McCanns - man who accused them gets jail sentence
Discussion
Breadvan72 said:
..As for 'Big Boys' getting to the Sacred Thread, the only Big Boys on PH are the Mods.
The same Big Boys who said no-one had reported the thread in the 3 months prior till you did?Tell me something - do you know what percentage of the McCann's resources have so far been allocated to looking for the girl and to litigation?
Do you find their story credible, or Oscar's, or Dewani's, or Huhne's? For me something does not add up, and so I am curious and therefore happy to read other people's interpretation. There was one particularly nasty comment on the McCann thread (& should have been deleted), but if you look hard enough these comments are elsewhere too. Only the McCanns get shielded from the press now, why is that? Closing down threads in not healthy.
Serious questions for me, love to hear your views.
singlecoil said:
..In any case, nmost of the posters here don't hold an opposing position, nor are they putting forward malign nonsense, they just want to hear the McCanns make an effort to answer some of the questions they've been carefully avoiding.
As a careful review of the "suspended" thread will reveal.Breadvan72 said:
Singlecoil, ridicule is appropriate when dealing with the ridiculous.
That's the excuse that Zod relies on too.
The problem for both of you is that in this case, your remarks have to be directed at those who are very much in the "McCanns definitely did it" camp, whereas you have nothing at all to say to those people who believe nothing more than that the McCans know more than they are saying, and it's the latter who are in the vast majority.
Breadvan72 said:
Any Prime Minister hearing of any widely reported child disappearance case is likely to say a few words about the case. Cameron makes comments supportive of the victims of Savile - does that mean they are in a conspiracy with the Establishment to mask the fact that they abused themselves and are blaming some poor old kind hearted dead bloke? Gordon Brown is also, despite his great faults, a human being, who lost a child to illness. He might just feel some sympathy for parents who had a child go missing.
Very nice - but you've avoided the facts, and avoided my question.Gordon Brown didn't just say a few words on TV, he did so after holding a number of personal telephone calls with Gerry McCann.
Are you suggesting that if I left my disabled daughter by herself and she went missing that David Cameron would support me publicly and grant me telephone calls when I like because she is disabled, and he had a disabled son, or because his son died?
Or would you agree that usually Prime Ministers do not offer public support for every child and speak to the parents of every child that goes missing?
Or do you think that Clarence Mitchell, the official, salaried 'McCann family spokesman' was previously the Director of the Media Monitoring Unit at the Central Office of Information for the Labour government. A 'spin doctor' for short. Nice connection to 'pick up' on the payroll from the 'Fund'
Getragdogleg said:
Yes, sorry, I forgot the clean-up team had been called to this aisle too.
- and that thread was on this forum 10 minutes ago and seemed to have gone 5 minutes ago? 
(Other posters have alluded to this phenomenon; clearly the clean-up team have a few clumsy customers in their public facing interface at the mo, dropping all sorts of unwelcome stuff that others might trip or fall over or slip on...
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Colonial said:
Is it bad that I just don't give a s
t anymore?
It's just a circus. No matter the outcome people with no attachment to the case have invested far too much ego and emotional involvement to ever give up.
It's just sad.
What, Pistonheads?t anymore? It's just a circus. No matter the outcome people with no attachment to the case have invested far too much ego and emotional involvement to ever give up.
It's just sad.
I'm not savvy enough to post a pictoral ironic internet meme to illustrate this, however, for someone who has invested enough time to write 9000 messages on the internet, the very large majority about other people's issues, each of which you wanted to supply a two-penneth (or more if you felt like it no doubt), I couldn't fail to see the irony!
Colonial said:
Is it bad that I just don't give a st anymore?
Not bad at all. There's masses of threads on PH and elsewhere that I don't give a st anymore? t about. Do you know what I do about them? The others will have guessed already, but I will spell it out for you-I don't f
king post on them!People are free to ask questions about what happened, but the parents of the missing girl have no obligation to answer them. They bear no burden of proof. Those who allege that the parents were in some way complicit in the disappearance of their daughter bear a heavy burden of proof.
Mermaid, I'm not here to answer your questions, even if I knew the answers. I am not even very interested in the case. It's a sad story, and I feel sorry for the girl's family and their friends. I find it mildly interesting to witness the pathology of the internet obsessives, but only mildly interesting.
