Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
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Probably.
The Guardian were on the case yesterday.
The Guardian were on the case yesterday.
Article said:
Clean energy will have to at least treble in output and dominate world energy supplies by 2050 in order to avoid catastrophic climate change, a UN report is set to conclude on Sunday.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/apr/12/ipcc-report-world-must-switch-clean-sources-energyAreas with high sun can use solar to good effect: California electric grid sets solar generation record
Mar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
The amount of electricity produced from carbon-free solar facilities connected to the grid reached 4,093 megawatts on Saturday, surpassing the day-earlier record of 3,926 MW, the California Independent System Operator (ISO) said in a statement.
With 5,231 MW, California leads the nation in installed solar generation, including thermal and photovoltaic facilities, according to the Solar Energy Industries Association.
Power generated from solar has more than doubled from June 2012 when the ISO recorded 2,071 MW of peak production, the ISO said.
"This shows that California is making remarkable progress in not only getting new resources approved and connected to the grid, but making meaningful contributions in keeping the lights on as well," Steve Berberich, president the California ISO, said in a statement.
Electricity was being produced by 78 percent of the state's installed solar capacity Saturday, well above the 20 percent of nameplate electric capacity solar plants typically produce on an annual basis, according to the Electric Power Research Institute.
The record solar generation accounted for about 18 percent of the state's 22,700-MW demand on Saturday, the ISO said, with the ability to supply about 3 million homes.
"The milestones illustrate that we are well into a new era when clean, renewable energy is shouldering its share of our electricity needs," Berberich said.
California also has about 5,890 MW of wind generation, second only to Texas which has 11,213 MW in commercial operation.
Mar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
The amount of electricity produced from carbon-free solar facilities connected to the grid reached 4,093 megawatts on Saturday, surpassing the day-earlier record of 3,926 MW, the California Independent System Operator (ISO) said in a statement.
With 5,231 MW, California leads the nation in installed solar generation, including thermal and photovoltaic facilities, according to the Solar Energy Industries Association.
Power generated from solar has more than doubled from June 2012 when the ISO recorded 2,071 MW of peak production, the ISO said.
"This shows that California is making remarkable progress in not only getting new resources approved and connected to the grid, but making meaningful contributions in keeping the lights on as well," Steve Berberich, president the California ISO, said in a statement.
Electricity was being produced by 78 percent of the state's installed solar capacity Saturday, well above the 20 percent of nameplate electric capacity solar plants typically produce on an annual basis, according to the Electric Power Research Institute.
The record solar generation accounted for about 18 percent of the state's 22,700-MW demand on Saturday, the ISO said, with the ability to supply about 3 million homes.
"The milestones illustrate that we are well into a new era when clean, renewable energy is shouldering its share of our electricity needs," Berberich said.
California also has about 5,890 MW of wind generation, second only to Texas which has 11,213 MW in commercial operation.
NicD said:
Areas with high sun can use solar to good effect: California electric grid sets solar generation record
Mar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
You have to wonder if the Federal Investment Tax Credit for Commercial Solar Energy Property and the MACRS Accelerated Depreciation asset scheme (plus similar handouts) had anything to do with that. Apparently there are 91 solar & wind energy incentives and rebates in California. Pumping taxpayer dollars into such schemes is basically spending other people's money on the back of a myth to create a costly and pointless record. Mar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
Set to be announced - in Germany:
"A UN report on climate change is expected to call for a trebling of the planet's use of renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power."
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-270074...
"A UN report on climate change is expected to call for a trebling of the planet's use of renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power."
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-270074...
jshell said:
Set to be announced - in Germany:
"A UN report on climate change is expected to call for a trebling of the planet's use of renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power."
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-270074...
If Pachauri pays for the subsidies with royalties from his softporn bodice ripper group sex novel that would be a refreshing change. Trouble is, it's selling about as badly as his climate myths."A UN report on climate change is expected to call for a trebling of the planet's use of renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power."
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-270074...
turbobloke said:
jshell said:
Set to be announced - in Germany:
"A UN report on climate change is expected to call for a trebling of the planet's use of renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power."
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-270074...
