Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
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The Next Energy Revolution Has Started Today
Japan First To Extract Natural Gas From Offshore Methane Hydrate
Rapidly advancing technologies are opening up astonishing sources of oil and gas all over the world. We are entering a new era of fossil fuels that is reshaping global economics and politics — and the planet.
Vince Beiser, Pacific Standard Magazine, 01 March 2013
Japan has become the first country to extract natural gas from methane hydrate under the seabed, opening up a potential source of domestic fuel for the resource-poor nation. Gas was obtained from a layer 330 meters below a 1,000-meter-deep floor of the Pacific Ocean on March 12, the industry ministry said. It plans to extract thousands to tens of thousands of cubic meters of gas over the coming two weeks or so. The seas around Japan are estimated to hold enough methane hydrate to produce as much natural gas as Japan consumes in 100 years.
Mari Fujisaki, Asahi Shimbun, 12 March 2013
Japan First To Extract Natural Gas From Offshore Methane Hydrate
Rapidly advancing technologies are opening up astonishing sources of oil and gas all over the world. We are entering a new era of fossil fuels that is reshaping global economics and politics — and the planet.
Vince Beiser, Pacific Standard Magazine, 01 March 2013
Japan has become the first country to extract natural gas from methane hydrate under the seabed, opening up a potential source of domestic fuel for the resource-poor nation. Gas was obtained from a layer 330 meters below a 1,000-meter-deep floor of the Pacific Ocean on March 12, the industry ministry said. It plans to extract thousands to tens of thousands of cubic meters of gas over the coming two weeks or so. The seas around Japan are estimated to hold enough methane hydrate to produce as much natural gas as Japan consumes in 100 years.
Mari Fujisaki, Asahi Shimbun, 12 March 2013
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/12/agw-proponen...
AGW Proponents Fight Rearguard Action it says here ^^.
AGW Proponents Fight Rearguard Action it says here ^^.
kerplunk said:
McWigglebum4th said:
kerplunk said:
Still struggling with BO's premise - it conjures up a Yes Minister scene...
Sir Humphrey: Minister, fossil fuels are running out and we need to reduce our reliance on them.
Hackett: Good heavens - we'd better inform the public!
Sir Humphrey: Yes minister, but if we told the public fossil fuels are running out there would be uproar - it's too scary.
Hackett: So what DO we tell them?
Sir Humphrey: I suggest telling them that carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels will cause global warming which will lead to increased droughts and floods, challenge agriculture and already stressed eco-systems, and cause the ice caps to melt and inundate coastal cities...
Well you might find it was actually first championed by thatcher as an excuse to bash the coal minersSir Humphrey: Minister, fossil fuels are running out and we need to reduce our reliance on them.
Hackett: Good heavens - we'd better inform the public!
Sir Humphrey: Yes minister, but if we told the public fossil fuels are running out there would be uproar - it's too scary.
Hackett: So what DO we tell them?
Sir Humphrey: I suggest telling them that carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels will cause global warming which will lead to increased droughts and floods, challenge agriculture and already stressed eco-systems, and cause the ice caps to melt and inundate coastal cities...
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/108237
24 years ago
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1587...
hard to tell if it is true or not but either way
Its a lovely thing to tell watermelons that maggie started the ball rolling
McWigglebum4th said:
23 years ago
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/108237
24 years ago
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1587...
hard to tell if it is true or not but either way
Its a lovely thing to tell watermelons that maggie started the ball rolling
oh it's true she championed global warming alright - it was the miners 'meme' I was referring to.http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/108237
24 years ago
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1587...
hard to tell if it is true or not but either way
Its a lovely thing to tell watermelons that maggie started the ball rolling
Christopher Booker thinks she was 'under the spell' of Sir Crispin Tickell for instance.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/chri...
note he also says it's believers in global warming who love touting MT's role so now I'm totally confused about how to feel about it
kerplunk said:
note he also says it's believers in global warming who love touting MT's role so now I'm totally confused about how to feel about it
Let me help you...physicist Hal Lewis upon leaving the American Physical Society in 2010 said:
‘…the global warming scam … has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist.’
HTH...
"Warmist epic ‘Greedy Lying b
ds’ bombs at the box office
Posted on March 12, 2013by Anthony Watts
Earns just $45,000.00 nationwide on opening weekend – film cost $1.5 million to make
GLB earned forty five thousand dollars nationwide, wow. Maybe it had to do with the situation described in this review by Alana Goodman from a showing in Washington D.C. area:
Only a handful of people showed up to a screening of Greedy Lying bds—Craig Rosebraugh’s documentary that aims to expose the global warming denialist-industrial complex—at an Alexandria, Va., theater on Saturday. And none of them seemed to notice one of the documentary’s star villains seated in the audience."
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/12/warmist-epic...
Oh dear - people aren't a stupid as the KP brigade would like to think - $45k for a film that cost $1.5 Million!