The Mods decide whether or not the PH site rules have been broken. They don't, I assume, read every word of every thread. If one member of this free club suggests to the Mods that another member or members appears or appear to be disregarding the rules of the club, that we all agreed to when we took up our free membership, then the Mods can take a view on whether that suggestion is valid or not valid. The Mods make the decision, and no one else. This site is made available to us free of charge, and the Mods give up their time to moderate it, applying a light touch. The site asks us all to keep to some very simple rules. Membership here is optional, but conditional on observing those simple rules. If you are troubled by a decision made by the Mods, query it with them, but bear in mind that, at the end of the day, it's their place, and they decide what is acceptable and what is not.
Mermaid, I'm not here to answer your questions, even if I knew the answers. I am not even very interested in the case. It's a sad story, and I feel sorry for the girl's family and their friends. I find it mildly interesting to witness the pathology of the internet obsessives, but only mildly interesting.
The Mods decide whether or not the PH site rules have been broken. They don't, I assume, read every word of every thread. If one member of this free club suggests to the Mods that another member or members appears or appear to be disregarding the rules of the club, that we all agreed to when we took up our free membership, then the Mods can take a view on whether that suggestion is valid or not valid. The Mods make the decision, and no one else. This site is made available to us free of charge, and the Mods give up their time to moderate it, applying a light touch. The site asks us all to keep to some very simple rules. Membership here is optional, but conditional on observing those simple rules. If you are troubled by a decision made by the Mods, query it with them, but bear in mind that, at the end of the day, it's their place, and they decide what is acceptable and what is not.
The Spruce goose said:
it is amazing how much time is dedicated to 1 girl, when girls are being abused/taken/missing daily in this country. Why don't the internet detectives work on lesser know media disappearances.
https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/u182co18/appeals
why not start here and instead of dragging on about some middle-class white girl, look at helping others out there less fortunate that a double doctors daughter.
I don't know if there is an epidemic of daily child theft, but there is a fair bit of child abuse, and note also the widespread trafficking of girls and women for the purposes of enforced prostitution, going on in the UK as we speak. None of that will stop some people forever worrying over some perceived discrepancy in some witness statement made through an interpreter by someone who had probably drunk a bunch of Mojitos before anyone told them that something was up, but who is now expected to have perfect recall, failing which he or she must be part of a conspiracy, cover up, whatever. https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/u182co18/appeals
why not start here and instead of dragging on about some middle-class white girl, look at helping others out there less fortunate that a double doctors daughter.
Breadvan, you're not in court now, you're not trying to convince a jury your client is innocent. Why are the Mccanns any less likely to cover something up than the Philpotts? If anything, they have more to lose. You don,t know any more than the rest of us but if history has shown us anything it's that people will do crazy things when under pressure. Maybe they were involved, maybe they weren't, perhaps one day we'll find an answer.
Luckily, I don't do crime or juries (save very rarely in civil claims), although, if you think that a defence advocate has to convince a jury that his or her client is innocent, then you have a mistaken understanding of how stuff works. I think that others who think that the McCanns have to prove something may be under a similar misapprehension.
10 Pence Short said:
Take a read of the judgment in this case. Thy guy apologised in writing and gave undertakings not to continue what he was doing, then carried on regardless. He deserves everything he gets.
10PS, that won't do. You are suggesting that people take a moment to inform themselves before they let rip with their opinions. Shocking idea. (Cue 97 pages of 'you can't have an opinion about Maddie unless you have read all 800,000 pages of my vanity-published thesis on the case, AND all the footnotes.')
Laugh all you like, but it's true. What slightly piques my interest are the weird internet phenomena associated with the case. No doubt someone somewhere is currently writing a PhD thesis on those phenomena, so at least they generate some fees for a university, and a potential career for a researcher or two. There's always an upside.
Breadvan72 said:
10PS, that won't do. You are suggesting that people take a moment to inform themselves before they let rip with their opinions. Shocking idea.
(Cue 97 pages of 'you can't have an opinion about Maddie unless you have read all 800,000 pages of my vanity-published thesis on the case, AND all the footnotes.')
I was looking for something else entirely on Bailii the other day and happened across the judgment (ok, ok, I was hunting for Maddie...). I thought to myself that guy sounds like he's incredibly obsessed and that, despite his rights of expression, he had crossed the line against the McCanns. It also made me wonder whether there was any connection with the thread on here being tidied out the way and the internet forum elements of this case, though I wasn't bothered enough to check dates and see if I was right.(Cue 97 pages of 'you can't have an opinion about Maddie unless you have read all 800,000 pages of my vanity-published thesis on the case, AND all the footnotes.')
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