Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend

[Mermaid]

anonymous said:

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Cmoose's view on the likely sentence.

"Before the sentencing circus began today, I was confident he'd get a hefty multi-year stretch. Five-plus years.

That's where my money still is, but the farce that unfolded today leaves me less confident / reduced the odds on that outcome and made me and more wary that I may end up looking very foolish, not that I actually give a toss about looking foolish. If there is a difference between me and the pitchfork and flaming torches brigade, it's that I'll have no problem owning up if it turns out I got it wrong"

[krunchkin]

anonymous said:

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you're not coming across as any way informed or competent to comment on the proceedings frankly

[Mermaid]

anonymous said:

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Intention was merely to remind of your prognosis - I forecast 5 years.

[burwoodman]

anonymous said:

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The idea is simply to take a polar opposite view. Just picture an old fart sitting at a keyboard in his piss stained Y fronts and vest.

[krunchkin]

anonymous said:

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enduring image

[Mermaid]

Back to business.

If he gets a very light sentence i.e community service and no jail time, that precedent will reverberate around the world. The Judge will be famous.

[hornetrider]

Mermaid said:

Back to business.

If he gets a very light sentence i.e community service and no jail time, that precedent will reverberate around the world. The Judge will be famous.

Infamous more like. As such I can only see her handing down a custodial. Whether it's enough for the prosecution to be satisfied is another matter.

[burwoodman]

hornetrider said:

Mermaid said:

Back to business.

If he gets a very light sentence i.e community service and no jail time, that precedent will reverberate around the world. The Judge will be famous.

Infamous more like. As such I can only see her handing down a custodial. Whether it's enough for the prosecution to be satisfied is another matter.

Agreed- it will be custodial, just remember he can serve half whatever she hands out unless she specifies a min. It should be 20 years hard labour and just when he gets back from a 10 hr rock crushing day, he gets jumped by Dewani and gets shagged

[Lost soul]

burwoodman said:

It should be 20 years hard labour and just when he gets back from a 10 hr rock crushing day, he gets jumped by Dewani and gets shagged

Now that guy is looking forward to time in the big house being bummed

[Mastodon2]

I saw this disgusting little creature on TV today, they were giving details about how his defence said he shouldn't go to prison because there was no railing in the shower, but as it happened, there was no railing in his shower at home. They should put a railing in the prison shower, so he's got something to hold onto while he is getting his bumming.

This man is a cretin and an appalling little ghoul, I hope he gets the harshest sentence available. It's bad enough that he wasn't convicted of murder, this farcical tale he has told was apparently enough to buy him out of that, though of course, being famous and disabled probably helped there.

I couldn't believe it when the dead girl's parents said they had "forgiven him because he has lost everything, he is a broken man", and that his defence saying his loss of earnings is punishment enough. A woman is dead here because some loon with an inferiority complex and gun killed her. I don't believe his bullst story about the night of her death at all.

[lady topaz]

I believe Nell has painted the judge into a corner by not asking for the 15 year custodial sentence.

10 years will satisfy most. If she goes for the occasional community order, it will be appealed and with her up and coming retirement she will always be known as the judge that blew it.

By not giving the maximum but deferring to popular demand, she has a vague chance of saving face from this farce.

We will see.

[Mermaid]

lady topaz said:

I believe Nell has painted the judge into a corner by not asking for the 15 year custodial sentence.

10 years will satisfy most. If she goes for the occasional community order, it will be appealed and with her up and coming retirement she will always be known as the judge that blew it.

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That's a fair assessment. I am revising my forecast to a minimum of 7.5 years, 2.5 years suspended.

[krunchkin]

All this long, drawn out, absurd trial process has done is shown that if you are rich enough, and white enough in South Africa you can blow away your girlfriend with impunity. Justice? My fking arse

[Jasandjules]

krunchkin said:

All this long, drawn out, absurd trial process has done is shown that if you are rich enough, and white enough in South Africa you can blow away your girlfriend with impunity. Justice? My fking arse

Don't feel bad, you can get away with quite a lot if you are rich here too.

[burwoodman]

Jasandjules said:

Don't feel bad, you can get away with quite a lot if you are rich here too.

It's an interesting point- He isn't rich by UK standards though is he. He was earning 5m rand a year and no doubt spending a lot of that on his accoutraments. That's about gbp 300k. It's not a lot.