Have to chuckle.....
ds’ bombs at the box officePosted on March 12, 2013by Anthony Watts
Earns just $45,000.00 nationwide on opening weekend – film cost $1.5 million to make
GLB earned forty five thousand dollars nationwide, wow. Maybe it had to do with the situation described in this review by Alana Goodman from a showing in Washington D.C. area:
Only a handful of people showed up to a screening of Greedy Lying b
ds—Craig Rosebraugh’s documentary that aims to expose the global warming denialist-industrial complex—at an Alexandria, Va., theater on Saturday. And none of them seemed to notice one of the documentary’s star villains seated in the audience."http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/12/warmist-epic...
Oh dear - people aren't a stupid as the KP brigade would like to think - $45k for a film that cost $1.5 Million!
Have to chuckle.....
chris watton said:
"Warmist epic ‘Greedy Lying bds’ bombs at the box office
Posted on March 12, 2013by Anthony Watts
Earns just $45,000.00 nationwide on opening weekend – film cost $1.5 million to make
GLB earned forty five thousand dollars nationwide, wow. Maybe it had to do with the situation described in this review by Alana Goodman from a showing in Washington D.C. area:
Only a handful of people showed up to a screening of Greedy Lying bds—Craig Rosebraugh’s documentary that aims to expose the global warming denialist-industrial complex—at an Alexandria, Va., theater on Saturday. And none of them seemed to notice one of the documentary’s star villains seated in the audience."
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/12/warmist-epic...
Oh dear - people aren't a stupid as the KP brigade would like to think - $45k for a film that cost $1.5 Million!
Have to chuckle.....
Oh dear...ds’ bombs at the box officePosted on March 12, 2013by Anthony Watts
Earns just $45,000.00 nationwide on opening weekend – film cost $1.5 million to make
GLB earned forty five thousand dollars nationwide, wow. Maybe it had to do with the situation described in this review by Alana Goodman from a showing in Washington D.C. area:
Only a handful of people showed up to a screening of Greedy Lying b
ds—Craig Rosebraugh’s documentary that aims to expose the global warming denialist-industrial complex—at an Alexandria, Va., theater on Saturday. And none of them seemed to notice one of the documentary’s star villains seated in the audience."http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/12/warmist-epic...
Oh dear - people aren't a stupid as the KP brigade would like to think - $45k for a film that cost $1.5 Million!
Have to chuckle.....
Clearly missing that vital ingredient.... the AlGoreRhythm
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/13/climategate-...
Climategate 3.0 has occurred – the password has been released
Climategate 3.0 has occurred – the password has been released
mybrainhurts said:
Clearly missing that vital ingredient.... the AlGoreRhythm
I don't know if he plays an instrument or not, but that would be an awesome name for a Blues Band if he ever decided to start one 
I can see them becoming the next house band on Letterman or Leno or something.
chris watton said:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/13/climategate-...
Climategate 3.0 has occurred – the password has been released
Ooh goody!Climategate 3.0 has occurred – the password has been released
Guam said:
Very interesting, the Email From FOIA is particularly intrigeuing, seems pretty clear he was an insider at some point and as we all believed it was not a "hack".
Wonder if Tallbloke ever got a full apology for having his life interupted by the plod.
Probably not. Meanwhile the usual suspects, with their indequacy laid bare by Climategate 1.0 2.0 and now 3.0 are undoubtedly still whining about nothing. Having coined it from millions of dollars in grants and having basked in momentary influence, it's time for them to go away into the obscurity most deserve. Hopefully this will accelerate their demise while re-affirming Tallbloke and others as blameless. Creditworthy, in fact.Wonder if Tallbloke ever got a full apology for having his life interupted by the plod.
Diderot said:
And a new Pope too.
Not related I'd imagine, unless of course the Vatican is funded by big oil
Not related I'd imagine, unless of course the Vatican is funded by big oil
There'll be 'lots of carbons' in all that white smoke for Jorge Mario Bergoglio (archbishop of Buenos Aires, and will be known as Pope Francis). Bet he has lots of true belief to go with those carbons
Guam said:
Very interesting, the Email From FOIA is particularly intrigeuing, seems pretty clear he was an insider at some point and as we all believed it was not a "hack".
Wonder if Tallbloke ever got a full apology for having his life interupted by the plod.
If that is the case then it may well be a prosecution for wasting police time? If a person knowingly made a statement to the police on this issue I am wondering if we might have a perjury case too?!!? Wonder if Tallbloke ever got a full apology for having his life interupted by the plod.
Well he's definitly not Keith Briffa.
He didst hack RealClimate though so he is 'a hacker' and he only denies being a paid hacker. Unfortunately he doesn't say anything to definitively settle the issue that I can see (nor related wagers on the matter!), and I can see food for insider-theorists in his comments about having some special one-off chance at it, but that could be interpreted many ways.
He didst hack RealClimate though so he is 'a hacker' and he only denies being a paid hacker. Unfortunately he doesn't say anything to definitively settle the issue that I can see (nor related wagers on the matter!), and I can see food for insider-theorists in his comments about having some special one-off chance at it, but that could be interpreted many ways.
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