Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend
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This guy should be put on an electric chair or skinned alive rather than be let off with a soft 6 years sentence which in effect he'll be let out in 3 years.
So this is what they call justice for shooting someone in cold blood. This is a farce.
I really don't give too toots if the guy has 2 stumps for legs, there's no way the courts should have let him off with a softer sentence simply because he was disabled.
He was able enough to fetch a gun and let loose with reckless abandon.
So this is what they call justice for shooting someone in cold blood. This is a farce.
I really don't give too toots if the guy has 2 stumps for legs, there's no way the courts should have let him off with a softer sentence simply because he was disabled.
He was able enough to fetch a gun and let loose with reckless abandon.
The judge says he has expressed regret and remorse, and this is a factor to the sentencing....
Yes. Regrets ruining HIS life, has remorse for losing HIS wealth and fame, regrets ruining HIS career, regrets doing something that lands HIM in trouble. Regrets HIS loss of playboy lifestyle.
I don't believe HIS story for a minute.
Yes. Regrets ruining HIS life, has remorse for losing HIS wealth and fame, regrets ruining HIS career, regrets doing something that lands HIM in trouble. Regrets HIS loss of playboy lifestyle.
I don't believe HIS story for a minute.
Meantime, in a real court with a real judge:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-ea...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-ea...
BBC said:
A mother and her civil partner have been sentenced to life in prison for the murder of her two-year-old son.
Rachel Fee, 31, must spend a minimum of 23-and-a-half years in jail and Nyomi Fee, 29, a minimum of 24 years for the murder and ill-treatment of Liam Fee.
The toddler, who was Rachel Fee's son, died at his home near Glenrothes, Fife, in March 2014.
Rachel Fee, 31, must spend a minimum of 23-and-a-half years in jail and Nyomi Fee, 29, a minimum of 24 years for the murder and ill-treatment of Liam Fee.
The toddler, who was Rachel Fee's son, died at his home near Glenrothes, Fife, in March 2014.
battered said:
No s
t. If I were in his legal team I would right now be dancing with 3 naked girls and a crate of Champagne in a shower. I'd make sure OP wasn't the other side of the door though, just in case.
Given how cock sure you are in your reply, perhaps you should know that "his legal team ... would only act to appeal if prosecutors indicated they wanted to appeal."t. If I were in his legal team I would right now be dancing with 3 naked girls and a crate of Champagne in a shower. I'd make sure OP wasn't the other side of the door though, just in case. And the State has not confirmed yet if it would be appealing the sentence.
SilverSpur said:
The judge says he has expressed regret and remorse, and this is a factor to the sentencing....
Yes. Regrets ruining HIS life, has remorse for losing HIS wealth and fame, regrets ruining HIS career, regrets doing something that lands HIM in trouble. Regrets HIS loss of playboy lifestyle.
I don't believe HIS story for a minute.
This exactly. Yes. Regrets ruining HIS life, has remorse for losing HIS wealth and fame, regrets ruining HIS career, regrets doing something that lands HIM in trouble. Regrets HIS loss of playboy lifestyle.
I don't believe HIS story for a minute.
He has never stopped blaming factors other than himself for what happened.
As such how can he possibly be safe to allow back out into the wider world? I'm no fan of prisons for a lot of reasons but public protection is kinda the whole bloody point and this was neither his first violent offence nor his first firearms misuse…
Bonefish Blues said:
OpulentBob said:
I would rather suck a dripping, rancid cock than go "on holiday" to SA.
I expect that you and OP will shortly be able to correspond wrt your respective experiences in this regard 
I live in India for half the year. I know all about institutional lawlessness (is that a contradiction in terms?), endemic racism, and the "life is so cheap it's worthless" attitude. And IMO, South Africa comes far below India in quality of life stakes.
OpulentBob said:
It just reinforces me view that the place is a backward, lawless sthole. I am happy to go pretty much anywhere else, but I would rather suck a dripping, rancid cock than go "on holiday" to SA.
It isn't though, it really isn't and is far, far better than the dirty Mud Isle we call Britain (no longer 'Great' following the idiotic Brexit result perpetuated by morons and egoistic self-serving Politicians happy to take advantage of the cerebrally-challenged and throw their own Country under the Bus to achieve their personal career goals) thole. I am happy to go pretty much anywhere else, but I would rather suck a dripping, rancid cock than go "on holiday" to SA. 
In my experience, the UK has a huge number of 'backward' folks too
SA has its problems and they are indeed significant but on the whole, the country is a thriving, beautiful place with a diverse and wonderful population.
But your view is very much valid and relevant to you and your own experience, of course. I simply do not share it and call it rubbish.
I know first-hand what violence can be like in SA - I've had to defend my own Family and know the experience of taking a Life. But SA is not all about violence. There is much beauty there too and as a Tourist, violence can be avoided. I don't feel 'safer' in the UK than I do when I go to SA. It might be different if I lived there and had to frequent known violent areas for work again - but that's not indicative of how much of the population live. I'd go back but for my wife wanting to be closer to her kids - so we've agreed to relocate to a warmer European country as a compromise.