If Pachauri pays for the subsidies with royalties from his softporn bodice ripper group sex novel that would be a refreshing change. Trouble is, it's selling about as badly as his climate myths."A UN report on climate change is expected to call for a trebling of the planet's use of renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power."
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-270074...
turbobloke said:
NicD said:
Areas with high sun can use solar to good effect: California electric grid sets solar generation record
Mar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
You have to wonder if the Federal Investment Tax Credit for Commercial Solar Energy Property and the MACRS Accelerated Depreciation asset scheme (plus similar handouts) had anything to do with that. Apparently there are 91 solar & wind energy incentives and rebates in California. Pumping taxpayer dollars into such schemes is basically spending other people's money on the back of a myth to create a costly and pointless record. Mar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
Also solar do not work as well when they get hot, photovoltaic cells efficiency drops off with increase in temperature,and this is without the nasty chemicals used in their production, but I suppose that doesn't matter as most are made in China now.
Calculators at the ready 
and for any politicians reading this, that's the thing you use to add up your expenses.
Climate Evangelists Have Gone Insane by Rosco Mac
http://iceagenow.info/2014/04/climate-evangelists-...
First comment, from Argiris Diamantis:
and for any politicians reading this, that's the thing you use to add up your expenses.Climate Evangelists Have Gone Insane by Rosco Mac
http://iceagenow.info/2014/04/climate-evangelists-...
First comment, from Argiris Diamantis:
Joseph Goebbels said:
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
XJ Flyer said:
I'd suggest that the reality of the choice,between the very real risks and implications of nuclear power,as opposed to the unjustifiable idea of CO2 being seen as a threat to life,is what the German government is really trying to deal with.Seemingly and cleverly in a way which keeps the anti CO2 taliban type religion on the wrong foot by just appeasing them while in reality ignoring them.
Hence the ( correct ) approach of ditching the idea of nuclear being seen as a credible source of power generation,while putting on a show of going for the solar alternative in a northern European country not known for strong year round sun input.While at the same time just getting on with the proven idea of a coal fired economy.Which just leaves the next stage in going publicly all out for a global warmist sceptic energy policy based on the simple choice between the very real dangers of nuclear.As opposed to the non existent falsified 'issues' of a life giving gas known as CO2.Those 'issues' concerning CO2 being based on nothing more than a type of religious belief in a pack of lies based on global warmist hysteria and propaganda.Which just leaves the question of removing that same hysteria and propaganda from the UK government together with Germany's.Which obviously means the LabLibDemCon anti CO2 global warmist establishment which we've been lumbered with so far is no longer fit for purpose.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpzaQPKC54
What very real risks are there with Nuclear? I assume you're judging Nuclear on old 1950's technology that was made in a Bankrupt, post war, cold war era country and drawn on bits of paper in total secrecy with absolutely no regard for decommissioning and not the modern Nuclear of today design on computers in an open style where designs & lesson learnt have been shared with other vastly experienced experts all around the world?Hence the ( correct ) approach of ditching the idea of nuclear being seen as a credible source of power generation,while putting on a show of going for the solar alternative in a northern European country not known for strong year round sun input.While at the same time just getting on with the proven idea of a coal fired economy.Which just leaves the next stage in going publicly all out for a global warmist sceptic energy policy based on the simple choice between the very real dangers of nuclear.As opposed to the non existent falsified 'issues' of a life giving gas known as CO2.Those 'issues' concerning CO2 being based on nothing more than a type of religious belief in a pack of lies based on global warmist hysteria and propaganda.Which just leaves the question of removing that same hysteria and propaganda from the UK government together with Germany's.Which obviously means the LabLibDemCon anti CO2 global warmist establishment which we've been lumbered with so far is no longer fit for purpose.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpzaQPKC54
You might as well compare the safety of the 1920's Bentley boys to the current Redbull F1 team as the differences in technology between the old Nuclear we have in the UK and the Fukushima/3MI/ Chonobyl incidents and what we could have in Hinkley Point are equally massive. It's attitudes like yours, made on mis-information and fear that have driven the Politicians and given lobbyists the support they need to make Nuclear so unattractive and difficult it has become absurdly expensive. If we could cut through the b
ks we could have a few nukes pumping out cheap electricity and we could all have more money in our pockets, instead we're lining the pockets of Windfarm millionaires. I bet China will make 20 Nuclear power stations for the cost of 1 in the UK, and the designs will be near identical.
