Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend
Discussion
TheSnitch said:
It really does bring it home, reading that, the sheer magnitude of the hole he has dug himself into.
Do we know who else Roux plans to call? I know the next witness up is the chap from the estate management, if I have remembered correctly, but I am wondering where else he intends to go with this. The pathologist they commissioned has apparently declined to give evidence and it's difficult to see that he could have a ballistics expert, a medical expert, a trace evidence expert or a sound expert in his toolkit, otherwise he would not have introduced evidence on all those areas from an unqualified, non-expert dingbat like Dixon. He claimed earlier in the case that the defence would produce evidence to show Pistorius screamed like a girl. With the quality evidence which has gone before, I am expecting this to take the form of some mobile phone footage of the accused enbarrassing himself singing Maria Carey at a karaoke party, with expert analysis by Davey D, mobile DJ, weddings and birthdays a speciality. Or Louis Walsh.
It is hard to see where the defence can go now, perhaps a seance to Steve Jobs to find out what was on OP's IPhone?Do we know who else Roux plans to call? I know the next witness up is the chap from the estate management, if I have remembered correctly, but I am wondering where else he intends to go with this. The pathologist they commissioned has apparently declined to give evidence and it's difficult to see that he could have a ballistics expert, a medical expert, a trace evidence expert or a sound expert in his toolkit, otherwise he would not have introduced evidence on all those areas from an unqualified, non-expert dingbat like Dixon. He claimed earlier in the case that the defence would produce evidence to show Pistorius screamed like a girl. With the quality evidence which has gone before, I am expecting this to take the form of some mobile phone footage of the accused enbarrassing himself singing Maria Carey at a karaoke party, with expert analysis by Davey D, mobile DJ, weddings and birthdays a speciality. Or Louis Walsh.
So it turns out OPs live in housekeeper was present on the night of the murder. Sleeps in a small room next to the kitchen but heard nothing..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pi...
Surely this chap is critical to the case yet not been called by either defence or prosecution.
The whole trial reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons in Australia when Bart gets the boot.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pi...
Surely this chap is critical to the case yet not been called by either defence or prosecution.
The whole trial reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons in Australia when Bart gets the boot.
Pesty said:
Piersman2 said:
When I first heard that Reeva had been shot in the toilet, I'd assumed she was on the toilet.
However, something that crossed my mind when I saw the trial coverage and the layout of the toilet above ^^^, is that Reeva can't have been on the toilet, it's not in line of fire of the shots based on where they are shown on the door during the trial.
She must have been stood or even sat directly behind the door for the four shots to have all hit, especially the head shot.
Why would someone be doing that? To stop someone breaking down the door, maybe? With a cricket bat? Never dreaming that the nutter on the other side would return with a gun and fire through the door in a fit of rage?
Exactly the same thought crossed my mind. Stood bracing herself against it.However, something that crossed my mind when I saw the trial coverage and the layout of the toilet above ^^^, is that Reeva can't have been on the toilet, it's not in line of fire of the shots based on where they are shown on the door during the trial.
She must have been stood or even sat directly behind the door for the four shots to have all hit, especially the head shot.
Why would someone be doing that? To stop someone breaking down the door, maybe? With a cricket bat? Never dreaming that the nutter on the other side would return with a gun and fire through the door in a fit of rage?
Also, I thought the forensic evidence backed up Pistorius' story that the gunshots came first and were followed by the cricket bat?
jogon said:
So it turns out OPs live in housekeeper was present on the night of the murder. Sleeps in a small room next to the kitchen but heard nothing..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pi...
Surely this chap is critical to the case yet not been called by either defence or prosecution.
The whole trial reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons in Australia when Bart gets the boot.
Odd isn't it? But is he has made a statment he heard nothing then that's that.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pi...
Surely this chap is critical to the case yet not been called by either defence or prosecution.
The whole trial reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons in Australia when Bart gets the boot.
He will say to the prosecution the same does nothing for their story and the defence likewise. However, surely he would know about when they ate what time they went to bed, if they argued?
Because of his statement perhaps both sides view him as an unrealiable witness?
jogon said:
So it turns out OPs live in housekeeper was present on the night of the murder. Sleeps in a small room next to the kitchen but heard nothing..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pi...
Surely this chap is critical to the case yet not been called by either defence or prosecution.
The whole trial reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons in Australia when Bart gets the boot.
Probably not a reliable witness if he was in OP's employ and may still be somehow.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pi...
Surely this chap is critical to the case yet not been called by either defence or prosecution.
The whole trial reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons in Australia when Bart gets the boot.
garyhun said:
MoshiLego said:
Also, I thought the forensic evidence backed up Pistorius' story that the gunshots came first and were followed by the cricket bat?
I am curious as to how forensic evidence can tell the timeline for this. Its the same with the very fact that OP killed RS by shooting her through the door. This is also accepted by both sides.
TTmonkey said:
garyhun said:
MoshiLego said:
Also, I thought the forensic evidence backed up Pistorius' story that the gunshots came first and were followed by the cricket bat?
I am curious as to how forensic evidence can tell the timeline for this. Its the same with the very fact that OP killed RS by shooting her through the door. This is also accepted by both sides.
kev1974 said:
Probably not a reliable witness if he was in OP's employ and may still be somehow.
