National DNA database
Discussion
tangerine_sedge said:
The reason why I don't want a national DNA database is simple. I don't trust the government - here's why...
(1) Civil servants are generally incompetent. I wouldn't trust one to tie their own shoelaces, never mind keep my DNA data safe and secure.
(2) How long until the government sells the data to big business.
(3) The government already knows too much about me.
(4) It's my DNA, I'll choose where (and in whom) I deposit it.
(5) profit???
(6) I have no intention of being woken up at 4am by a crack unit of the SAS, just because my DNA somehow got transferred to a scene of crime by accident.
(7) or, just because my DNA is similar to some terrorist.
(8) or, just because the query/data matching algorithm was contracted to the lowest bidder and is therefore borked.
(9) I also don't want my health/life insurance terminated by my insurer after they do number (2) above.
There is not one single useful purpose for a massive DNA database other than to trawl for medical purposes or getting a hit list of potential criminals. Both of which can be done by having smaller targetted databases.
The government that introduces this, is the one that ends up barricading itself into Downing street whilst massed ranks of villagers with burning torches start gathering...
...you might guess, I am opposed to this!
Excellent well done particularly line 1(1) Civil servants are generally incompetent. I wouldn't trust one to tie their own shoelaces, never mind keep my DNA data safe and secure.
(2) How long until the government sells the data to big business.
(3) The government already knows too much about me.
(4) It's my DNA, I'll choose where (and in whom) I deposit it.
(5) profit???
(6) I have no intention of being woken up at 4am by a crack unit of the SAS, just because my DNA somehow got transferred to a scene of crime by accident.
(7) or, just because my DNA is similar to some terrorist.
(8) or, just because the query/data matching algorithm was contracted to the lowest bidder and is therefore borked.
(9) I also don't want my health/life insurance terminated by my insurer after they do number (2) above.
There is not one single useful purpose for a massive DNA database other than to trawl for medical purposes or getting a hit list of potential criminals. Both of which can be done by having smaller targetted databases.
The government that introduces this, is the one that ends up barricading itself into Downing street whilst massed ranks of villagers with burning torches start gathering...
...you might guess, I am opposed to this!
The Tangerine fella sums it all up quite nicely. I'm not comfortable with the government having my email address, so DNA doesn't sit well either.
And as far as the "future governments" argument goes, I was born in a country which required a full fingerprint set from all citizens. That same government is long since gone and replaced with one which sets new lows in political incompetency. So this sort of thing can and does happen.
And as far as the "future governments" argument goes, I was born in a country which required a full fingerprint set from all citizens. That same government is long since gone and replaced with one which sets new lows in political incompetency. So this sort of thing can and does happen.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211365/Ad...
http://www.economist.com/node/15949089
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4284335.stm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-514539/Unm...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270120/My...
Because systems and procedures, like people, can go wrong.
Look at Adam Scott, 5 months incarceration on the strength of DNA alone.
'The DNA says he's guilty so he must be right?'
Because everything that appears on an electronic display or on a computer screen must be correct.
Why trouble yourself with using your brain when you can just look at a screen? Much easier aint it?
http://www.economist.com/node/15949089
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4284335.stm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-514539/Unm...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270120/My...
Because systems and procedures, like people, can go wrong.
Look at Adam Scott, 5 months incarceration on the strength of DNA alone.
'The DNA says he's guilty so he must be right?'
Because everything that appears on an electronic display or on a computer screen must be correct.
Why trouble yourself with using your brain when you can just look at a screen? Much easier aint it?
Because governments only have our best interests at heart and wouldn't do anything unethical or illegal would they?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_exp...
I am not sure how that compares with NHS 'Trusts', good one that, cooking their stats and mortality rates?
'It's OK we grew the mortality figures, but look, it's OK we used the Liverpool Care Pathway so it's all alright and anyway nobody ever gets convicted or sent down for killing NHS patients do they? I mean it's not as though they're BUPA patients is it......
'And that young lad, the one that called up the police as he was dehydrating to death as nobody gave him any water, we'll as those police officers got to the door of the ward we can blame them and say it was that excited delerium that killed him, not us not giving him any water for days.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_exp...
I am not sure how that compares with NHS 'Trusts', good one that, cooking their stats and mortality rates?
'It's OK we grew the mortality figures, but look, it's OK we used the Liverpool Care Pathway so it's all alright and anyway nobody ever gets convicted or sent down for killing NHS patients do they? I mean it's not as though they're BUPA patients is it......
'And that young lad, the one that called up the police as he was dehydrating to death as nobody gave him any water, we'll as those police officers got to the door of the ward we can blame them and say it was that excited delerium that killed him, not us not giving him any water for days.....
Edited by carinaman on Saturday 2nd March 05:48
tangerine_sedge said:
The reason why I don't want a national DNA database is simple. I don't trust the government - here's why...
(1) Civil servants are generally incompetent. I wouldn't trust one to tie their own shoelaces, never mind keep my DNA data safe and secure.
(2) How long until the government sells the data to big business.
(3) The government already knows too much about me.
(4) It's my DNA, I'll choose where (and in whom) I deposit it.
(5) profit???
(6) I have no intention of being woken up at 4am by a crack unit of the SAS, just because my DNA somehow got transferred to a scene of crime by accident.
(7) or, just because my DNA is similar to some terrorist.
(8) or, just because the query/data matching algorithm was contracted to the lowest bidder and is therefore borked.
(9) I also don't want my health/life insurance terminated by my insurer after they do number (2) above.
There is not one single useful purpose for a massive DNA database other than to trawl for medical purposes or getting a hit list of potential criminals. Both of which can be done by having smaller targetted databases.
The government that introduces this, is the one that ends up barricading itself into Downing street whilst massed ranks of villagers with burning torches start gathering...
...you might guess, I am opposed to this!
(2) and (9):(1) Civil servants are generally incompetent. I wouldn't trust one to tie their own shoelaces, never mind keep my DNA data safe and secure.
(2) How long until the government sells the data to big business.
(3) The government already knows too much about me.
(4) It's my DNA, I'll choose where (and in whom) I deposit it.
(5) profit???
(6) I have no intention of being woken up at 4am by a crack unit of the SAS, just because my DNA somehow got transferred to a scene of crime by accident.
(7) or, just because my DNA is similar to some terrorist.
(8) or, just because the query/data matching algorithm was contracted to the lowest bidder and is therefore borked.
(9) I also don't want my health/life insurance terminated by my insurer after they do number (2) above.
There is not one single useful purpose for a massive DNA database other than to trawl for medical purposes or getting a hit list of potential criminals. Both of which can be done by having smaller targetted databases.
The government that introduces this, is the one that ends up barricading itself into Downing street whilst massed ranks of villagers with burning torches start gathering...
...you might guess, I am opposed to this!
http://www.4liberty.org.uk/2013/01/31/your-medical...
What value is there in data or information if you don't use it?
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