NicD said:
Areas with high sun can use solar to good effect: California electric grid sets solar generation record
Mar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
The amount of electricity produced from carbon-free solar facilities connected to the grid reached 4,093 megawatts on Saturday, surpassing the day-earlier record of 3,926 MW, the California Independent System Operator (ISO) said in a statement.
With 5,231 MW, California leads the nation in installed solar generation, including thermal and photovoltaic facilities, according to the Solar Energy Industries Association.
Power generated from solar has more than doubled from June 2012 when the ISO recorded 2,071 MW of peak production, the ISO said.
"This shows that California is making remarkable progress in not only getting new resources approved and connected to the grid, but making meaningful contributions in keeping the lights on as well," Steve Berberich, president the California ISO, said in a statement.
Electricity was being produced by 78 percent of the state's installed solar capacity Saturday, well above the 20 percent of nameplate electric capacity solar plants typically produce on an annual basis, according to the Electric Power Research Institute.
The record solar generation accounted for about 18 percent of the state's 22,700-MW demand on Saturday, the ISO said, with the ability to supply about 3 million homes.
"The milestones illustrate that we are well into a new era when clean, renewable energy is shouldering its share of our electricity needs," Berberich said.
California also has about 5,890 MW of wind generation, second only to Texas which has 11,213 MW in commercial operation.
NicMar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
The amount of electricity produced from carbon-free solar facilities connected to the grid reached 4,093 megawatts on Saturday, surpassing the day-earlier record of 3,926 MW, the California Independent System Operator (ISO) said in a statement.
With 5,231 MW, California leads the nation in installed solar generation, including thermal and photovoltaic facilities, according to the Solar Energy Industries Association.
Power generated from solar has more than doubled from June 2012 when the ISO recorded 2,071 MW of peak production, the ISO said.
"This shows that California is making remarkable progress in not only getting new resources approved and connected to the grid, but making meaningful contributions in keeping the lights on as well," Steve Berberich, president the California ISO, said in a statement.
Electricity was being produced by 78 percent of the state's installed solar capacity Saturday, well above the 20 percent of nameplate electric capacity solar plants typically produce on an annual basis, according to the Electric Power Research Institute.
The record solar generation accounted for about 18 percent of the state's 22,700-MW demand on Saturday, the ISO said, with the ability to supply about 3 million homes.
"The milestones illustrate that we are well into a new era when clean, renewable energy is shouldering its share of our electricity needs," Berberich said.
California also has about 5,890 MW of wind generation, second only to Texas which has 11,213 MW in commercial operation.
MW is an instantaneous unit, so how long did the generation stay at that peak figure?
30 seconds?
How many MW-hours did it produce on that day?
I suspect NONE at night, when all those Californians come out to play.
The figures you quote in the way quoted, are meaningless and expressly designed to impress the uniformed.
SkepticSteve said:
NicD said:
Areas with high sun can use solar to good effect: California electric grid sets solar generation record
Mar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
The amount of electricity produced from carbon-free solar facilities connected to the grid reached 4,093 megawatts on Saturday, surpassing the day-earlier record of 3,926 MW, the California Independent System Operator (ISO) said in a statement.
With 5,231 MW, California leads the nation in installed solar generation, including thermal and photovoltaic facilities, according to the Solar Energy Industries Association.
Power generated from solar has more than doubled from June 2012 when the ISO recorded 2,071 MW of peak production, the ISO said.
"This shows that California is making remarkable progress in not only getting new resources approved and connected to the grid, but making meaningful contributions in keeping the lights on as well," Steve Berberich, president the California ISO, said in a statement.
Electricity was being produced by 78 percent of the state's installed solar capacity Saturday, well above the 20 percent of nameplate electric capacity solar plants typically produce on an annual basis, according to the Electric Power Research Institute.
The record solar generation accounted for about 18 percent of the state's 22,700-MW demand on Saturday, the ISO said, with the ability to supply about 3 million homes.
