Named and shamed - tax cheats
Discussion
V8mate said:
He owed £29k which was due in the quarter shown. His penalties since have reached a further £17k (is how I'd read it).
Looks like it wouldn't generate that level of turnover never mind profithttp://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=L13+5XE&hl=en&...
voyds9 said:
Looks like it wouldn't generate that level of turnover never mind profit
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=L13+5XE&hl=en&...
Perhaps there is a brothel upstairs.http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=L13+5XE&hl=en&...
Mojooo said:
I'd be very surprised if HMRC were naming and shaming people who had genuine difficulties in paying
after all the list is short and there is probably no shortage of deliberate non payers
Agreed. As you say, these are those after all the list is short and there is probably no shortage of deliberate non payers
i.e. the document clearly states "deliberate tax defaulters" and as such there must surely be more...you have to wonder if these are the longest-running cases which involve significant sums, as there must be more working their way through to the next version.HMRC are sending out "we're going to send a debt collector NOW if you don't respond!" letters to people who have allegedly received tax credit overpayments. Mine go back, ooh, 9 years and 5 months at the least, and can't be chased in court as I have never acknowledged them 
(HMRC cocked up and refused to stop 'paying' the damn things via messed-up tax codes 
) since then.
Times are hard for HMRC (brings tears to a glass eye, it does
) - as they obviously are for UKplc nowadays - so I'm sure it's only a matter of time before my name appears on a public list of "people avoiding repaying tax credit overpayments" somewhere 
...
I don't think plastering alleged tax non-payers' details all over the place will endear HMRC to the general public - it's not like it's an international coffee chain paying a fraction of a percentage point of the tax due in the UK, for pete's sake
!
Perhaps HMRC get army surplus bullets (procurement error), with their employees volunteering to have their feet shot at (maybe to make a pleasant diversion from sticking pins in their eyes
?) - because this looks like potentially shooting themselves in the foot, from comments on this thread...
(HMRC cocked up and refused to stop 'paying' the damn things via messed-up tax codes ) since then.Times are hard for HMRC (brings tears to a glass eye, it does
) - as they obviously are for UKplc nowadays - so I'm sure it's only a matter of time before my name appears on a public list of "people avoiding repaying tax credit overpayments" somewhere ...I don't think plastering alleged tax non-payers' details all over the place will endear HMRC to the general public - it's not like it's an international coffee chain paying a fraction of a percentage point of the tax due in the UK, for pete's sake
! Perhaps HMRC get army surplus bullets (procurement error), with their employees volunteering to have their feet shot at (maybe to make a pleasant diversion from sticking pins in their eyes
?) - because this looks like potentially shooting themselves in the foot, from comments on this thread... That sanctimonious bellend Gauke was on telly spouting all kinds of crap re defaulters/aggressive tax avoiders blah blah blah.
When will HMRC crack down on high-level government 'avoiders' such as harridan Hodge who channel millions through offshore schemes avoiding millions of tax? A typical Tory ploy to deflect public anger away from the rich by showing that they're cracking down on 'aggressive tax avoidance' and 'taking positive steps to recover outstanding tax from those who avoid paying their fair share'
Does this idiot not understand the difference between avoidance and evasion? Or is this just bluff and bluster from a government which has lost the plot economically and now resorts to soundbites from an HMRC mouthpiece in order to attempt to reassure the public that HMRC are on the ball and chasing the baddies?
You decide.
When will HMRC crack down on high-level government 'avoiders' such as harridan Hodge who channel millions through offshore schemes avoiding millions of tax? A typical Tory ploy to deflect public anger away from the rich by showing that they're cracking down on 'aggressive tax avoidance' and 'taking positive steps to recover outstanding tax from those who avoid paying their fair share'
Does this idiot not understand the difference between avoidance and evasion? Or is this just bluff and bluster from a government which has lost the plot economically and now resorts to soundbites from an HMRC mouthpiece in order to attempt to reassure the public that HMRC are on the ball and chasing the baddies?
You decide.
JDRoest said:
---and how does a hairdresser get an assessment of £29k for 1 quarter!!!???? Let alone a penalty of £17k?? Have we lost all sense of proportion? I swear my last haircut in the UK was £10 - are you really telling me that some barber in the UK cuts 2000+ heads of hair a month? So 80 per day??!