However in SA a mansion costs 500k gbp, even Roux has only charged 500k gbp for what is an 18 month case. If it was a qc here of this magnitude you'd be in for 1.5M easy.

Is anyone surprised that the trial is a farce. It's all rather Asda

[pacman1]

The world is watching, they'll split the difference.

If it was this country, I'd say eight years cushty cushty, out in five or less on licence.

Bet I'm not far out. But hey waddoiknow, except he's guilty.

Edited by pacman1 on Saturday 18th October 02:00

[Pints]

krunchkin said:

you're trying to be a smart ass and sneer at what people are talking about but you really don't get it. For one - culpable homicide has no maximum or minimum term in SA. What people are annoyed about, watching this grim, pathetic, fatuous farce plsy out on their television, is that it all appears to be about OP rather than the horrible, grisly death that his girlfriend suffered when he pumped a hand cannon into her in a fit of rage.

Edited by krunchkin on Friday 17th October 12:58

But that, according to the verdict, is not what happened either.

Many, many pages ago I was criticised for claiming that the imagined scenario (as presented by the defence) was a possible or likely one in South Africa.

Now that Masipa has effectively stated that, given South Africa's propensity to violence and crime, the scenario imagined by the defence is plausible. In passing the verdict, she has dismissed the state's version of events (and yours) as untrue.

You can't only accept the court's decision as correct when it's aligned with your views, experience and opinions.

[alfaman]

Pints said:

But that, according to the verdict, is not what happened either.

Many, many pages ago I was criticised for claiming that the imagined scenario (as presented by the defence) was a possible or likely one in South Africa.

Now that Masipa has effectively stated that, given South Africa's propensity to violence and crime, the scenario imagined by the defence is plausible. In passing the verdict, she has dismissed the state's version of events (and yours) as untrue.

You can't only accept the court's decision as correct when it's aligned with your views, experience and opinions.

You may be missing a crucial point.

EVEN IF OP thought it was a burglar in the toilet ( which beggars belief) - from his version of events:

- he knew or thought there was someone in the toilet
- he fired 4 shots at the toilet. Deliberately. With precision . 4 times. Using dum dum bullets.
- without warning and without being under threat
The OBVIOUS foreseeable consequences of that deliberate action is that whoever was behind the door would almost certainly die - if intention was a warning shot he would not have pumped 4 into a confined space.
- the above actually does fit the definition of murder in South Africa .

Even the judge IIRC made some comment that consequences were foreseeable....

I actually think based even on defense 'scenario' she got the verdict wrong

Edited by alfaman on Saturday 18th October 07:42

[JuniorD]

The lesson from the whole thing is if you want rid of your missus/hubby in SA, whack them when they're on the bog.

Whereas in the UK, you should just run them over with your car.

[krunchkin]

alfaman said:

Pints said:

But that, according to the verdict, is not what happened either.

Many, many pages ago I was criticised for claiming that the imagined scenario (as presented by the defence) was a possible or likely one in South Africa.

Now that Masipa has effectively stated that, given South Africa's propensity to violence and crime, the scenario imagined by the defence is plausible. In passing the verdict, she has dismissed the state's version of events (and yours) as untrue.

You can't only accept the court's decision as correct when it's aligned with your views, experience and opinions.

You may be missing a crucial point.

EVEN IF OP thought it was a burglar in the toilet ( which beggars belief) - from his version of events:

- he knew or thought there was someone in the toilet
- he fired 4 shots at the toilet. Deliberately. With precision . 4 times. Using dum dum bullets.
- without warning and without being under threat
The OBVIOUS foreseeable consequences of that deliberate action is that whoever was behind the door would almost certainly die - if intention was a warning shot he would not have pumped 4 into a confined space.
- the above actually does fit the definition of murder in South Africa .

Even the judge IIRC made some comment that consequences were foreseeable....

I actually think based even on defense 'scenario' she got the verdict wrong

Edited by alfaman on Saturday 18th October 07:42

precisely this - regardless of who was behind the door, or who he thought was behind the door, (and - come on - we all know he knew it was his girlfriend ) - he pumped a fking hand cannon into it, with a clear intention to kill. And he's going to walk away with community service because jail isn't a nice place. It's a total farce