"The milestones illustrate that we are well into a new era when clean, renewable energy is shouldering its share of our electricity needs," Berberich said.
California also has about 5,890 MW of wind generation, second only to Texas which has 11,213 MW in commercial operation.
NicMar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
The amount of electricity produced from carbon-free solar facilities connected to the grid reached 4,093 megawatts on Saturday, surpassing the day-earlier record of 3,926 MW, the California Independent System Operator (ISO) said in a statement.
With 5,231 MW, California leads the nation in installed solar generation, including thermal and photovoltaic facilities, according to the Solar Energy Industries Association.
Power generated from solar has more than doubled from June 2012 when the ISO recorded 2,071 MW of peak production, the ISO said.
"This shows that California is making remarkable progress in not only getting new resources approved and connected to the grid, but making meaningful contributions in keeping the lights on as well," Steve Berberich, president the California ISO, said in a statement.
Electricity was being produced by 78 percent of the state's installed solar capacity Saturday, well above the 20 percent of nameplate electric capacity solar plants typically produce on an annual basis, according to the Electric Power Research Institute.
The record solar generation accounted for about 18 percent of the state's 22,700-MW demand on Saturday, the ISO said, with the ability to supply about 3 million homes.
"The milestones illustrate that we are well into a new era when clean, renewable energy is shouldering its share of our electricity needs," Berberich said.
California also has about 5,890 MW of wind generation, second only to Texas which has 11,213 MW in commercial operation.
MW is an instantaneous unit, so how long did the generation stay at that peak figure?
30 seconds?
How many MW-hours did it produce on that day?
I suspect NONE at night, when all those Californians come out to play.
The figures you quote in the way quoted, are meaningless and expressly designed to impress the uniformed.
The figures quoted were from March, far from greatest sun. They are what they are, nothing more. I am a fan of nuclear btw.
Do you think you are an expert, cos you just sound opinionated.
kingofdbrits said:
XJ Flyer said:
I'd suggest that the reality of the choice,between the very real risks and implications of nuclear power,as opposed to the unjustifiable idea of CO2 being seen as a threat to life,is what the German government is really trying to deal with.Seemingly and cleverly in a way which keeps the anti CO2 taliban type religion on the wrong foot by just appeasing them while in reality ignoring them.
Hence the ( correct ) approach of ditching the idea of nuclear being seen as a credible source of power generation,while putting on a show of going for the solar alternative in a northern European country not known for strong year round sun input.While at the same time just getting on with the proven idea of a coal fired economy.Which just leaves the next stage in going publicly all out for a global warmist sceptic energy policy based on the simple choice between the very real dangers of nuclear.As opposed to the non existent falsified 'issues' of a life giving gas known as CO2.Those 'issues' concerning CO2 being based on nothing more than a type of religious belief in a pack of lies based on global warmist hysteria and propaganda.Which just leaves the question of removing that same hysteria and propaganda from the UK government together with Germany's.Which obviously means the LabLibDemCon anti CO2 global warmist establishment which we've been lumbered with so far is no longer fit for purpose.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpzaQPKC54
What very real risks are there with Nuclear? I assume you're judging Nuclear on old 1950's technology that was made in a Bankrupt, post war, cold war era country and drawn on bits of paper in total secrecy with absolutely no regard for decommissioning and not the modern Nuclear of today design on computers in an open style where designs & lesson learnt have been shared with other vastly experienced experts all around the world?Hence the ( correct ) approach of ditching the idea of nuclear being seen as a credible source of power generation,while putting on a show of going for the solar alternative in a northern European country not known for strong year round sun input.While at the same time just getting on with the proven idea of a coal fired economy.Which just leaves the next stage in going publicly all out for a global warmist sceptic energy policy based on the simple choice between the very real dangers of nuclear.As opposed to the non existent falsified 'issues' of a life giving gas known as CO2.Those 'issues' concerning CO2 being based on nothing more than a type of religious belief in a pack of lies based on global warmist hysteria and propaganda.Which just leaves the question of removing that same hysteria and propaganda from the UK government together with Germany's.Which obviously means the LabLibDemCon anti CO2 global warmist establishment which we've been lumbered with so far is no longer fit for purpose.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpzaQPKC54
You might as well compare the safety of the 1920's Bentley boys to the current Redbull F1 team as the differences in technology between the old Nuclear we have in the UK and the Fukushima/3MI/ Chonobyl incidents and what we could have in Hinkley Point are equally massive. It's attitudes like yours, made on mis-information and fear that have driven the Politicians and given lobbyists the support they need to make Nuclear so unattractive and difficult it has become absurdly expensive. If we could cut through the b
ks we could have a few nukes pumping out cheap electricity and we could all have more money in our pockets, instead we're lining the pockets of Windfarm millionaires. I bet China will make 20 Nuclear power stations for the cost of 1 in the UK, and the designs will be near identical.
