majority of the employees in NASA was between 20 and 30 years old," he said. "And you've got to remember that. It is just absolutely critical to have the stamina, imagination, motivation that comes with young people. And if your agency has an average age as NASA does today of about 50 years, you probably are starting out with a problem and you need to figure out how to fix that."[/b]
I stand by what I said.
Space travel was developing long past the Appolo missions, shuttle any one.
I can only conclude that most posters in PH, responding on this thread,(with a few exceptions)are young people born just prior to the Thatcher era. Educated, motivated and embittered.
Some tremendous music. Stones for one. Freddie Mercury for another. How depressing life would be without them.
Formula one, the great years.
Can we include the ZX80?
Coffee that was drinkable. People moan about coffee shops such as Starbucks (other than fiddling their tax returns) but I remember the rubbish dished out as coffee before they came online. Arabica beans . . . not a patch on Camp coffee.
Style.
Before the baby boomers, teenagers used to dress like their parents. By the time they were teenagers and in their 20s, mothers dressed like their daughters and fathers moaned about the country going to the dogs. Mini skirts! Those were the days.
Further, the real change was that kids, us kids, did not follow, we took the lead. We were no longer talked down to by vicars, priests and some councilor who probably interfered with little boys but instead we asked: Why?
I remember my then girlfriend, replete in mini skirt, see-through blouse and almost transparent bra squeezing into a seat between my father and an uncle. The two men just smiled at her and she smiled back. No criticisms as there would have been in their time. We did it our way.
We went too far for it to be taken back and the freedom that the next generation enjoyed was based on the changes that we'd instigated.
If you see Saturday Night and Sunday Morning you'll see the relationship that was more or less common in the days before the baby boomers became immature. All of a sudden the opinion of girls was interesting. They talked about the same things we did mostly. You could have conversations with women. The move towards equal rights for women was started by my generation. I remember being at a party where I was sitting with a couple of girls chatting about music while my girlfriend was talking to a couple of blokes. Whilst it seems all but normal now, in those days it was a revolution.
Good stuff indeed.
Formula one, the great years.
Can we include the ZX80?
Coffee that was drinkable. People moan about coffee shops such as Starbucks (other than fiddling their tax returns) but I remember the rubbish dished out as coffee before they came online. Arabica beans . . . not a patch on Camp coffee.
Style.
Before the baby boomers, teenagers used to dress like their parents. By the time they were teenagers and in their 20s, mothers dressed like their daughters and fathers moaned about the country going to the dogs. Mini skirts! Those were the days.
Further, the real change was that kids, us kids, did not follow, we took the lead. We were no longer talked down to by vicars, priests and some councilor who probably interfered with little boys but instead we asked: Why?
I remember my then girlfriend, replete in mini skirt, see-through blouse and almost transparent bra squeezing into a seat between my father and an uncle. The two men just smiled at her and she smiled back. No criticisms as there would have been in their time. We did it our way.
We went too far for it to be taken back and the freedom that the next generation enjoyed was based on the changes that we'd instigated.
If you see Saturday Night and Sunday Morning you'll see the relationship that was more or less common in the days before the baby boomers became immature. All of a sudden the opinion of girls was interesting. They talked about the same things we did mostly. You could have conversations with women. The move towards equal rights for women was started by my generation. I remember being at a party where I was sitting with a couple of girls chatting about music while my girlfriend was talking to a couple of blokes. Whilst it seems all but normal now, in those days it was a revolution.
Good stuff indeed.
SpeedMattersNot said:
this is just a place for old people to talk about how "in my day it was better"
It isn't; it is, amongst other things, a place for those with more experience to let us know how those experiences differ from others, whether they be younger, older or elsewhere to take from it what they will.What have you taken from it?
crankedup said:
Saddle bum said:
The schooling system for the post-war baby-boomers was pure Darwinism, ie. Survival of the fittest. If you did not make it you had a hard time trying to make it up. It was the result of this ruthless pursuit of excellence that produced the great techno achievements of the last 50 odd years. I am content ot have been part of it all and feel quite sorry for the bottle fed generation of today.
Well said and accurate too.Our 14yr old neighbour sat with our kids this evening whilst my wife and I went to parents' evenings for our youngest two sprogs.
We got back to find her happily explaining DNA nucleobases and dominant/regressive genes to our 10yr old daughter!
Thank God some parts of the country managed to hang on to grammar schools, and touch everything that even looks like wood within a 5 mile radius that our daughter passes the exam next year!