Depends if you're not just a hairdresser but dabble in property too. Companies House lists him as being director of 5 companies:Avant Garde Spa Ltd (Dissolved)
Laitak Tyrrell Properties Limited (Dissolved)
Ovalcrown Limited (Dissolved)
Mode Development Ltd (Dissolved)
Tyrrell Electrics Limited
ninja-lewis said:
Depends if you're not just a hairdresser but dabble in property too. Companies House lists him as being director of 5 companies:
Avant Garde Spa Ltd (Dissolved)
Laitak Tyrrell Properties Limited (Dissolved)
Ovalcrown Limited (Dissolved)
Mode Development Ltd (Dissolved)
Tyrrell Electrics Limited
Must be a PHerAvant Garde Spa Ltd (Dissolved)
Laitak Tyrrell Properties Limited (Dissolved)
Ovalcrown Limited (Dissolved)
Mode Development Ltd (Dissolved)
Tyrrell Electrics Limited
What a bunch of
s HMRC are, they are the ones cutting deals with the likes of Vodafone over millions owed in tax yet do this to people over a few k? Why not prosecute them through the available channels?FourWheelDrift said:
Oh hang on these are people who were supposed to pay a certain sum but didn't? Not people who used tax avoidance schemes to not pay the full amount.
IMO, people use tax avoidance schemes so that they only have to pay the "full ammount", the full amount described by law as the lawfully lowest amount of tax you have to pay, anything above that, is above the "full amount" technically, because they haven't sought ways to legally lower their tax liability.We don't know the full circumstances behind any of these situations.
In some cases, the amounts HMRC are trying to collect may not be genuine tax liabilities. If a taxpayer consistently fails to submit the required returns - whether it be Corporation Tax, Income Tax, PAYE, VAT etc), HMRC will estimate the amount they THINK the trader might owe and raise what is called a "Notice of Determination". These amounts can be very large in respect to the size of the client and bear no relationship to the real liabilities that might be due. But if the taxpayer continues to ignore these “Determinations”, HMRC will pursue them for the amounts they have assessed.
Last year, I picked up a new client who was being chased for a Corporation Tax bill of £8,000. This amount had been assessed under a Notice of Determination. When I reviewed the situation the true Corporation Tax liability came to precisely Nil.
HMRC did cancel the Notice - fortunately.
But if the client hadn't engaged my services, they could easily have ended up on such a Name and Shame list.
In some cases, the amounts HMRC are trying to collect may not be genuine tax liabilities. If a taxpayer consistently fails to submit the required returns - whether it be Corporation Tax, Income Tax, PAYE, VAT etc), HMRC will estimate the amount they THINK the trader might owe and raise what is called a "Notice of Determination". These amounts can be very large in respect to the size of the client and bear no relationship to the real liabilities that might be due. But if the taxpayer continues to ignore these “Determinations”, HMRC will pursue them for the amounts they have assessed.
Last year, I picked up a new client who was being chased for a Corporation Tax bill of £8,000. This amount had been assessed under a Notice of Determination. When I reviewed the situation the true Corporation Tax liability came to precisely Nil.
HMRC did cancel the Notice - fortunately.
But if the client hadn't engaged my services, they could easily have ended up on such a Name and Shame list.
As posted above,this could well be a classic case of shooting themselves in the foot....yes,we dont know the full details (of this new 'story' or indeed of the corporate fiddlers) but it still doesn't look good to the man in the street does it? Rich,corporate,Tory's 'get away' with it....average Joe gets nailed....
HMRC obviously trying to send a message of pay up or else but only it would seem to the easier targets.
Just saying....
HMRC obviously trying to send a message of pay up or else but only it would seem to the easier targets.
Just saying....
carreauchompeur said:
What a bizarre thing to do. Seems to me that it's more of an "Accidental random leak" than an actual release, the examples are completely bizarre.
My sentiments exactly.Currently there must be thousands and thousands od people who havent paid the Inland Revenue monthly tax bills. A company starts struggling it pays its employees and its suppliers and teh Inland Revenue last, in my experience.
TO single out 7 or 8 irrelevantly is tantamount to bullying. Either print all of them or none of them.
Further, I have seen the phrase "tax cheats" everywhere with regards to this, and there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that it is cheats at all. The fact that there is a debt there suggests that it is more of an above board inability to pay.
blindswelledrat said:
Further, I have seen the phrase "tax cheats" everywhere with regards to this, and there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that it is cheats at all. The fact that there is a debt there suggests that it is more of an above board inability to pay.
We've discussed this^. The document uses the word 'deliberate' in reference to the defaulters. That suggests quite the opposite.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff