George Galloway being a cocksocket again

George Galloway being a cocksocket again

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franki68

10,330 posts

220 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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I think it's very stupid for anyone to think all anti zionists are anti Semitic ,likewise I think it very stupid for anyone to think that all anti zionists aren't anti Semitic.

rohrl

8,712 posts

144 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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franki68 said:
I think it's very stupid for anyone to think all anti zionists are anti Semitic ,likewise I think it very stupid for anyone to think that all anti zionists aren't anti Semitic.
You could replace anti-zionist with hang-glider or lawnmower mechanic though. No one puts any effort into pushing the line that hang-gliders are all anti-semites though.

AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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Sprouts said:
No they don't have the same rights at all. Also, Israeli jews are the most openly racist creatures you could meet, not just with the Palestinians / Arab Israelis but with any non jews, like my good self. The amount of times I've been asked " why are you here? You're not jewish " is too numerous to mention.

I think Galloway wasn't told the bloke was Israeli, and he knows only too well that trying to debate with them is like banging your head on a brick wall. You will not get anywhere with the arrogant, racist pricks.

And that's me done on this subject.
By saying it's not racist to dismiss an entire nation as being beneath engaging with because they're arrogant, racist pricks? Isn't that like saying it's not racist to dislike black people because you think they're all lazy criminals? Or to dislike Indians because you think they're all dishonest money grabbers?

However much it may tally with your own perceptions and experience it's a foolish attitude that precludes any useful debate and accentuates division.

SMGB

790 posts

138 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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Hi is a comitted Arabist isnt he, Israel declines to be eliminated, and I can see that, so just refusing to talk to them isnt goig to move things forward. I dont think this gesture was aimed at the audience in that hall however.
edit, spolling as ever

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

254 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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SMGB said:
Hi is a comitted Arabist isnt he, Israel declines to be eliminated, and I can see that, so just refuding to talk to them isnt goig to move things forward. I dont think this gesture was aimed at the audience in that hall however.
I think his argument boils down to this.

http://youtu.be/XuY5nc47cd4

This is why he is on the Arabs side, and not the Israeli side.

franki68

10,330 posts

220 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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rohrl said:
You could replace anti-zionist with hang-glider or lawnmower mechanic though. No one puts any effort into pushing the line that hang-gliders are all anti-semites though.
You could replace many words with other words ,your comment is meaningless ,

Derek Smith

45,514 posts

247 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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iphonedyou said:
I also disagree with this.
It is, of course, your right to do so.

franki68

10,330 posts

220 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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TheHeretic said:
I think his argument boils down to this.

http://youtu.be/XuY5nc47cd4

This is why he is on the Arabs side, and not the Israeli side.
Because he had a talk show where he could slaughter those who didn't know what they were talking about ,and hang up on those who did ? wink

His point is that ajew should not have the right to return to a place where they were kicked out of and is holy to them , but that right which he denies to jews should be given to 'Palestinians' a substantial proportion of which have virtually no association with what is now Israel having been immigrantsorchildren of immigrants themselves? (see immigration figures into the west bank for example after 1967)

Zanier muhsain former PLO executive member
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism."

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

254 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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franki68 said:
Because he had a talk show where he could slaughter those who didn't know what they were talking about ,and hang up on those who did ? wink

His point is that ajew should not have the right to return to a place where they were kicked out of and is holy to them , but that right which he denies to jews should be given to 'Palestinians' a substantial proportion of which have virtually no association with what is now Israel having been immigrantsorchildren of immigrants themselves? (see immigration figures into the west bank for example after 1967)

Zanier muhsain former PLO executive member
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism."
Just saying what I think his position is. I realise you may be a bit more nutty on this subject than I. As for that chap you quote, I'm quite sure I could counter that with a state,net from some other PLO member. Is the Middle East problem going to be solved with spokesperson top trumps?

