Is it any wonder so many Kids are out of work
Discussion
einsign said:
Apprenticeships and hands on practical training programs are VITAL for our countries future.
Certificates and theoretical qualifications are not. I have no comprehension of how a university degree provides any value to the majority of real world job positions, or why people are brain washed into thinking it is?
It also helps if youngsters are trained in shaving (removing bum fluff), washing, combing hair, ironing a shirt, having good manors, walking tall and looking at the people who are trying to have a conversation with you, and primarily being able to speak English fluently and clearly!!
Spent this morning with the Young Enterprise team I'm advising doing their first market day i.e. trying to sell to the real public. Certificates and theoretical qualifications are not. I have no comprehension of how a university degree provides any value to the majority of real world job positions, or why people are brain washed into thinking it is?
It also helps if youngsters are trained in shaving (removing bum fluff), washing, combing hair, ironing a shirt, having good manors, walking tall and looking at the people who are trying to have a conversation with you, and primarily being able to speak English fluently and clearly!!
It was a delight to see them manage all of the above and much more. They take a bit of pushing sometimes but it's amazing what a group of 16-17 year olds can achieve with a little nudge in the right direction. Blimey in a few years they might the running the country
Seriously, but sadly I agree that the education system doesn't do a great job of preparing them for the real world so it's great to see folks like the OP trying to make a difference.
Kermit power said:
A cynic might say that you're in the best possible position here!
If you train people up and give them a solid qualification, many of them will then fairly rapidly trundle off in search of better pay at another employer, and said employers will happily offer them the incentives, as it avoids them having to pay to train people up.
If, on the other hand, you train people up to generate wealth for your company whilst having a good career themselves in the process, yet it doesn't actually give them any sort of marketable qualification, they're more likely to stay working for you?
Business management cliche quote - "What happens if we train our staff and they leave?"If you train people up and give them a solid qualification, many of them will then fairly rapidly trundle off in search of better pay at another employer, and said employers will happily offer them the incentives, as it avoids them having to pay to train people up.
If, on the other hand, you train people up to generate wealth for your company whilst having a good career themselves in the process, yet it doesn't actually give them any sort of marketable qualification, they're more likely to stay working for you?
Response - “what happens if we don’t train our staff and they stay?”
GadgeS3C said:
Kermit power said:
A cynic might say that you're in the best possible position here!
If you train people up and give them a solid qualification, many of them will then fairly rapidly trundle off in search of better pay at another employer, and said employers will happily offer them the incentives, as it avoids them having to pay to train people up.
If, on the other hand, you train people up to generate wealth for your company whilst having a good career themselves in the process, yet it doesn't actually give them any sort of marketable qualification, they're more likely to stay working for you?
Business management cliche quote - "What happens if we train our staff and they leave?"If you train people up and give them a solid qualification, many of them will then fairly rapidly trundle off in search of better pay at another employer, and said employers will happily offer them the incentives, as it avoids them having to pay to train people up.
If, on the other hand, you train people up to generate wealth for your company whilst having a good career themselves in the process, yet it doesn't actually give them any sort of marketable qualification, they're more likely to stay working for you?
Response - “what happens if we don’t train our staff and they stay?”
His staff are going to need experience on their CVs before they can move on, thus reducing the risk of the cliché (which is a cliché for a reason!), and avoiding the response.
Kermit power said:
GadgeS3C said:
Kermit power said:
A cynic might say that you're in the best possible position here!
If you train people up and give them a solid qualification, many of them will then fairly rapidly trundle off in search of better pay at another employer, and said employers will happily offer them the incentives, as it avoids them having to pay to train people up.
If, on the other hand, you train people up to generate wealth for your company whilst having a good career themselves in the process, yet it doesn't actually give them any sort of marketable qualification, they're more likely to stay working for you?