It is bizarre. Other key witnesses heard shouting, shots, banging, cries all from many metres away but this housekeeper presumably only a few feet away heard nothing. I would have thought experienced interogation would have refreshed his memory, but his word appears to have been accepted without question.
I have no idea re uk judicial system but would imagine witnesses who are called but don't appear on time due to having children to sort out might be held in contempt. Not in SA . It seems the norm for witnesses to turn up late and to adjourn for almost any obscure reason in spite of the judge telling them to trot on.
It seems a different world, so who knows what the outcome might be.
jogon said:
So it turns out OPs live in housekeeper was present on the night of the murder. Sleeps in a small room next to the kitchen but heard nothing..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pi...
Surely this chap is critical to the case yet not been called by either defence or prosecution.
The whole trial reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons in Australia when Bart gets the boot.
This ''small room, next to the kitchen''.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pi...
Surely this chap is critical to the case yet not been called by either defence or prosecution.
The whole trial reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons in Australia when Bart gets the boot.
It wasn't a nuclear fallout shelter, by any chance?
He heard nothing, but he was up and about by the time the neighbours got there. Okay.
I'm quite a light sleeper. A mouse farting at the foot of the garden would wake me. But even so - multiple gunshots, doors being battered down, Oscar screaming like a woman? What does this guy use as an alarm clock - mortar rounds?
It's a shame he isn't deaf - I would have enjoyed another chance to see that ''sign language'' chap from Mandela's funeral again.
sky news said:
Oscar Pistorius has been accused of trying to intimidate a friend of his dead girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp during a break in his murder trial.
A lawyer for Kim Myers told Sky News the athlete whispered "How do you sleep at night?" to her on his way out of the courtroom in Pretoria.
Ian Levitt confirmed a complaint had been made to the National Prosecuting Authority, and that they were considering whether to proceed with a case of intimidation.
"My client, Kim Myers, was approached by Oscar Pistorius in court today and in a very sinister tone was asked 'How can you sleep at night?'" said Mr Levitt.
"My client views this unwelcome approach as extremely disturbing and I have been in communication with the National Prosecuting Authorities as well as the Investigating Officer. All other parties have also been informed.
"My client, however, will remain focused on the trial and will continue to attend court in support of Reeva."
Sky's Special Correspondent Alex Crawford was among the journalists who put the accusation to Pistorius during an adjournment in the trial.
She said: "He vigorously denied it. He said he did not said anything to any of the Myers and that he had not spoken to them in weeks.
"He went on to say he had to pass them each day in court but that each time he felt they were avoiding his eye contact."
Kim Myers is the sister of Gina Myers - Ms Steenkamp's best friend.
Pistorius' alleged intimidation was not heard by nearby reporters.
A police photographer saw him lean towards Ms Myers and later asked the family what had occurred - leading to a complaint being made.
Ms Myers declined to comment when approached by Sky News
When you are in a hole, Oscar......A lawyer for Kim Myers told Sky News the athlete whispered "How do you sleep at night?" to her on his way out of the courtroom in Pretoria.
Ian Levitt confirmed a complaint had been made to the National Prosecuting Authority, and that they were considering whether to proceed with a case of intimidation.
"My client, Kim Myers, was approached by Oscar Pistorius in court today and in a very sinister tone was asked 'How can you sleep at night?'" said Mr Levitt.
"My client views this unwelcome approach as extremely disturbing and I have been in communication with the National Prosecuting Authorities as well as the Investigating Officer. All other parties have also been informed.
"My client, however, will remain focused on the trial and will continue to attend court in support of Reeva."
Sky's Special Correspondent Alex Crawford was among the journalists who put the accusation to Pistorius during an adjournment in the trial.
She said: "He vigorously denied it. He said he did not said anything to any of the Myers and that he had not spoken to them in weeks.
"He went on to say he had to pass them each day in court but that each time he felt they were avoiding his eye contact."
Kim Myers is the sister of Gina Myers - Ms Steenkamp's best friend.
Pistorius' alleged intimidation was not heard by nearby reporters.
A police photographer saw him lean towards Ms Myers and later asked the family what had occurred - leading to a complaint being made.
Ms Myers declined to comment when approached by Sky News
TTmonkey said:
GALLARDOGUY said:
pidsy said:
complaint made agains OP in court.
apparenly, whispered "how do you sleep at night" to one of her friends.
What a fool.apparenly, whispered "how do you sleep at night" to one of her friends.
It's as if he's got Max Clifford doing his PR!
jogon said:
Surely this chap is critical to the case yet not been called by either defence or prosecution.
Well, a cynic might suggest the defence don't want him because he will not be able to lie about hearing nothing under cross examination and the prosecution don't want him because he would be a hostile witness and might, just might, support Oscar's case....Jasandjules said:
jogon said:
Surely this chap is critical to the case yet not been called by either defence or prosecution.
Well, a cynic might suggest the defence don't want him because he will not be able to lie about hearing nothing under cross examination and the prosecution don't want him because he would be a hostile witness and might, just might, support Oscar's case....Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff