Disabled children

[mattnunn]

BlackVanDyke said:

BliarOut said:

mattnunn said:

Hooli said:

I can't argue with any of that. It'd be nice if doctors could get things right occasionally.

I still feel it's cruel to keep some people alive just because we can, not because it's whats best for them.

It's in no ones best interests to die, ever.

Someone with better knowledge of the subject disagrees with you...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/94920...

I'm with mattnunn on this one. You can't improve anything once you're dead.

I don't think there's much wrong with my knowledge of the subject, and I disagree with Nicklinson, a lot. He was experiencing huge mental health problems which he refused assessment and treatment for, he spent his days incredibly isolated and without access to assistive tech which would have improved or resolved many of the things he cited as intolerable in his life. I regret his suicide, because there was so much that could have been better in his world and instead he left it believing the opposite.

He died of a lung infection in the end didn't he? Anyway I agree, his case wasn't about his wish to die, rather his wish to get someone to kill him, which isn't quite the same but neither would have been in his best interest.

I wish I had a mountain of money to spend on cars, coke and hookers - it wouldn't be in my best interest though.

[BlackVanDyke]

mattnunn said:

BlackVanDyke said:

BliarOut said:

mattnunn said:

Hooli said:

I can't argue with any of that. It'd be nice if doctors could get things right occasionally.

I still feel it's cruel to keep some people alive just because we can, not because it's whats best for them.

It's in no ones best interests to die, ever.

Someone with better knowledge of the subject disagrees with you...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/94920...

I'm with mattnunn on this one. You can't improve anything once you're dead.

I don't think there's much wrong with my knowledge of the subject, and I disagree with Nicklinson, a lot. He was experiencing huge mental health problems which he refused assessment and treatment for, he spent his days incredibly isolated and without access to assistive tech which would have improved or resolved many of the things he cited as intolerable in his life. I regret his suicide, because there was so much that could have been better in his world and instead he left it believing the opposite.

He died of a lung infection in the end didn't he? Anyway I agree, his case wasn't about his wish to die, rather his wish to get someone to kill him, which isn't quite the same but neither would have been in his best interest.

I wish I had a mountain of money to spend on cars, coke and hookers - it wouldn't be in my best interest though.

He stopped eating and refused all treatment - most people that starve themselves will die of pneumonia rather than starvation itself.

[singlecoil]

mattnunn said:

He died of a lung infection in the end didn't he? Anyway I agree, his case wasn't about his wish to die, rather his wish to get someone to kill him, which isn't quite the same but neither would have been in his best interest.

I wish I had a mountain of money to spend on cars, coke and hookers - it wouldn't be in my best interest though.

I must say that I find your assumption that an adult person should not be allowed to decide for himself what is in his best interests quite disturbing.

[BliarOut]

BlackVanDyke said:

BliarOut said:

mattnunn said:

Hooli said:

I can't argue with any of that. It'd be nice if doctors could get things right occasionally.

I still feel it's cruel to keep some people alive just because we can, not because it's whats best for them.

It's in no ones best interests to die, ever.

Someone with better knowledge of the subject disagrees with you...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/94920...

I'm with mattnunn on this one. You can't improve anything once you're dead.

I don't think there's much wrong with my knowledge of the subject, and I disagree with Nicklinson, a lot. He was experiencing huge mental health problems which he refused assessment and treatment for, he spent his days incredibly isolated and without access to assistive tech which would have improved or resolved many of the things he cited as intolerable in his life. I regret his suicide, because there was so much that could have been better in his world and instead he left it believing the opposite.

He obviously didn't think so...

If he wants to die and lacks the necessary functions to take his own life who are we to prolong his suffering?

You may be happy with your quality of life, he obviously wasn't so decided to take the only course left to him.

For some, death is the prize.

[BlackVanDyke]

BliarOut said:

BlackVanDyke said:

BliarOut said:

mattnunn said:

Hooli said:

I can't argue with any of that. It'd be nice if doctors could get things right occasionally.

I still feel it's cruel to keep some people alive just because we can, not because it's whats best for them.

It's in no ones best interests to die, ever.

Someone with better knowledge of the subject disagrees with you...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/94920...

I'm with mattnunn on this one. You can't improve anything once you're dead.

I don't think there's much wrong with my knowledge of the subject, and I disagree with Nicklinson, a lot. He was experiencing huge mental health problems which he refused assessment and treatment for, he spent his days incredibly isolated and without access to assistive tech which would have improved or resolved many of the things he cited as intolerable in his life. I regret his suicide, because there was so much that could have been better in his world and instead he left it believing the opposite.

He obviously didn't think so...

If he wants to die and lacks the necessary functions to take his own life who are we to prolong his suffering?

You may be happy with your quality of life, he obviously wasn't so decided to take the only course left to him.

For some, death is the prize.

He did take his own life.

[mattnunn]

singlecoil said:

mattnunn said:

He died of a lung infection in the end didn't he? Anyway I agree, his case wasn't about his wish to die, rather his wish to get someone to kill him, which isn't quite the same but neither would have been in his best interest.

I wish I had a mountain of money to spend on cars, coke and hookers - it wouldn't be in my best interest though.

I must say that I find your assumption that an adult person should not be allowed to decide for himself what is in his best interests quite disturbing.

I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to top themselves or that they can't have an opinion on what's best for them, I'm just saying as a point of fact being dead never did anyone any good.

[singlecoil]

mattnunn said:

singlecoil said:

mattnunn said:

He died of a lung infection in the end didn't he? Anyway I agree, his case wasn't about his wish to die, rather his wish to get someone to kill him, which isn't quite the same but neither would have been in his best interest.

I wish I had a mountain of money to spend on cars, coke and hookers - it wouldn't be in my best interest though.

I must say that I find your assumption that an adult person should not be allowed to decide for himself what is in his best interests quite disturbing.

I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to top themselves or that they can't have an opinion on what's best for them, I'm just saying as a point of fact being dead never did anyone any good.

I hear what you are saying, and on the face of it it makes sense. However, there will be situations where it simply isn't true. We've already had one example, but there are others. Many times it will be people whose lives are intolerable, but it could be someone who has given up his or her life to benefit others.