Business management cliche quote - "What happens if we train our staff and they leave?"If you train people up and give them a solid qualification, many of them will then fairly rapidly trundle off in search of better pay at another employer, and said employers will happily offer them the incentives, as it avoids them having to pay to train people up.
If, on the other hand, you train people up to generate wealth for your company whilst having a good career themselves in the process, yet it doesn't actually give them any sort of marketable qualification, they're more likely to stay working for you?
Response - “what happens if we don’t train our staff and they stay?”
His staff are going to need experience on their CVs before they can move on, thus reducing the risk of the cliché (which is a cliché for a reason!), and avoiding the response.
Yes, I see the cynicism and you might be right there.
Guam said:
I am 59 next birthday and I am not that cynical, firstly I believe that our industry needs better trained personel, secondly I would like to put something back, third if we dont do something for these kids who will? Fourth they could even leave and go work for themselves, they may even compete with me, so what? People helped me along the way, all they expected in return was I do the same. I have done so in my previous existences with other companies. I just feel its time to do a little myself?
Guess that likely makes me naieve by todays standards??
Maybe, but IMHO some naivety of that sort is well needed. Guess that likely makes me naieve by todays standards??
Guam said:
I am 59 next birthday and I am not that cynical, firstly I believe that our industry needs better trained personel, secondly I would like to put something back, third if we dont do something for these kids who will? Fourth they could even leave and go work for themselves, they may even compete with me, so what? People helped me along the way, all they expected in return was I do the same. I have done so in my previous existences with other companies. I just feel its time to do a little myself?
Guess that likely makes me naieve by todays standards??
Nothing to add to the thread beyond fair play Guess that likely makes me naieve by todays standards??
cant you just set something up yourself?
Pay the kids minimum wage, expand your standard employment contract to include some additional clauses that reflect the behaviour and professionalism you expect and what 'extras' you will provide them.
You'd need a robust interview strategy too I would think. Possibly aptitude test, myer-briggs etc just to get a feel for the candidates mindset.
Pay the kids minimum wage, expand your standard employment contract to include some additional clauses that reflect the behaviour and professionalism you expect and what 'extras' you will provide them.
You'd need a robust interview strategy too I would think. Possibly aptitude test, myer-briggs etc just to get a feel for the candidates mindset.
Guam said:
Kermit power said:
Precisely, but the OP seems to be in the best possible position. He gets to train his staff, which means they add value to his business, but it doesn't result in an immediate, transferable qualification.
His staff are going to need experience on their CVs before they can move on, thus reducing the risk of the cliché (which is a cliché for a reason!), and avoiding the response.
I am 59 next birthday and I am not that cynical, firstly I believe that our industry needs better trained personel, secondly I would like to put something back, third if we dont do something for these kids who will? Fourth they could even leave and go work for themselves, they may even compete with me, so what? People helped me along the way, all they expected in return was I do the same. I have done so in my previous existences with other companies. I just feel its time to do a little myself?His staff are going to need experience on their CVs before they can move on, thus reducing the risk of the cliché (which is a cliché for a reason!), and avoiding the response.
Guess that likely makes me naieve by todays standards??
If you're giving young people good training and then a job with a fair wage in which to use that training, haven't you done your bit? Does giving them an official qualification actually matter?
I have O levels, A levels and a degree, but beyond getting my first job (which you're giving these kids anyway), they've all been irrelevant when compared to work experience and the ability to point to achievement against targets on an ongoing basis.
If not being able to offer a formal apprenticeship programme actually impacts on your ability to provide people with the training and support you'd like to provide them with, then I can fully understand your frustration, but if it's just because you feel you should be giving them an official qualification, I'd argue you're already giving them what they actually need but also ensuring that they'll need to keep working for you for a while to gain the experience to take their learning elsewhere.
Hopefully the guys you train will want to keep working for you anyway, but it's not a bad thing to be in that position, surely? I don't think it's about naivety so much as recognising that nobody has bottomless pockets, so there's only so many people you could train up and then lose before you can't do it any more.
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