Disabled children

[Fat Fairy]

Jasandjules said:

Inkyfingers said:

His comment was abhorrent and idiotic, but I do worry that we are rapidly reaching a situation where it's now going to be impossible for anybody in a position of power to utter an opinion that even remotely varies from what is politically correct.

So (Godwin here I come) Hitler was right then? Because I am pretty sure that we fought a war to stop such madness.

Just to keep things balanced, I'm going to mention that bastion of Social Democracy - Sweden; Eugenics and 1975!

FF

[Eric Mc]

Absolutely - the Nazis are not unique in holding abhorrent views AND putting them into practice.

[Anonamoose]

My younger brother is disabled. At 2 years old my parents were told he would never talk, walk or be anything remotely normal.

He is 17 now and while still has a lower mental age than a non SEN child he can walk, talk, and generally lead a decent life. Like the poster earlier he was starved of oxygen at birth so never asked for this. Also very few SEN children get properl1-1 teachers especially in SEN schools. In my brothers case the school got the budget for 1-1 teaching but never provided it despite my parents arguing endlessly with them.

[anonymous-user]

Jasandjules said:

Inkyfingers said:

His comment was abhorrent and idiotic, but I do worry that we are rapidly reaching a situation where it's now going to be impossible for anybody in a position of power to utter an opinion that even remotely varies from what is politically correct.

So (Godwin here I come) Hitler was right then? Because I am pretty sure that we fought a war to stop such madness.

Do we really advocate the termition of the disabled!?!?

Hear, hear, JandJ, well said.

[elster]

Did anyone actually read why he made the comments?

If anyone believes he thinks that, then the nation is truly buggered.

[singlecoil]

I agree that he should not have said what he said, but I do think he had a right to say it. Freedom of speech is an important concept, and one that hsould be adhered to.

[Ozzie Osmond]

singlecoil said:

I agree that he should not have said what he said, but I do think he had a right to say it. Freedom of speech is an important concept, and one that hsould be adhered to.

Wet, wet, wet.

If you ever read what's written on PH and elswhere you'd know there is an obvious distinction to be drawn between freedom of speech and insulting behaviour.

[anonymous-user]

The tt is free to say ttty things, and we are free to say that he is a tt because he says ttty things. Objecting to someone talking hateful nonsense is not an inhibition on free speech.

[singlecoil]

Ozzie Osmond said:

singlecoil said:

I agree that he should not have said what he said, but I do think he had a right to say it. Freedom of speech is an important concept, and one that hsould be adhered to.

Wet, wet, wet.

If you ever read what's written on PH and elswhere you'd know there is an obvious distinction to be drawn between freedom of speech and insulting behaviour.

Silly, silly, silly

I'll point the problem out to you. The problem is, who decides where to draw the line?

[Odie]

singlecoil said:

I agree that he should not have said what he said, but I do think he had a right to say it. Freedom of speech is an important concept, and one that hsould be adhered to.

Agreed,

He should put himself down.. Thats my right to freedom of speech exercised.

[mattnunn]

singlecoil said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

singlecoil said:

I agree that he should not have said what he said, but I do think he had a right to say it. Freedom of speech is an important concept, and one that hsould be adhered to.

Wet, wet, wet.

If you ever read what's written on PH and elswhere you'd know there is an obvious distinction to be drawn between freedom of speech and insulting behaviour.

Silly, silly, silly

I'll point the problem out to you. The problem is, who decides where to draw the line?

Me, I'll decide, I shall be the planets moderator, all communication must go through me and if i think you're a witless, gormless gobste you will be silenced.

Ok? Logically if you disagree it's becuase I would silence you and you're accepting of the fact you're a witless gormless gobste.

[elster]

singlecoil said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

singlecoil said:

I agree that he should not have said what he said, but I do think he had a right to say it. Freedom of speech is an important concept, and one that hsould be adhered to.

Wet, wet, wet.

If you ever read what's written on PH and elswhere you'd know there is an obvious distinction to be drawn between freedom of speech and insulting behaviour.

Silly, silly, silly

I'll point the problem out to you. The problem is, who decides where to draw the line?