Oscar did seem to get off lightly in my opinion given he knew someone would likely die when he fired and perhaps Nel and Co. will seek to correct that.
Had it not been Reeva in the toilet and had it been an intruder, I cannot help but think the sentence would actually have been greater due to no evidence of physical threat being directed towards Oscar. However, the fact it was his girlfriend I think has clouded the basic issue surrounding the taking of a life - remorseful or not.
At the same time, Nel's preference for Murder with intent following an argument was not presented with evidence so the Judge can only work with what is shown to her. She has always found Oscar to be largely believable despite what we all think and hence her sentence; she clearly finds him a victim of sorts too and wants to rehabilitate rather than punish.
There is merit in her thinking too - to rehabilitate - so I do not entirely disagree with her thought process - and far from 'backward' it is in the interest of dealing with a tough situation without adopting an 'eye for an eye' attitude that many 'backward' and 'lawless' Courts might seek - you, know, from the Middle Ages.
OpulentBob said:
It just reinforces me view that the place is a backward, lawless sthole. I am happy to go pretty much anywhere else, but I would rather suck a dripping, rancid cock than go "on holiday" to SA.
Oh it certainly isn't lawless.thole. I am happy to go pretty much anywhere else, but I would rather suck a dripping, rancid cock than go "on holiday" to SA. In fact it has two whole sets of laws. One that applies (loosely) to rich, famous or just plain 'white' people. And the other set of laws for all the other people.
Coolbanana said:
OpulentBob said:
It just reinforces me view that the place is a backward, lawless sthole. I am happy to go pretty much anywhere else, but I would rather suck a dripping, rancid cock than go "on holiday" to SA.
It isn't though, it really isn't and is far, far better than the dirty Mud Isle we call Britain (no longer 'Great' following the idiotic Brexit result perpetuated by morons and egoistic self-serving Politicians happy to take advantage of the cerebrally-challenged and throw their own Country under the Bus to achieve their personal career goals) thole. I am happy to go pretty much anywhere else, but I would rather suck a dripping, rancid cock than go "on holiday" to SA. In my experience, the UK has a huge number of 'backward' folks too
SA has its problems and they are indeed significant but on the whole, the country is a thriving, beautiful place with a diverse and wonderful population.
But your view is very much valid and relevant to you and your own experience, of course. I simply do not share it and call it rubbish.
I know first-hand what violence can be like in SA - I've had to defend my own Family and know the experience of taking a Life. But SA is not all about violence. There is much beauty there too and as a Tourist, violence can be avoided. I don't feel 'safer' in the UK than I do when I go to SA. It might be different if I lived there and had to frequent known violent areas for work again - but that's not indicative of how much of the population live. I'd go back but for my wife wanting to be closer to her kids - so we've agreed to relocate to a warmer European country as a compromise.
Oscar did seem to get off lightly in my opinion given he knew someone would likely die when he fired and perhaps Nel and Co. will seek to correct that.
Had it not been Reeva in the toilet and had it been an intruder, I cannot help but think the sentence would actually have been greater due to no evidence of physical threat being directed towards Oscar. However, the fact it was his girlfriend I think has clouded the basic issue surrounding the taking of a life - remorseful or not.
At the same time, Nel's preference for Murder with intent following an argument was not presented with evidence so the Judge can only work with what is shown to her. She has always found Oscar to be largely believable despite what we all think and hence her sentence; she clearly finds him a victim of sorts too and wants to rehabilitate rather than punish.
There is merit in her thinking too - to rehabilitate - so I do not entirely disagree with her thought process - and far from 'backward' it is in the interest of dealing with a tough situation without adopting an 'eye for an eye' attitude that many 'backward' and 'lawless' Courts might seek - you, know, from the Middle Ages.
Pints said:
battered said:
No st. If I were in his legal team I would right now be dancing with 3 naked girls and a crate of Champagne in a shower. I'd make sure OP wasn't the other side of the door though, just in case.
Given how cock sure you are in your reply, perhaps you should know that "his legal team ... would only act to appeal if prosecutors indicated they wanted to appeal."t. If I were in his legal team I would right now be dancing with 3 naked girls and a crate of Champagne in a shower. I'd make sure OP wasn't the other side of the door though, just in case. And the State has not confirmed yet if it would be appealing the sentence.
Coolbanana said:
At the same time, Nel's preference for Murder with intent following an argument was not presented with evidence so the Judge can only work with what is shown to her. She has always found Oscar to be largely believable despite what we all think and hence her sentence; she clearly finds him a victim of sorts too and wants to rehabilitate rather than punish.
The SA supreme court of appeal found him guilty of murder(dolus eventualis) and I would say they would know more about the law than her.Why was she allowed to re-sentence him?
That seems bizarre to me and a 6 year sentence shows obvious bias.
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