SA to accelerate land redistribution

[Pints]

A step closer to what Zimbabwe became, IMO. And that didn't turn out especially well.

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Willing-buyer-seller-...

[McWigglebum3rd]

I could say what i think but it isn't very PC

[Jasandjules]

This can only end well......

I await the outcries of racism from all quarters, though I shan't hold my breath.

[Happy82]

Wonder if anyone will dare blame this decision for lack of food supplies when the next Africa Aid charity single comes out

[Ozzie Osmond]

See also - the UK "Mansion Tax" thread.

The communists are coming, disguised as labour, liberal, conservative.

Why? Because the politicians have never had a job, never generated any wealth, never done anything. They just want a nice slice of pie...

[Motorrad]

I wonder why my relatives who are wealthy, highly educated doctors, teachers and members of other professions fked off from Cape Town and now live in Australia?

Ah yes it will be quotas and affirmative action BS like this. Either that or the rampant crime that plagues the country- or both.

[whoami]

Jasandjules said:

This can only end well......

[Pints]

Go back a couple of decades amd there were two camps in SA:
1. Get out while you can. This place is going to go to the dogs. Where did I put my passport?
2. Don't worry. We'll not let South Africa go the way of Zimbabwe. You're a traitor if you leave.

Time has shown that the former lot were right.

Rather a "traitor" living in a foreign land, than dead in your own.

[Jasandjules]

whoami said:

Jasandjules said:

This can only end well......

The .... was meant to indicate sarcasm.

[rs1952]

Pints said:

Go back a couple of decades amd there were two camps in SA:
1. Get out while you can. This place is going to go to the dogs. Where did I put my passport?
2. Don't worry. We'll not let South Africa go the way of Zimbabwe. You're a traitor if you leave.

Time has shown that the former lot were right.

Rather a "traitor" living in a foreign land, than dead in your own.

Pints - you should get out more and put the tinfoil hat away

This matter is old news down there because it was being discussed at length when I was in Cape Town in December/ January. The idea behind this is to try to speed up land sales and stop the legal wrangling that has been going on for years - let me give you a f'rinstance:

If I think my house is worth £250k but when you come along and say you want to buy it I say "I want £600k or I'm not budging - I'm not a willing seller until you meet my price" then somebody (somebody is spelt "me" in these circumstances) is being unreasonable. This is the sort of thing that has been going on and what is being proposed is not far away from the compulsory purchase arrangements we have in this country - a third party gets to say what the land is really worth and the sale goes ahead on that basis.

Whilst I have never lived in SA permanently I have found myself spending increasing amounts of time down there in recent years (and not as a holidaymaker but as a semi-resident - just have to leave within three months each time to avoid getting a visa ), so I probably fall into the category of "independent observer." As ever the world over, the correct way forward is straight between the two extreme views, and I think that is what is slowly beginnning to happen down there.

I'm nowhere near as sure as you are that your former category got it right

[davepoth]

rs1952 said:

Pints said:

Go back a couple of decades amd there were two camps in SA:
1. Get out while you can. This place is going to go to the dogs. Where did I put my passport?
2. Don't worry. We'll not let South Africa go the way of Zimbabwe. You're a traitor if you leave.

Time has shown that the former lot were right.

Rather a "traitor" living in a foreign land, than dead in your own.

Pints - you should get out more and put the tinfoil hat away

This matter is old news down there because it was being discussed at length when I was in Cape Town in December/ January. The idea behind this is to try to speed up land sales and stop the legal wrangling that has been going on for years - let me give you a f'rinstance:

If I think my house is worth £250k but when you come along and say you want to buy it I say "I want £600k or I'm not budging - I'm not a willing seller until you meet my price" then somebody (somebody is spelt "me" in these circumstances) is being unreasonable. This is the sort of thing that has been going on and what is being proposed is not far away from the compulsory purchase arrangements we have in this country - a third party gets to say what the land is really worth and the sale goes ahead on that basis.

Whilst I have never lived in SA permanently I have found myself spending increasing amounts of time down there in recent years (and not as a holidaymaker but as a semi-resident - just have to leave within three months each time to avoid getting a visa ), so I probably fall into the category of "independent observer." As ever the world over, the correct way forward is straight between the two extreme views, and I think that is what is slowly beginnning to happen down there.

I'm nowhere near as sure as you are that your former category got it right

So long as the market rate is being paid for the land, it's a better situation than Zimbabwe. The black population of SA were screwed beyond belief by Apartheid, but I'm not convinced this is going to fix it.

[rs1952]

davepoth said:

So long as the market rate is being paid for the land, it's a better situation than Zimbabwe. The black population of SA were screwed beyond belief by Apartheid, but I'm not convinced this is going to fix it.

I don't believe that SA will ever become a second Zimbabwe for a number of reasons that I shan't bore you with there except for the most important:

They are becoming increasingly reliant on China for inward investment. If the Chinese even got the slightest whiff of a suggestion that the SA government were going to shaft them, they'd be out faster than a bat out of hell.

There is already a widely held view in SA that, if you look at Zuma closely, you can see the wires. And the puppeteers live in Beijing

Edited by rs1952 on Thursday 14th February 23:33

[Ozzie Osmond]

davepoth said:

So long as the market rate is being paid for the land, it's a better situation than Zimbabwe. The black population of SA were screwed beyond belief by Apartheid, but I'm not convinced this is going to fix it.

Africa is a disgrace. No wonder the Chinese are moving in while the white man dithers. Africans will wake up one morning and find themselves with the same status as Native Americans or Native Australians. The yellow man will rule Africa. And it's their own stupid fault.

[jayb289]

any of you who thinks or is hoping for sa to go the way of zimbabwe so you can beat your chest and say hey i told you so keep dreaming. fyi take a trip to zimbabwe and you will see the current situation instead of repeating the same played out cliche about the country being ruined, has a zimbabwean ever knocked on your door and asked you for dinner? when all is said and done these countries will rise and those of us in europe and the west in general will be the third world nations one day and future generations will be begging the africans and asians to let them in to get a piece of the pie, same way they are/were flocking here. the shift has already started, go to places like angola and you will see what i mean. probably laughing at what i say but dont worry you probably wont live to see it, as for our grandchildren, well............

[Pints]

rs1952 said:

Appreciate the clarification on this.
However, Zimbabwe didn't go the way they are immediately either.

Having numerous family members back in SA (not to mention friends) who have been victims of crime of a very "New South Africa" sort - you don't need me to spell this out - I think that the former lot were still right to get out. Those who don't agree probably haven't been victims yet.

Yes, this is opinion. But opinion on which I shall not be swayed.