Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend

Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend

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kiseca

9,339 posts

220 months

Saturday 28th June 2014
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Bonefish Blues said:
In the context of the case, the latter. The BBC doesn't typically report every heart attack suffered by a South African Psycholgist AFAIK.
Of course they don't, but they did report this one. If you are going to report it at all, it's not unreasonable to expect at least some indication of the victim's health. But no, turns out Oscar was right. It is all about him. Doesn't matter who dies around him as long as the world sees the celebrity get his day in court and we don't have too long to see it (live, nog al!)

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Monday 30th June 2014
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Aaaaaaand, we're back

Bonefish Blues

26,790 posts

224 months

Monday 30th June 2014
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Can't stream it at this (largely South African, ironically!) company so can we have updates please chaps?

Thanks

Rocksteadyeddie

7,971 posts

228 months

Monday 30th June 2014
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He's not mad*

*at least in a clinical sense

Laurel Green

30,780 posts

233 months

Monday 30th June 2014
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BBC said:
Court adjourned coverage will follow shortly.

KTF

9,808 posts

151 months

Monday 30th June 2014
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Whoever was in charge of looking after the contents of the house is not in a happy place right now.

Lost soul

8,712 posts

183 months

Monday 30th June 2014
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KTF said:
Whoever was in charge of looking after the contents of the house is not in a happy place right now.
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Rocksteadyeddie

7,971 posts

228 months

Monday 30th June 2014
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KTF said:
Whoever was in charge of looking after the contents of the house is not in a happy place right now.
yes Morons.

Bonefish Blues

26,790 posts

224 months

Monday 30th June 2014
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Bonefish Blues said:
Can't stream it at this (largely South African, ironically!) company so can we have updates please chaps?

Thanks
...you might have to give us a little more context guys!

Vaud

50,580 posts

156 months

Monday 30th June 2014
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CoolHands

18,672 posts

196 months

Tuesday 1st July 2014
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^ Someone nicked the electrical cord (to what I'm not sure - the fan?) which the state says was too short to support oscars claim that (the fan?) was where he said it was. It was in some official police photographs, & then at a later date it wasn't, and can't be found in evidence.

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

218 months

Tuesday 1st July 2014
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It seems the defence tactic of bringing mental issues to the table has backfired fairly spectacularly. No doubt they knew it was a risky route, though the potential downside with regards its effect on likelihood of finding guilt and/or sentencing if it went wrong must have made it a tough call.

I hope the outcome here reflects the merits of the case based on the events and people that evening, rather than subsequent Police mishandling of the evidence and procedures.

Rocksteadyeddie

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228 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2014
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The quotes from the psychological report sound pretty good for Oscar. He's normal. Comes across as a nice fella. Heightening fear response. No narcicistic behaviour. Other bits. He's had a decent couple of days. Roux is about to call his last witness so it sounds as if we're reaching the latter stages of the trial.

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

218 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2014
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Rocksteadyeddie said:
The quotes from the psychological report sound pretty good for Oscar. He's normal. Comes across as a nice fella. Heightening fear response. No narcicistic behaviour. Other bits. He's had a decent couple of days. Roux is about to call his last witness so it sounds as if we're reaching the latter stages of the trial.
I'm not sure how they're 'good', when they contradict what the defence was trying to establish- that he was abnormally affected and therefore had a reduced culpability.

Rocksteadyeddie

7,971 posts

228 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2014
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tenpenceshort said:
Rocksteadyeddie said:
The quotes from the psychological report sound pretty good for Oscar. He's normal. Comes across as a nice fella. Heightening fear response. No narcicistic behaviour. Other bits. He's had a decent couple of days. Roux is about to call his last witness so it sounds as if we're reaching the latter stages of the trial.
I'm not sure how they're 'good', when they contradict what the defence was trying to establish- that he was abnormally affected and therefore had a reduced culpability.
I'm not sure the defence was trying to establish anything. The report was asked for by the prosecution. My view of the reports is that they paint OP in a light which is quite favourable given the case the prosecution has been trying to make. i.e. that he's a controlling nutcase, prone to bouts of temper, and killed RS in a fit of rage. Much of the psych report suggests to the contrary IMHO.

TEKNOPUG

18,971 posts

206 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2014
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Rocksteadyeddie said:
I'm not sure the defence was trying to establish anything. The report was asked for by the prosecution. My view of the reports is that they paint OP in a light which is quite favourable given the case the prosecution has been trying to make. i.e. that he's a controlling nutcase, prone to bouts of temper, and killed RS in a fit of rage. Much of the psych report suggests to the contrary IMHO.
The Prosecution pre-empted the Defence in calling for the psychological report, in order to ward off any later attempt by the defence to appeal on the grounds of diminished responsibility - basically playing the Defences' joker now, rather than when they wanted to.

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

218 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2014
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Rocksteadyeddie said:
I'm not sure the defence was trying to establish anything. The report was asked for by the prosecution. My view of the reports is that they paint OP in a light which is quite favourable given the case the prosecution has been trying to make. i.e. that he's a controlling nutcase, prone to bouts of temper, and killed RS in a fit of rage. Much of the psych report suggests to the contrary IMHO.
The defence introduced a psychological report and, during the trial, a psychologist expert called by the defence gave evidence to the effect that Pistorius had psychological issues that had effected his culpability on that night. It was this action by the defence, in trying to reduce his culpability, that allowed the prosecution to apply to the court for a State assessment (which the defence opposed and lost). This subsequent, State report, contradicts the earlier evidence produced by the defence and says that Pistorius was fully able to distinguish between right and wrong at the time of the killing. This is damaging to Pistorius.

Steffan

10,362 posts

229 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2014
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tenpenceshort said:
Rocksteadyeddie said:
I'm not sure the defence was trying to establish anything. The report was asked for by the prosecution. My view of the reports is that they paint OP in a light which is quite favourable given the case the prosecution has been trying to make. i.e. that he's a controlling nutcase, prone to bouts of temper, and killed RS in a fit of rage. Much of the psych report suggests to the contrary IMHO.
The defence introduced a psychological report and, during the trial, a psychologist expert called by the defence gave evidence to the effect that Pistorius had psychological issues that had effected his culpability on that night. It was this action by the defence, in trying to reduce his culpability, that allowed the prosecution to apply to the court for a State assessment (which the defence opposed and lost). This subsequent, State report, contradicts the earlier evidence produced by the defence and says that Pistorius was fully able to distinguish between right and wrong at the time of the killing. This is damaging to Pistorius.
That is my view of the consequences on the trial. Given the whole gamut of responses over the months on PH and the weight of evidence that there has been that is deeply damaging to Pistorius and points to his guilt I am expecting a guilty verdict and a significant jail term. The OH who spent a considerable amount of time in SA when her parents were running mission hospitals years ago knows SA much more than I do and is convinced that the judge will be bought off and a not guilty verdict returned. Her view is that SA justice depends on your chequebook. I am hopefully in this case it will not do so but I am no expert on SA or court proceedings in SA. I do think Pistrius is guilty. I have every sympathy for the mother and family of the murdered girl, and indeed the victim herself who was utterly destroyed by Pistorius. Evil man IMO who deserves to be punished for his murderous actions.

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

218 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2014
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My OH who also lived in SA also believes he's unlikely to be found guilty because of who he is...

I'm slightly more confident in the system producing a just result, whatever that may be.

Bonefish Blues

26,790 posts

224 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2014
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Depressing to hear such negative views of the Justice System of a major developed county.