SpeedMattersNot said:
If this is just a place for old people to talk about how "in my day it was better" it should not be in NP&E.
Start a group on FaceBook or something...oh wait...
I was replying to Mike's request for more upbeat answers on 'Good stuff'.Start a group on FaceBook or something...oh wait...
And I did not suggest that in my day it was better but merely that we gave you an inheritance. You've wasted the music of course, but not done so badly with the rest. Things have improved from our day, considerably. Before us, if a trumped up youngster who needed to 'get some in' (look it up) had the cheek to criticise his betters he'd be banned from internet forums.
Derek Smith said:
Can we include the ZX80?
Totally OT, but one day in the summer of 1976, my mother had to take my sister to a hospital appointment and couldn't find anyone to look after me, so dropped me off with my dad at work (IBM Sale - which doesn't seem to have changed much since!) for a couple of hours. He took me to see "the computer", which back then was in a room the size of our lounge, and operated by men in white coats.Inside 10 years, he brought home a ZX Spectrum, and said "do you remember that computer with the men in white coats? This is more powerful."
I know Clive Sinclair wasn't the only one, but the speed with which people were advancing computing at that time was just staggering.
Kermit power said:
Totally OT, but one day in the summer of 1976, my mother had to take my sister to a hospital appointment and couldn't find anyone to look after me, so dropped me off with my dad at work (IBM Sale - which doesn't seem to have changed much since!) for a couple of hours. He took me to see "the computer", which back then was in a room the size of our lounge, and operated by men in white coats.
Inside 10 years, he brought home a ZX Spectrum, and said "do you remember that computer with the men in white coats? This is more powerful."
I know Clive Sinclair wasn't the only one, but the speed with which people were advancing computing at that time was just staggering.
It's difficult to remember the awe in which I viewed the first ZX80 that I saw. I immediately started saving (£99 +£50 for the 1/2K RAM extension) and got enough for a ZX81 when it arrived. The number of Moon landings I've made. Then how long before the Spectrum? Programming in basic was a real kick. Then put in a cupboard when my 500K Amiga was brought into the house. TBAG days! I wrote to TBAG a couple of times and then the excitement of awaiting their reply, three or four weeks later. The chap next door coming round to see my 24-pin printer. The speed!Inside 10 years, he brought home a ZX Spectrum, and said "do you remember that computer with the men in white coats? This is more powerful."
I know Clive Sinclair wasn't the only one, but the speed with which people were advancing computing at that time was just staggering.
I've got three TB of HDD, 16gig Ram, two screens run by a 1gig graphics card and a printer that gives out photo-quality material.
I had planned for my retirement. I was going to put a dark room in my loft. I'd got a Durst Reporter enlarger with a range of lenses. Old but in excellent condition. (The previous owner was an old chap who'd died just before his retirement and it had hardly been used. When his missus went the daughter advertised it in the Friday Ad for £20.) I had to make two trips to pick up all the gear, including well out of date chemicals. I asked her is she was happy with the price and she said it had been advertised for weeks in a local shop.
I'd plumbed in the loft and got a ring main for the heaters and stuff. About ten years ago I gave the enlarger, trays, heaters, tongs, film developing tanks, red lights and such to a local art college and they seemed fairly pleased. I'd got everything I needed on my desktop.
A couple of years later I gave my camera, a nice SLR with a range of lenses, to a bloke who worked in a charity and he put its value in the collecting box. Probably £20 but it had cost me hundreds but no one wanted it.
I've now got five digital cameras, two of which are in the loft as their size is only 6mp. No use to man nor beast given their size. The one I carry around everywhere is 14mp.
It is as close to magic as it is possible to get. At least as close as you can get using TomTom. More magic.
Derek Smith said:
It's difficult to remember the awe in which I viewed the first ZX80 that I saw. I immediately started saving (£99 +£50 for the 1/2K RAM extension) and got enough for a ZX81 when it arrived. The number of Moon landings I've made. Then how long before the Spectrum? Programming in basic was a real kick. Then put in a cupboard when my 500K Amiga was brought into the house. TBAG days! I wrote to TBAG a couple of times and then the excitement of awaiting their reply, three or four weeks later. The chap next door coming round to see my 24-pin printer. The speed!
I've got three TB of HDD, 16gig Ram, two screens run by a 1gig graphics card and a printer that gives out photo-quality material.
I had planned for my retirement. I was going to put a dark room in my loft. I'd got a Durst Reporter enlarger with a range of lenses. Old but in excellent condition. (The previous owner was an old chap who'd died just before his retirement and it had hardly been used. When his missus went the daughter advertised it in the Friday Ad for £20.) I had to make two trips to pick up all the gear, including well out of date chemicals. I asked her is she was happy with the price and she said it had been advertised for weeks in a local shop.
I'd plumbed in the loft and got a ring main for the heaters and stuff. About ten years ago I gave the enlarger, trays, heaters, tongs, film developing tanks, red lights and such to a local art college and they seemed fairly pleased. I'd got everything I needed on my desktop.
A couple of years later I gave my camera, a nice SLR with a range of lenses, to a bloke who worked in a charity and he put its value in the collecting box. Probably £20 but it had cost me hundreds but no one wanted it.
I've now got five digital cameras, two of which are in the loft as their size is only 6mp. No use to man nor beast given their size. The one I carry around everywhere is 14mp.
It is as close to magic as it is possible to get. At least as close as you can get using TomTom. More magic.
And just to take it a step further, I recently sold my TomTom on Ebay, because my Android phone does a better job, so it's now totally redundant! I've got three TB of HDD, 16gig Ram, two screens run by a 1gig graphics card and a printer that gives out photo-quality material.
I had planned for my retirement. I was going to put a dark room in my loft. I'd got a Durst Reporter enlarger with a range of lenses. Old but in excellent condition. (The previous owner was an old chap who'd died just before his retirement and it had hardly been used. When his missus went the daughter advertised it in the Friday Ad for £20.) I had to make two trips to pick up all the gear, including well out of date chemicals. I asked her is she was happy with the price and she said it had been advertised for weeks in a local shop.
I'd plumbed in the loft and got a ring main for the heaters and stuff. About ten years ago I gave the enlarger, trays, heaters, tongs, film developing tanks, red lights and such to a local art college and they seemed fairly pleased. I'd got everything I needed on my desktop.
A couple of years later I gave my camera, a nice SLR with a range of lenses, to a bloke who worked in a charity and he put its value in the collecting box. Probably £20 but it had cost me hundreds but no one wanted it.
I've now got five digital cameras, two of which are in the loft as their size is only 6mp. No use to man nor beast given their size. The one I carry around everywhere is 14mp.
It is as close to magic as it is possible to get. At least as close as you can get using TomTom. More magic.
And to take it another step further the Mrs wanted a macro shot of something, I thought I had macro on my digital camera, but for the life of me I couldn't get it to work properly, so I took the best photo I could. It was sort of OK but nothing special.
Then on the off chance as I was playing with my new phone tried the camera on that, the macro shot that the phone managed with no fuss knocked the digital camera way into touch.
Then on the off chance as I was playing with my new phone tried the camera on that, the macro shot that the phone managed with no fuss knocked the digital camera way into touch.
DonnyMac said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
this is just a place for old people to talk about how "in my day it was better"
It isn't; it is, amongst other things, a place for those with more experience to let us know how those experiences differ from others, whether they be younger, older or elsewhere to take from it what they will.What have you taken from it?
Like I was hinting at though, I don't think it really has a home in the 'News, Politics & Economics' area of PitstonFace.
Derek Smith said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
If this is just a place for old people to talk about how "in my day it was better" it should not be in NP&E.
Start a group on FaceBook or something...oh wait...
I was replying to Mike's request for more upbeat answers on 'Good stuff'.Start a group on FaceBook or something...oh wait...
And I did not suggest that in my day it was better but merely that we gave you an inheritance. You've wasted the music of course, but not done so badly with the rest. Things have improved from our day, considerably. Before us, if a trumped up youngster who needed to 'get some in' (look it up) had the cheek to criticise his betters he'd be banned from internet forums.
The music? Don't get me started...that's like saying you taught us how to cook meat and boil potatoes! That we are welcome to start a discussion in the music forum - or by email if you prefer.
I'm sorry I don't understand your terminology. But something has changed since your day.
I believe Education is the most important factor when trying to change a generation. It's what most people talk about as most different when these topics occur. So, regarding the education factor, I think Ken Robertson has is right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
What do you think?
P.s. I also think religious beliefs have had an affect on civilisation. But that will probably just be me...there aren't any bad students at my wife's school who attend church with us every Sunday! And I believe going to church was more common in the baby booming years?
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