The people who elected him are the only ones. They are well within their rights to petition him to resign.

But the reality is:



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Sorry but the image evades the sites swear filter.

Edited by Big Al. on Wednesday 27th February 22:56

[singlecoil]

Odie said:

singlecoil said:

I agree that he should not have said what he said, but I do think he had a right to say it. Freedom of speech is an important concept, and one that hsould be adhered to.

Agreed,

He should put himself down.. Thats my right to freedom of speech exercised.

I've no argument with that, my argument is with people actually being prevented from saying what they think. What he said was obviously compeltely OTT, but supposing it had been something less blatant? For instance, what if had simply complained about the cost without offering the solution, would that be OK?

[mattnunn]

elster said:

Says the man who went into hiding because someone called him a name on twitter. Giant homo.

[NWTony]

mattnunn said:

Me, I'll decide, I shall be the planets moderator, all communication must go through me and if i think you're a witless, gormless gobste you will be silenced.

Ok? Logically if you disagree it's becuase I would silence you and you're accepting of the fact you're a witless gormless gobste.

Logically it's nothing of the sort. You don't understand logic. As evidenced by your comments elsewhere as well as above.

[BlackVanDyke]

Political incorrectness is a lack of manners. This is advocating murder.

Bit of a difference, there.

[BlackVanDyke]

mattnunn said:

elster said:

Says the man who went into hiding because someone called him a name on twitter. Giant homo.

...yes, Stephen Fry is indeed a large, gay man. Your point?

[Centurion07]

Funnily enough I was thinking about this today, well, not exactly, but about the subject of how much public money is spent on certain things. I'll explain...

I'm a taxi driver and I work for a firm that has a few school runs, as do most other firms. Yesterday I did a run for the first time, that involved picking up a council-employed escort, then one child, and taking them home from school.

The total distance for this run from picking up the escort, picking the kid up, dropping him off and then dropping the escort off was around 80-ish miles for which I, as the driver, was paid £55 by the council via my firm. Add on the escort's wages plus any "commission" my firm take and this one child costs the county council nigh on £150 A DAY just to get to and from school.

This particular run is by no means a special case either. As I don't have my own run I tend to end up covering other runs when drivers are sick/cars are being fixed etc so I see quite a few of these. I covered a run a couple of weeks ago that was £50 each way for one child and I have heard of others that are even more money.

I don't have any solution to it but you have to admit that £150 every day for one child is ludicrous isn't it? Or is it just me?

[BlackVanDyke]

Centurion07 said:

Funnily enough I was thinking about this today, well, not exactly, but about the subject of how much public money is spent on certain things. I'll explain...

I'm a taxi driver and I work for a firm that has a few school runs, as do most other firms. Yesterday I did a run for the first time, that involved picking up a council-employed escort, then one child, and taking them home from school.

The total distance for this run from picking up the escort, picking the kid up, dropping him off and then dropping the escort off was around 80-ish miles for which I, as the driver, was paid £55 by the council via my firm. Add on the escort's wages plus any "commission" my firm take and this one child costs the county council nigh on £150 A DAY just to get to and from school.

This particular run is by no means a special case either. As I don't have my own run I tend to end up covering other runs when drivers are sick/cars are being fixed etc so I see quite a few of these. I covered a run a couple of weeks ago that was £50 each way for one child and I have heard of others that are even more money.

I don't have any solution to it but you have to admit that £150 every day for one child is ludicrous isn't it? Or is it just me?

It is ludicrous, although if there's no other choice then I think not unreasonable - children need to go to school, no matter what it takes to get them there. We can somewhat fix it by putting in place the support for children to go to their neighbourhood school as much as possible - then mum and dad can take them - and then by outfitting a few neighbourhood schools with units for those kids who really can't go to the local school that easily, to minimise the distance and time it takes to get them there.

[elster]

BlackVanDyke said:

Political incorrectness is a lack of manners. This is advocating murder.

Bit of a difference, there.

Not really it is your interpretation, also cherry picking a single comment from a conversation is hard to tell the context.

At no point does he say he literally wanted to do it.