As for my argument my case is that CO2 is harmless unlike nuclear materials.Which is why I'm making the case for coal not expensive dangerous nuclear energy 'or' expensive pointless 'renewables'.
NicD said:
SkepticSteve said:
NicD said:
Areas with high sun can use solar to good effect: California electric grid sets solar generation record
Mar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
The amount of electricity produced from carbon-free solar facilities connected to the grid reached 4,093 megawatts on Saturday, surpassing the day-earlier record of 3,926 MW, the California Independent System Operator (ISO) said in a statement.
With 5,231 MW, California leads the nation in installed solar generation, including thermal and photovoltaic facilities, according to the Solar Energy Industries Association.
Power generated from solar has more than doubled from June 2012 when the ISO recorded 2,071 MW of peak production, the ISO said.
"This shows that California is making remarkable progress in not only getting new resources approved and connected to the grid, but making meaningful contributions in keeping the lights on as well," Steve Berberich, president the California ISO, said in a statement.
Electricity was being produced by 78 percent of the state's installed solar capacity Saturday, well above the 20 percent of nameplate electric capacity solar plants typically produce on an annual basis, according to the Electric Power Research Institute.
The record solar generation accounted for about 18 percent of the state's 22,700-MW demand on Saturday, the ISO said, with the ability to supply about 3 million homes.
"The milestones illustrate that we are well into a new era when clean, renewable energy is shouldering its share of our electricity needs," Berberich said.
California also has about 5,890 MW of wind generation, second only to Texas which has 11,213 MW in commercial operation.
NicMar 10, 2014 7:15pm EDT (Reuters) - California set back-to-back solar power records last week, the state grid operator said on Monday.
The amount of electricity produced from carbon-free solar facilities connected to the grid reached 4,093 megawatts on Saturday, surpassing the day-earlier record of 3,926 MW, the California Independent System Operator (ISO) said in a statement.
With 5,231 MW, California leads the nation in installed solar generation, including thermal and photovoltaic facilities, according to the Solar Energy Industries Association.
Power generated from solar has more than doubled from June 2012 when the ISO recorded 2,071 MW of peak production, the ISO said.
"This shows that California is making remarkable progress in not only getting new resources approved and connected to the grid, but making meaningful contributions in keeping the lights on as well," Steve Berberich, president the California ISO, said in a statement.
Electricity was being produced by 78 percent of the state's installed solar capacity Saturday, well above the 20 percent of nameplate electric capacity solar plants typically produce on an annual basis, according to the Electric Power Research Institute.
The record solar generation accounted for about 18 percent of the state's 22,700-MW demand on Saturday, the ISO said, with the ability to supply about 3 million homes.
"The milestones illustrate that we are well into a new era when clean, renewable energy is shouldering its share of our electricity needs," Berberich said.
California also has about 5,890 MW of wind generation, second only to Texas which has 11,213 MW in commercial operation.
MW is an instantaneous unit, so how long did the generation stay at that peak figure?
30 seconds?
How many MW-hours did it produce on that day?
I suspect NONE at night, when all those Californians come out to play.
The figures you quote in the way quoted, are meaningless and expressly designed to impress the uniformed.
The figures quoted were from March, far from greatest sun. They are what they are, nothing more. I am a fan of nuclear btw.
Do you think you are an expert, cos you just sound opinionated.
It typically takes 3.5 years in California to generate the power used to make the panels (7 years in the UK), and then there is all the highly toxic pollution from the chemicals required making land uninhabitable and poisoning crops and people.
How green is that?
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