Sprouts

865 posts

188 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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TheHeretic said:
I think his argument boils down to this.

http://youtu.be/XuY5nc47cd4


This is why he is on the Arabs side, and not the Israeli side.
Exactly


obob

4,193 posts

193 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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TheHeretic said:
franki68 said:
Because he had a talk show where he could slaughter those who didn't know what they were talking about ,and hang up on those who did ? wink

His point is that ajew should not have the right to return to a place where they were kicked out of and is holy to them , but that right which he denies to jews should be given to 'Palestinians' a substantial proportion of which have virtually no association with what is now Israel having been immigrantsorchildren of immigrants themselves? (see immigration figures into the west bank for example after 1967)

Zanier muhsain former PLO executive member
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism."
Just saying what I think his position is. I realise you may be a bit more nutty on this subject than I. As for that chap you quote, I'm quite sure I could counter that with a state,net from some other PLO member. Is the Middle East problem going to be solved with spokesperson top trumps?
Don't forget the best argument that people on this forum like to trot out, there is no letter p in the arab alphabet, so it is fine to dispel these people from their land. Ethnic cleansing is OK as there is no letter P!!!!!



rohrl

8,712 posts

144 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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franki68 said:
rohrl said:
You could replace anti-zionist with hang-glider or lawnmower mechanic though. No one puts any effort into pushing the line that hang-gliders are all anti-semites though.
You could replace many words with other words ,your comment is meaningless ,
It isn't meaningless. It may require some thought though.

SMGB

790 posts

138 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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TheHeretic said:
SMGB said:
Hi is a comitted Arabist isnt he, Israel declines to be eliminated, and I can see that, so just refuding to talk to them isnt goig to move things forward. I dont think this gesture was aimed at the audience in that hall however.
I think his argument boils down to this.

http://youtu.be/XuY5nc47cd4

This is why he is on the Arabs side, and not the Israeli side.
Didnt click, I dont feel the Medja help here. Provokimg a response to get some "good footage" stinks on all sides IMHO. The region could be an economis power house and I wonder if the violennce blocking it helps keep some proffesionl ideaologues in post.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

254 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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SMGB said:
Didnt click, I dont feel the Medja help here. Provokimg a response to get some "good footage" stinks on all sides IMHO. The region could be an economis power house and I wonder if the violennce blocking it helps keep some proffesionl ideaologues in post.
Didn't click? Well, that's a bit like walking out of a debate, really. How do you know what is contained therein, and what arguments are put forward?

Alex

9,975 posts

283 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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Times leader: "It was not Mr. Galloway's departure that made fruitful discussion impossible. It was his arrival."

MX7

7,902 posts

173 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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We could talk about declining to debate purely because of someone's nationality.

We could talk about Israel's creation, their right to exist, hummus, and their decades old conflict with the Arabs. How refreshing. sleep

The Don of Croy

5,976 posts

158 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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Galloway commented in the Indie article that the organisers should write to him c/o the PLO to canvass opinion.

But the PLO don't seem to have much representation in Palestine any more, do they?

What am I missing? Or is Georgeous George shooting from the lip again? Shirley he should have mentioned Hamas or Fatah who actually do hold political office through dint of votes cast. But not the PLO who are thin on the ground.

I only mention it because (people like) Galloway are wont to quote 'electoral' backing when it suits them. The man is a cynical media manipulator who remains 100% committed to the cause - being George Galloway and little else.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

254 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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MX7 said:
We could talk about declining to debate purely because of someone's nationality.

We could talk about Israel's creation, their right to exist, hummus, and their decades old conflict with the Arabs. How refreshing. sleep
And you did a sterling job steering the discussion one way or the other. rolleyes

MX7

7,902 posts

173 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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TheHeretic said:
And you did a sterling job steering the discussion one way or the other. rolleyes
What?

I know where you'd like this to head, and I find it a tedious as fk. I think what he said deserves slightly more than the usual Arab/Israel threads that all seem to disappear down exactly the same drain.

Would GG refuse to speak to an Israeli Arab? I suspect not.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

254 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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MX7 said:
What?

I know where you'd like this to head, and I find it a tedious as fk. I think what he said deserves slightly more than the usual Arab/Israel threads that all seem to disappear down exactly the same drain.

Would GG refuse to speak to an Israeli Arab? I suspect not.
Where I would like it to head? Excuse me, if you want to accuse me of something, do so. Otherwise, take your underhand implications elsewhere.